As Shan and Speedster have already said, this is a multi-country info war being waged. It doesn't remain limited to defense, it leads to racism. HAL clearly thinks exports are the way to go. Few days ago, they published a tender seeking bids for collaborative marketing in African Latin American and South East Asian Regions. Link to my post:
LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
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This Pakistani propaganda probably to nip the barter trade talks with Brazil.
Very likely. Brazil has sold MAR-1 anti- radiation missiles to Pak in the past so there could be some kind of a barter component to the proposed JF-17 deal.
May - Sindhoor happened..
Not sure how many Jf 17 shot down, if we have pics or videos of Jf17 debris will be good to give them back..
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A friend of mine who had been looking into this when I had approached him sent the following back to me:
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You have identified a classic instance of "Circular Reporting" (or the "Echo Chamber" effect).
After digging into Armenian-language sources and official government channels, I can confirm your suspicion: There is no public record of an official Armenian statement suspending the deal.
This story is likely shaky, and the "news" was manufactured.
I performed a targeted search of official Armenian government channels (SM included) and local media. I found nothing regarding such a deal being cancelled.
I searched the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia and the state news agency Armenpress.
I found this loop that might interest you:
Israel (JPost): Reports "Armenia announced suspension" (no clear sources) > Armenia (Local Media): Reports "Tejas deal suspended..." (citing JPost). > Global Media: Reports "Armenia suspends deal" (citing 'reports' from both).
This creates the mirage of verification. There is no local footprint in Armenian language for now.
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A friend of mine who had been looking into this when I had approached him sent the following back to me:
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You have identified a classic instance of "Circular Reporting" (or the "Echo Chamber" effect).
After digging into Armenian-language sources and official government channels, I can confirm your suspicion: There is no public record of an official Armenian statement suspending the deal.
This story is likely shaky, and the "news" was manufactured.
I performed a targeted search of official Armenian government channels (SM included) and local media. I found nothing regarding such a deal being cancelled.
I searched the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia and the state news agency Armenpress.
I found this loop that might interest you:
Israel (JPost): Reports "Armenia announced suspension" (no clear sources) > Armenia (Local Media): Reports "Tejas deal suspended..." (citing JPost). > Global Media: Reports "Armenia suspends deal" (citing 'reports' from both).
This creates the mirage of verification. There is no local footprint in Armenian language for now.
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I am immigrating to Azerbaijan.
If women are that beautiful.
Here is UK its ugliness everywhere
Except Brahmos and some guided bombs which A2G weapons we have in production? Rudrams not in production neither is Brahmos NG anywhere to be seen. Same story in A2A weapons, we are barely producing 50 Astra Mk1s, Astra Mk2s still in testing. Which indigenous AAM can we realistically export with this level of production? Realistically India doesn't have much in the aerospace domain to export at all except ballistic and subsonic missiles, and even then Pralay, LRLACM are not even in production!!!!
So when we dont even have much to offer, what use is this slandering? Nothing. First we should produce all of the above which I mentioned in decent quantities, equip them with our forces and THEN export. Right now we are literalt worried about what others are saying about almost vapour ware stuff
. Realistically other than Brahmos and some other ground forces related stuff, we wont export any big aerospace items for the next half a decade at least.I understand your perspective. However, I will have to disagree. I have seen unrelated products earning ridicule and being speculated upon post such articles. So, I think it is worth trying to understand and counter such plants in the news.Except Brahmos and some guided bombs which A2G weapons we have in production? Rudrams not in production neither is Brahmos NG anywhere to be seen. Same story in A2A weapons, we are barely producing 50 Astra Mk1s, Astra Mk2s still in testing. Which indigenous AAM can we realistically export with this level of production? Realistically India doesn't have much in the aerospace domain to export at all except ballistic and subsonic missiles, and even then Pralay, LRLACM are not even in production!!!!
So when we dont even have much to offer, what use is this slandering? Nothing. First we should produce all of the above which I mentioned in decent quantities, equip them with our forces and THEN export. Right now we are literalt worried about what others are saying about almost vapour ware stuff
Shan, do you know that this issue is going to be a big threat for media credibility and the target of propaganda machine.
To find out ... Have a Convo with ChatGpt, X, Gemini or any similar models. Just ask them for analysis on any topic. They will cite these sources as "credible". Push them further. Ask them for only unbiased and credible sources with no historical bias. They will filter it out and use BBC, WP, Ruetuers, Aljazeera as credible sources. Ask them why are they credible. They will cite history of them doing some investigation 30 years ago. Present Aljazeera as.. they claim themselves as independent media with one source of funding from Qatar. And many dubious reason for others.
Ask them to follow the sources chain, to verify the credibility from official data and official sources only. No opeds. Only facts. The pieces will start crumbling. Another matter is the abhramic lens with which it analyses anything related to spiritual and religious context. It doesn't look into history and context. Only headlines and prominent articles of books. They would view a pluralist sanaan from abhramic view. Theres also a reverse bias, that they don't ever get critical of islam. They will sidestep it, frame it as if a leftist is talking.
But the glaring problem here is... That these foreign models are trained to consider a set of media companies as credible and authentic, no matter the actual truth of the matter. Imagine them being the first source of news for billions of people worldwide. Atleast on Google, you could scroll for articles. Here, it gives you an analysis as a judgement which many won't counter to prove authenticity.
.Chinese dodged a bullet.
India needs its own LLM. And not current LLMs which are finetuned on foreign models.
But right from the very foundational model and its core training data. Which reflects our values of plurality and our side of history, context and then frame its world accordingly.
I will share the list of several types of bias with actual Convo as proof. I did a bias audit few months ago. It's dire.
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We should do Invite Brazil for Air exercise ,
We can assess C390, Gripen E/F and also perform Tejas vs Gripen & Netra awacs for them..
Its 2026 now(obviously after 30 days). How come Uttam will be in production now if the induction is for 2028?
assuming the first 40 aircraft come with the ELM2052 it makes sense.
i think we will have made 13-15 by the end of this year.
20 next year
and another 20-24 the year after. ofc we would only have inducted about 40-50 by 2027. so 2028 start makes sense if we realise the fact that the radars will start being installed on the 2027 made mk1as
