and Tejas is, and will remain, a point defense jet, without the deep strike and load capacity of Rafale.
Tejas Mk2 is even not a prototyp so far.
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Tejas Mk2 is even not a prototyp so far.
J-35 is not FOC in CHina, so even if you have the money it will take some time before seeing it in PAF.I hope this purchase goes through.
Only then we can expect to see J-35A in the PAF .
Otherwise it's the Mirages all the way
Whether they get J 35 or Not , it doesn't matter for us
Because we will have to follow the Same Script
As previously done
Intense Missile attacks to disable Runways and SAMs
And then Bomb them at will
The Bigger question for China is whether Pakistan will pay for any weapons
Pakistan's economy is seriously Hurting because of this Arms Race
And with a Decaying Economy, the Internal problems get much worse
The Tree is weakening from its Roots ,.we have to just push it over
LoL, PAF 8 F-16 weren't even able to handle 2 Su-30MKI....PAF = Poor
1. PAF mission Swift retort became swift retreat...they failed to achieve their objectives.
2. So their op failed & F-16 got shot down by mig ( vice versa).
Same thing happened in op sindoor PAF got furious backshots by IAF.
Ofcourse IAF need a 5th gen fighter & most probably they will get Su-57 and one more thing can they handle J-35 without any 5th gen ...yes they can handle it but it will become a defensive approach.....That's the difference. Hope you understood what I'm trying to say here.
They jammed our comms. I'm talking about the mig21's here.LoL, PAF 8 F-16 weren't even able to handle 2 Su-30MKI....PAF = Poor
1. PAF mission Swift retort became swift retreat...they failed to achieve their objectives.
2. So their op failed & F-16 got shot down by mig ( vice versa).
Same thing happened in op sindoor PAF got furious backshots by IAF.
Ofcourse IAF need a 5th gen fighter & most probably they will get Su-57 and one more thing can they handle J-35 without any 5th gen ...yes they can handle it but it will become a defensive approach.....That's the difference. Hope you understood what I'm trying to say here.
There was never a reference to failed. The Abhinandan fiasco entirely happened because he lost contact to ground control due to basic jamming.
We can't do an air campaign if we get jammed by not having basic datalinks.
........ India is currently in a massive upgrade path with SDRs appearing on almost every combat fighter. We say this vulnerability and have now acted, but this is not a game where just paying the money would get you the item. It takes time to develop and make it and now we are integrating them onto the su30s, tejas' and the migs.
Mate! You believe too much in Pak propaganda
. We've learned our lessons and we taught them a serious lesson this time around. From 2019 to 2026, our jamming capabilities of all three forces has gone up by leaps and bounds. In fact, Pakistanis are not even in the same ballpark as us.
Mig-21 lost contact to ground control due to many things like jamming + low altitude flying + maneuvers.
You quoted like there is no improvement happened to IAF jets for EW suits , ECM or jamming....in these 7 yrs IAF jets EW capabilities improved a lot and Spectra is one of the best EW suite we have right now. But you were saying like we are still stuck in 2019 wrt EW capabilities.
Quwa is Pakistan forum that actually are very fair in assessment and not bias or right wing like pdf forum..
They had a recent podcast which was so enlightening
Firstly they said the PAF worst nitemare is the Rafale o rder of F.4and F5 fighters explaing the shear size of the Rafale fleet would be impossible to defeat totally and that the Indian air force reducing combat types to three planes ie su30mki Rafale and Tejas some 600plus planes fully networked would be impossible for Pakistan to contend with especially if India gets the Awacs and Additional S400 and Khusa air defense umbrella as well ..
This order would mean Pakistan air power doctrines which right now is air combat dominance would end avd they would resort to long range missle strikes only land and air ...The potential risk and loss of continuation of current combat doctrine would see massive losses due to Tejas Mki and Rafale The reduction In types having less maintenance issues higher availability rates streamlining tactics quick induction over yet another new type would be exactly what Pakistan is fearful of India making smart decisions efficiency driven decisions
They the PAF they claim.want India to buy F35 or Su57 to further complicate Indian logistics and spending money elsewhere unproven semi stealth russian Felons or the sanctions prone F35 rather than buy the battle proven highly improved Rafale ...
But I think India has already made the right decision and will go all.in.with France now for both engines and planes
They had a recent podcast which was so enlightening
Firstly they said the PAF worst nitemare is the Rafale o rder of F.4and F5 fighters explaing the shear size of the Rafale fleet would be impossible to defeat totally and that the Indian air force reducing combat types to three planes ie su30mki Rafale and Tejas some 600plus planes fully networked would be impossible for Pakistan to contend with especially if India gets the Awacs and Additional S400 and Khusa air defense umbrella as well ..
This order would mean Pakistan air power doctrines which right now is air combat dominance would end avd they would resort to long range missle strikes only land and air ...The potential risk and loss of continuation of current combat doctrine would see massive losses due to Tejas Mki and Rafale The reduction In types having less maintenance issues higher availability rates streamlining tactics quick induction over yet another new type would be exactly what Pakistan is fearful of India making smart decisions efficiency driven decisions
They the PAF they claim.want India to buy F35 or Su57 to further complicate Indian logistics and spending money elsewhere unproven semi stealth russian Felons or the sanctions prone F35 rather than buy the battle proven highly improved Rafale ...
But I think India has already made the right decision and will go all.in.with France now for both engines and planes
Pakistan always had upper hand over us when comes to air force in terms of quality flying machine. That don't stop us earning the victory.
J-35 sensor suit is nowhere close to Rafale....... Doesn't matter what *censored* & porkiyē fanboys claim....... Meteor outgun everything in Chinese & American arsenal which can be supplied to porkiyē..... Only thing going in favour of J-35 is low RCS which can help it close the distance negating advantage of long range meteor, S-400 & other AD.......... For all the Chinese shortcomings they have designed a much refined stealthy airframe for their J-35 than Russians on their SU-57 tin can.
Work on AMCA need to speed up, buy F-35 as a stop gap..... there is no other option.
Work on AMCA need to speed up, buy F-35 as a stop gap..... there is no other option.
The Air force is always waiting for the Pakistanis to level up instead of creating an overmatch. Why isn't there push of an indigenous engine. It can be easily done if the IAF wants but they themselves want an amreeki engine instead of pushing for kaveri induction. Kaveri is already a complete product. The IAF wants to do dalaali for amreeki engine and waste time. Might as well buy the f-35 cause they clearly can't do anything apart from drama.
The Chinese pop is in freefall. So while they were previously accepting "brides", they may now be desperate enough to accept brides.Paisa Hai...
I mean will Pakistan Pay Cash Or with KATORA....
To retire rest of the type, it ll be 2040..
Heck even Jaguars will be flying until 2035+
With Mk1A , India will be replacing only Mig 21 until 2032 and more since engines have become bottleneck..
But it ll be wonderful scenario to replace Mig 21, Mig 27 , Jaguar , Mig 29 and mirages with Tejas , Rafale and Su 30 UPG .
Where Tejas and Su 30 UPG can fire every weapon in inventory..
F404 was chosen as the preferred engine by the LCA design team (chasing the 'smallest, lightest, single engine delta wing fighter' BS) back in the 1980s. I'd say it was up to the IAF to specify an alternate engine, given the bitter experience of the 98 Pokhran sanctions.
To be fair, the IAF got involved in the project only after the jet's first flight in 2001. In hindsight, mandating a 2nd engine option wouldn't have affected deliveries of Mk1 birds which eventually started in ~2015.
For an AF which was so paranoid about Western sanctions that it inducted Hawk AJTs only after US origin avionics were replaced by European ones, this was a monumental mistake.
Only by 2045 realistically I am afraid so 19 years from now. If everything goes well.
Everyone talking about S400 Rafales Su57 this and that. Have yall wondered what a Tejas Mk1A armed with Astra Mk2 or Gandiva networked with Netra AWACS can achieve? Let me tell you, something which the porks arent gonna like!!!! And that is well within reach of the next 2-3 years, unlike those other things which will take beyond 2030 to be inducted.
Kaveri isn't a complete product as stated before the afterburner had issues meeting the required thrust, one wrong thing on a Kaveri powered LCA and the entire program will face an 1996 Avro AWACS moment.
They stopped having an edge over us when we inducted MKIs. AIM-120C5 did give them some advantages, but in a straight shoot they would get completely annihilated by IAF.
J-35 sensor suite is better than Rafale. It has GaN based AESA radar(more TRMs as well), EOTS like IRST along with fine tuned stealth being China's 2nd generation 5th gen stealth fighter. Rafale is no longer seen as our tip rather something which supports IAF's falling squadron strength.
Our recent Ops has shaken both IAF and GOI. Both J-10CEs and PL-15s have surprised us. Rafale got hit even when SPECTRA was supposed to give it digital stealth.
Now Su-57MKI has been chosen as our new tip until AMCA MK2 matures and we induct our 6th gen fighter in 2040s.
Some people don't like to accept truth but it's as it is.
In a straight fight, PAF would get completely decimated by IAF. Going for F404 was not an IAF choice. Stop false blaming IAF for all our failures. IAF is the best airforce in this world.
And for the umpteenth time, we have already selected Su-57MKI as our future "tip-of-the-spear" fighter. Mate! Just let go of your F-35 dream. It's not coming.
It's all performative fear mongering. Nobody had the vision to license produce the ge-404 when it was selected. Tejas has been treated like a science project instead of being made the backbone of the IAF.
It was never the tip. It was meant to replace the mirage and jaguars. It was meant to be the A2G specialist.
I respect you bhai but best airforce in the world let's not get ahead of ourselves. We all know the capabilities of unkill, we are nowhere close. It will take decades for IAF to gain the capability to be counted among the two top air powers USAF and PLAAF.