Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

Lolwa said:
We will see. If the Pakistanis can use f-16's on a whim anybody can. The f-35 is connected to their combat cloud that could limit it's capabilities. I will wait till we have some visible evidence of the Amreekis actively limiting any f-35 user nation.
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Dude! The Prime-minister of Finland ain't credible source for you? Fact is no nation can use F-35s without LockMart's activation codes. It's a disaster 'cause it can sniff all our AFNET nodes and pass it to Uncle Sam which could jeopardise our national security. We should avoid F-35 at all costs. Period.
 
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Dude! The Prime-minister of Finland ain't credible source for you? Fact is no nation can use F-35s without LockMart's activation codes. It's a disaster 'cause it can sniff all our AFNET nodes and pass it to Uncle Sam which could jeopardise our national security. We should avoid F-35 at all costs. Period.
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I'm all for avoiding the f-35 but thanks to our neighbour in the North it will become a necessary evil.
The AMCA ain't coming anytime soon. And unless we completely mki the su-57 the f-35 will always be an option.
And be very sure Uncle Sam will make it a priority to shove it down our throats through geopolitical meddling and deep state drama.
The j-20's, j-36 and j-50 will be carrying pl-17's and pl-21 which will all have engagement ranges of 400 km+ engagement. How are we supposed to deal with them with inferior stealth and data fusion?
The su-57 with the r-37 could takeout j-20's but until we don't have something like a gandiv with assisted targeting by Netras and Sats it's not possible.
 
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Lolwa said:
I'm all for avoiding the f-35 but thanks to our neighbour in the North it will become a necessary evil.
The AMCA ain't coming anytime soon. And unless we completely mki the su-57 the f-35 will always be an option.
And be very sure Uncle Sam will make it a priority to shove it down our throats through geopolitical meddling and deep state drama.
The j-20's, j-36 and j-50 will be carrying pl-17's and pl-21 which will all have engagement ranges of 400 km+ engagement. How are we supposed to deal with them with inferior stealth and data fusion?
The su-57 with the r-37 could takeout j-20's but until we don't have something like a gandiv with assisted targeting by Netras and Sats it's not possible.
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That's why we're procuring Su-57 in both 'I' and 'MKI' variants. F-35 is a no go. Period.
 

Denmark head of the parliament's defence committee recommand canada not to choose F-35​

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Denmark worries U.S. could ground F-35 fleet​


At least one nation is regretting its purchase of F-35s. Denmark has been embroiled in a dispute with the Trump administration over the president’s push to own Greenland. The small European country even deployed those jets to the Arctic island over the threats.

Rasmus Jarlov, head of the Danish parliament's defence committee, has described "second thoughts" over the order, but says the country has little choice now that it is their only operational fighter aircraft.

Jarlov has a message for Canada: "choose another fighter jet."

A campaign poster is seen affixed to a pole.

A campaign poster for Rasmus Jarlov is seen in Copenhagen in September 2011. (Jonathan Nackstrand/AFP/Getty Images)
"They're in for repairs about half the time or even more," he said, "so the Americans have all the power of actually destroying our air force just by shutting down [parts] supplies."
 
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Do you remember France betraying its Argentine customer over the Exocet? Giving date to counter it to the UK, and not delivering sales orders
The same will happen with the Rafale if push comes to shove

Like all manufacturing nations, The US has veto power over its weapon systems, don't like it, don't buy it
 
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Optimist said:
So you aren't refuting that I have never said that India should get the f-35 and in fact the opposite
Do you find it hard to admit when you're wrong?
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He wasn't wrong, it's just you who didn't understand the "you" properly. You need a bit of subtlety to speak here, and you take everything literally. We speak on a 12th level, but you have to be from a very ancient civilization to speak on a 12th level.
 
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Optimist said:
Do you remember France betraying its Argentine customer over the Exocet? Giving date to counter it to the UK, and not delivering sales orders
The same will happen with the Rafale if push comes to shove

Like all manufacturing nations, The US has veto power over its weapon systems, don't like it, don't buy it
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If you are fighting a NATO country, by being a NATO country France is obliged to do that.
 
Hydra said:
If you are fighting a NATO country, by being a NATO country France is obliged to do that.
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Uk didn't invoke article 5 over Argentina, but you are missing the main point,,,ALL manufacturing Countries say how their weapon systems can be used, France is no different to the US in this way

You will note that the Pakistan's F-16 didn't attack India this time, The US has a veto on Pakistan for its use to attack India, The situation would have to have US approval to use it in an attack on India and override existing EUM

"The United States imposes strict restrictions on Pakistan's use of its F-16 fighter jets through End-Use Monitoring (EUM) agreements, which function as a form of control or "veto" over how and where the aircraft can be deployed. These agreements ensure the jets are primarily used for counter-insurgency and counterterrorism operations rather than in conventional conflicts against neighbors like India. "
 
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Optimist said:
Uk didn't invoke article 5 over Argentina, but you are missing the main point,,,ALL manufacturing Countries say how their weapon systems can be used, France is no different to the US in this way

You will note that the Pakistan's F-16 didn't attack India this time, The US has a veto on Pakistan for its use to attack India, The situation would have to have US approval to use it in an attack on India and override existing EUM

"The United States imposes strict restrictions on Pakistan's use of its F-16 fighter jets through End-Use Monitoring (EUM) agreements, which function as a form of control or "veto" over how and where the aircraft can be deployed. These agreements ensure the jets are primarily used for counter-insurgency and counterterrorism operations rather than in conventional conflicts against neighbors like India. "
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Whats your point exactly? No one's saying that origin nation doesn't have any understanding with end users on the use of their products.

Its just that, other than USA whose interests are spread all over the globe... Most of the other nations have their interests in select region or neighborhood. Hence, origin nation and end user nation have fewer conflict of interest in use of their platforms.

That's why French become better option for India. But not necessarily for a NATO nation who has conflict with another NATO nation messing up with french interest. Similarly, US F-35 have become a vulnerability for many European nations wrt Greenland.

And given the history and recent situation, it's not an option for India either. Simple.
 
Optimist said:
Uk didn't invoke article 5 over Argentina, but you are missing the main point,,,ALL manufacturing Countries say how their weapon systems can be used, France is no different to the US in this way

You will note that the Pakistan's F-16 didn't attack India this time, The US has a veto on Pakistan for its use to attack India, The situation would have to have US approval to use it in an attack on India and override existing EUM

"The United States imposes strict restrictions on Pakistan's use of its F-16 fighter jets through End-Use Monitoring (EUM) agreements, which function as a form of control or "veto" over how and where the aircraft can be deployed. These agreements ensure the jets are primarily used for counter-insurgency and counterterrorism operations rather than in conventional conflicts against neighbors like India. "
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This EUM agreement bw USA & Pak wrt F-16 is a lollipop for others. Pakistan used F-16 in 2019 & may 2025 too and both time they got shot down.
Do you think Pakistan use F-16 on their own people's for counterterrorism ?..LOL.. Pakistan is hub of terrorism and they use F-16 to support terrorist operations.
Btw if you think logically usa gave F-16 to Pakistan for specifically use them against India & now providing upgrades as their sugar daddy. 💰💰
 
Professor∆Baaz said:
This EUM agreement bw USA & Pak wrt F-16 is a lollipop for others. Pakistan used F-16 in 2019 & may 2025 too and both time they got shot down.
Do you think Pakistan use F-16 on their own people's for counterterrorism ?..LOL.. Pakistan is hub of terrorism and they use F-16 to support terrorist operations.
Btw if you think logically usa gave F-16 to Pakistan for specifically use them against India & now providing upgrades as their sugar daddy. 💰💰
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Back to school professor, after 2019 was when the US imposed the stricter end use and there are no reports of the F-16 attacking India with f-16 in 2025, The US would have to over-ride its end use agreement for any given situation
 
Lolwa said:
We will see. If the Pakistanis can use f-16's on a whim anybody can. The f-35 is connected to their combat cloud that could limit it's capabilities. I will wait till we have some visible evidence of the Amreekis actively limiting any f-35 user nation.
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A frind of mine, whose son works in the Dassault purchase service explain me some weeks ago that Dassault knows that F-35 has to be connected to ODIN every 24 or 48 hours (I don't remember if he said 24 or 48. sorry). If not it can't fly.
 
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Bon Plan said:
A frind of mine, whose son works in the Dassault purchase service explain me some weeks ago that Dassault knows that F-35 has to be connected to ODIN every 24 or 48 hours (I don't remember if he said 24 or 48. sorry). If not it can't fly.
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If ever I have a Question about the F-35, I always ask a Dassault employee for secret information 😂
Unless you have a link?
I think ODIN is optional to connect to the network, Isn't there a Euro buyer who wants to keep it separate? There are advantages to connect
 
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