Should be around USD 250-300 million.
We can use the same FTB for testing TFs & TPs.
Used ones are very cheap. Costing around $20 million.
Would this used engine bed get the needed insurance cover without extra collateral? and OEM permission for the needed modification? Might even cost a pretty penny to modify also, ie not sure the meager project capital allocation can cover those expenditure. This is one policy change I would like to see. Like they sanction heavy money for strategic system testing each year or 2 years, this should be considered a strategic system level project.
Agree. FTB is not just about fitting the engine onto the plane's wings; it functions as an engine monitoring lab in the air. You also need to have all the proper wiring and software onboard to monitor the test parameters of the engine while the plane is flying...to differentiate the performance changes that occur when air pressure, air flow, temperature, altitude, etc., change. It will be more convenient to go through a consultant to get this thing done. We should open a tender for the same to see what the response is.
As per AI Search - Aircraft Engine Performance check on FTB
When a new engine is mounted on a test bed aircraft (like a Boeing 747), engineers verify its performance parameters across the operational flight envelope:
Thrust and Fuel Efficiency: Measuring actual thrust output, fuel burn rate, and overall performance at various speeds, altitudes, and temperatures.
Contingency Operations: Testing the engine's ability to handle rapid throttle transients, perform an air start (restarting the engine in flight), and operate under extreme conditions (e.g., zero-gravity maneuvers or large sideslip angles).
Environmental Resilience: Evaluating engine operation under harsh weather, such as icing conditions (ice formation on the engine inlet) and water ingestion (heavy rain).
Noise and Emissions: Measuring noise levels and exhaust characteristics, including contrail formation, to meet certification standards.
Industry urges gov to launch ‘Mission Aero Engine’ amid talks with France’s Safran & US’s GE
India's defense industry urges government to launch 'Mission Aero Engine' for indigenous jet engine development amid foreign reliance concerns.
The recommendation, made by the Society of Indian Defence Manufacturers (SIDM) in a recent report titled “A Road Map for Aero Engine Development in India,” cautions that over dependence on foreign partners could expose India’s aviation sector to future sanctions or delays arising from geopolitical factors. The report was released by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Monday.
“India is highly vulnerable, and any restriction or sanction — whether by the USA, UK, France or Russia — can severely affect our Armed Forces as well as the high-growth civil aviation sector,” the report warns
Caution Against Dependence on Foreign OEMs
The SIDM report cautions that no foreign original equipment manufacturer (OEM) — including Safran, GE or Rolls-Royce — will ever share 100 per cent of the design, development and test data with Indian partners during co-development.“These countries have invested heavily in developing such technologies and will not create future competitors that threaten their business interests,” the report states
"The global aero-engine industry is dominated by General Electric (GE) Aerospace, Rolls-Royce, Pratt & Whitney, Safran Aircraft Engines, Honeywell Aerospace and MTU Aero Engines.Industry urges gov to launch ‘Mission Aero Engine’ amid talks with France’s Safran & US’s GE
India's defense industry urges government to launch 'Mission Aero Engine' for indigenous jet engine development amid foreign reliance concerns.www.thehindubusinessline.com
The recommendation, made by the Society of Indian Defence Manufacturers (SIDM) in a recent report titled “A Road Map for Aero Engine Development in India,” cautions that over dependence on foreign partners could expose India’s aviation sector to future sanctions or delays arising from geopolitical factors. The report was released by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Monday.
“India is highly vulnerable, and any restriction or sanction — whether by the USA, UK, France or Russia — can severely affect our Armed Forces as well as the high-growth civil aviation sector,” the report warns
Caution Against Dependence on Foreign OEMs
The SIDM report cautions that no foreign original equipment manufacturer (OEM) — including Safran, GE or Rolls-Royce — will ever share 100 per cent of the design, development and test data with Indian partners during co-development.
“These countries have invested heavily in developing such technologies and will not create future competitors that threaten their business interests,” the report states
With global demand for next-generation engines expected to rise sharply, the SIDM report asserts that India’s entry into this strategic sector is both a technological necessity and an economic opportunity."
Since the report is released by defence ministry, hope government will head to the advice.
Was under the impression they were looking at > 50,000 tons capacity Isothermal Forging Press .
They are looking to build a 50, 000 ton+ forge press. But that is still some time away. Indian industry has already set up 10-12, 000-ton forge presses. This 20, 000-ton forge press is a steppingstone towards that goal.
There may even be a 35-40, 000-ton forge press before we attempt to build a 50, 000+ ton unit.
If the requirement can be done with a 20k ton press, they won't initiate a case for a higher spec capacity without proper justification. Such is the future vision & planning in there. For AMCA the need is likely to not go for beyond hence such a capacity expansion would be unjustified and if such proposal were initiated then during audit they will put a flag.
HAL will never grow the mentality of a foreign oem with own IP pool, they are very very happy to be a license mfg & ROH center. No wonder the job retention level is such bad there & literally open doors these days.
hydraulic forging press used for making fighter jet, not for jet engine,
you need iso thermal forging for making aero engine parts..
I wanted to ask about the blade technology of ours, and what type of SX blades we produce past CMSX4? Plus referal material for it
Plus, what is the status on development of CMCs, and blisks?
Plus, what is the status on development of CMCs, and blisks?