LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions

TARGET said:
I thought MOD Babus were just doing Tarik pe Tarik... but they showed me I was wrong. Finally, something good. Kudos to MOD for finalizing this deal 💐(y)

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It's just HAL. HAL being HAL will waste more resources.

AMCA is my last hope for Indian industry and L&T type companies ( with substantial academic institutions participation where feasible and startups being built around it), leading it the solution.

Not TATA or Ambani or ADANI. Just by product of license Raj and a PSU without reservation.
 
TARGET said:
I thought MOD Babus were just doing Tarik pe Tarik... but they showed me I was wrong. Finally, something good. Kudos to MOD for finalizing this deal 💐(y)

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Question is how will HAL alone will deliver this much aircrafts?
i mean at the rate of just 12 per year it will take 20 Ducking years to deliver total 220 tejas.
 
To be fair here:

The Meteor integration and test firing along with the integration of 'Made in India' weapons was part of the 2015-2016 agreement with DA. However, there are questions being raised about the progress of this matter. No one so far has provided clarity around it. Ambiguity remains around whether the Indian weapons can ever be integrated to work with the French radar. These were listed as 'ISE'.

MoD and IAF (the customer) are one of a kind to be honest.

The disappointment people feel is because HAL is one of their own and happens to be promoted by the GoI.
 
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babablacksheep said:
29 +10+8=47 trainers out of 219 tejas(mk1, mk1a, mk1A/mk1b)

That 21.46% of tejas being twin seater varient.

So not too high of a percentage being twin seater.
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I was hoping it ll be for Mk2 /AMCA training with LAD & side stick... so that it ll cater to future aircrafts with side stick ..

I know it won't be..

Probably HLFT 42 will have side stick and it ll serve as AJT for AMCA & TEDBF.
 
Shan said:
Brother Baba, the IAF wants Astra and the rest tested with the Israeli radar to confirm a successful trial so that the Weapons Integration issue can be put to rest. It is a fair demand. It has been close to 5-6 months since the first engine came.

It definitely can be accepted. However, it seems the IAF reluctant to give HAL anymore slack.
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Seriously don't know how much time these people will take to certify uttam 🤦

And now there is a 4th GaN varient of it, it started with a simple 736 TRM AESA
 
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ShiroBarks said:
Seriously don't know how much time these people will take to certify uttam 🤦

And now there is a 4th GaN varient of it, it started with a simple 736 TRM AESA
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From what I know uttam is certified with Tejas, its the EW pod that is not certified with uttam.

Though don't know about uttam's certification with astra missiles, should be relatively easy .
 
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darshan978 said:
Question is how will HAL alone will deliver this much aircrafts?
i mean at the rate of just 12 per year it will take 20 Ducking years to deliver total 220 tejas.
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I believe there shouldn't be any doubt regarding the manufacturing of the 220 LCA fighter aircraft. They will make it without the engine, and we are not depends on anyone. The product is completely certified, and there won't be any significant changes to the aircraft, except for the Uttam AESA radar and the integration of missiles, which will occur simultaneously. The most important thing here is that the money will go to the Indian industry, creating jobs for Indians. The only concern is the engine...
 
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babablacksheep said:
From what I know uttam is certified with Tejas, its the EW pod that is not certified with uttam.

Though don't know about uttam's certification with astra missiles, should be relatively easy .
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The uttam that is certified is the proto uttam unit with 712 trm. The variant that is to be on the jets mk2 mk1 alpha is the 900+ trm variant , so this configuration also has to be made, get tested for performance to be certified again via rig & flight test. Difference is the part lru units separately won't need airworthy certification, the different lru part nos are cleared so unless something is no more available/redundant & a replacement lru is cleared that is to be done via an amendment revision to the ahsp of the uttam radar literature doc.

This same process is with virupaksha , because other subsystems like cooling , performance parameter check etc is needed every time you scale up or down based on the proven tech. So Uttam was a technology program while virupaksha & mk2 config version etc are project deliverables under the overall program.
 
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screambowl said:
Any other ASM integrated apart from hammer?
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Initial requirement for a Mig21 like role (escort and limited ground attack) only demand integration of bombs & the a2a missiles in the inventory like ASRAAM R-73 etc and the gun firing. That work was also pending for the likely new built Mk1a , which led to the campaign trial earlier this month from 15th to 22 September notam. The new built Mk1a needs to fire these initial integrated weapons as firing trial before delivery so user can undertake mission & training with these. Even that work was also delayed possibly owing to engines maybe. Anyway we won't know the exact reason unless revealed.

Astra firing is likely NOT a precondition for Mk1a delivery simply because the development project of Astra integration into LCA (AIL) is not complete from DRDL side therefore not cleared for batch integration. IAF would want the existing inventory role item weapon trials first. If Astra is not yet completed development trials, IAF won't ask for it right away unless pressing need due to recent events. But this would be speculative at most & the crux of the work still remain with DRDL. HAL takes flack due to being the delivery agency.

Rest weapons are below ones per the universal loading trolley doc which items to be carried by this trolley, also the 1200lt & 800lt drop tank & JDAM.
Not necessarily the full picture but some conclusion can be drawn.
Other standoff weapons are not shown ie SAAW.

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marich01 said:
Initial requirement for a Mig21 like role (escort and limited ground attack) only demand integration of bombs & the a2a missiles in the inventory like ASRAAM R-73 etc and the gun firing. That work was also pending for the likely new built Mk1a , which led to the campaign trial earlier this month from 15th to 22 September notam. The new built Mk1a needs to fire these initial integrated weapons as firing trial before delivery so user can undertake mission & training with these. Even that work was also delayed possibly owing to engines maybe. Anyway we won't know the exact reason unless revealed.

Astra firing is likely NOT a precondition for Mk1a delivery simply because the development project of Astra integration into LCA (AIL) is not complete from DRDL side therefore not cleared for batch integration. IAF would want the existing inventory role item weapon trials first. If Astra is not yet completed development trials, IAF won't ask for it right away unless pressing need due to recent events. But this would be speculative at most & the crux of the work still remain with DRDL. HAL takes flack due to being the delivery agency.

Rest weapons are below ones per the universal loading trolley doc which items to be carried by this trolley, also the 1200lt & 800lt drop tank & JDAM.
Not necessarily the full picture but some conclusion can be drawn.
Other standoff weapons are not shown ie SAAW.

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With the dimensions you shared here, the payload is mostly below 3m in length and 450kg max payload. IF suppose Rudram 1 has to be integrated, well it's approx. 5.5m in length and weighs around 600kg. With that payload, it won't solve the purpose of LCAMk1/1a to be interceptor and it won't be logical either to make it suitable to carry ASM. it's just delaying it's operations to even further.
 
screambowl said:
With the dimensions you shared here, the payload is mostly below 3m in length and 450kg max payload. IF suppose Rudram 1 has to be integrated, well it's approx. 5.5m in length and weighs around 600kg. With that payload, it won't solve the purpose of LCAMk1/1a to be interceptor and it won't be logical either to make it suitable to carry ASM. it's just delaying it's operations to even further.
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Drop tank dimension is on par with the Rudram series. With some anti rad store on board, then that LCA mission profile won't be of an interceptor role. It would have a sead role specific config loadout. Some other jet would provide the escort support to it in that case.

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marich01 said:
Drop tank dimension is on par with the Rudram series. With some anti rad store on board, then that LCA mission profile won't be of an interceptor role. It would have a sead role specific config loadout. Some other jet would provide the escort support to it in that case.
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Then it will have to sacrifice on other payloads, more over the fuel tanks don't have constant weight of1110 kgs due to fuel consumption. I would say, let some other jet carry the ASM, and LCA would play it's role as an escort due to it's profile as interceptor. Yes, in some exceptional cases it can be deployed for SEAD missions. But as of now Rudram has not been tested on LCAmk1
 
screambowl said:
Then it will have to sacrifice on other payloads, more over the fuel tanks don't have constant weight of1110 kgs due to fuel consumption. I would say, let some other jet carry the ASM, and LCA would play it's role as an escort due to it's profile as interceptor. Yes, in some exceptional cases it can be deployed for SEAD missions. But as of now Rudram has not been tested on LCAmk1
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Loadout is done as per mission. The strike jet will carry only the mission related equipment & the weapon only. That means a target is assigned & for this either 1 or 2 stores carry the weapon that is cleared by the command. So for a mission where the jet use bomb, it will be drop tank, bomb store & 2 short range aam plus maybe spj pod. The escort jet will likely have 2 SR-AAM, 2 R-77 or equivalent & ASPJ loadout. If aerial refueling is available then DT can be excused. Light jet like LCA is not supposed to carry more, its role is mainly escort & protect the strike jet from enemy jet interception.
 
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Tweets of LCA mk1A finished weapon trials going rounds... Is that authentic?

Similar news were going rounds since last month
 
We been counting since
PV
LSP
SP
And even now .. for Mi1A ..

seems to some kind of fate.. hopefully from next year we ll get to see bulk induction that was fantasized about.
 
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