Your navy lost two FA-18s to houthis and then announced victory and ran away. IDK why Americans act like this.
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Your navy lost two FA-18s to houthis and then announced victory and ran away. IDK why Americans act like this.
They're inspired by their new ally Pakhanistan who celebrate their Military Loss as Victory & show the world nothing happened to their a.s.s, just like after operation Sindoor Pakhanistanis were on road celebrating victory even after their a.s.s was rip apart by Indian Army....
Defence Ministry receives IAF's proposal for buying 114 'Made in India' Rafale fighter jets
By Ajit Dubey | Updated: Sep 12, 2025 19:32 IST
New Delhi [India], September 12 (ANI): The Defence Ministry has received and started discussions on the proposal from the Indian Air Force for acquiring 114 'Made in India' Rafale fighter jets, which would be built by the French firm Dassault Aviation involving Indian aerospace firms.
The proposal, expected to be worth over Rs 2 lakh crore, including the indigenous content of more than 60 per cent, is expected to be taken up for discussion by the Defence Procurement Board headed by the Defence Secretary in the next few weeks.
The defence project, once completed, would be the biggest ever defence deal to have been signed by the Indian government.
“The Statement of Case (SoC) or the proposal for the 114 Rafale jets prepared by the Indian Air Force was received by the Defence Ministry a few days ago and is under consideration of the different wings under it, including Defence Finance. After deliberations, the proposal would then be moved to the DPB, followed by the Defence Acquisition Council, defence officials told ANI.
The biggest ever defence deal for the Rafales is expected to take the number of Rafale aircraft in the Indian defence forces’ fleet to 176, as the Indian Air Force has already inducted 36 of them, and the Indian Navy has placed orders for 26 of them under government-to-government deals.
The move to take the proposal forward has come soon after the Rafale performed very well against Pakistan in Operation Sindoor, where it managed to comprehensively beat the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missiles using its Spectra Electronic warfare suite.
The aircraft to be built in India are also likely to have longer-range air-to-ground missiles than the existing Scalp, which was used extensively to hit both military and terrorist targets inside Pakistan.
The indigenous content in the Made in India Rafale fighter jets is expected to be more than 60 per cent.
The French side is also planning to set up a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul facility for the M-88 engines, which are used by Rafale jets in Hyderabad.
The French firm Dassault has already set up a firm to look after the maintenance of French-origin fighter jets. Indian aerospace firms such as Tata are also likely to be part of the manufacturing.
India has an urgent need to induct fighter jets to address the growing threat perception in the region.
The IAF's fighter jet force structure is expected to be primarily comprised of the Su-30 MKIs, Rafales, and indigenous fighter jet projects.
India has already ordered 180 LCA Mark1A jets and also has plans to induct the indigenous fifth-generation fighter in large numbers beyond 2035. (ANI)
By Ajit Dubey | Updated: Sep 12, 2025 19:32 IST
New Delhi [India], September 12 (ANI): The Defence Ministry has received and started discussions on the proposal from the Indian Air Force for acquiring 114 'Made in India' Rafale fighter jets, which would be built by the French firm Dassault Aviation involving Indian aerospace firms.
The proposal, expected to be worth over Rs 2 lakh crore, including the indigenous content of more than 60 per cent, is expected to be taken up for discussion by the Defence Procurement Board headed by the Defence Secretary in the next few weeks.
The defence project, once completed, would be the biggest ever defence deal to have been signed by the Indian government.
“The Statement of Case (SoC) or the proposal for the 114 Rafale jets prepared by the Indian Air Force was received by the Defence Ministry a few days ago and is under consideration of the different wings under it, including Defence Finance. After deliberations, the proposal would then be moved to the DPB, followed by the Defence Acquisition Council, defence officials told ANI.
The biggest ever defence deal for the Rafales is expected to take the number of Rafale aircraft in the Indian defence forces’ fleet to 176, as the Indian Air Force has already inducted 36 of them, and the Indian Navy has placed orders for 26 of them under government-to-government deals.
The move to take the proposal forward has come soon after the Rafale performed very well against Pakistan in Operation Sindoor, where it managed to comprehensively beat the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missiles using its Spectra Electronic warfare suite.
The aircraft to be built in India are also likely to have longer-range air-to-ground missiles than the existing Scalp, which was used extensively to hit both military and terrorist targets inside Pakistan.
The indigenous content in the Made in India Rafale fighter jets is expected to be more than 60 per cent.
The French side is also planning to set up a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul facility for the M-88 engines, which are used by Rafale jets in Hyderabad.
The French firm Dassault has already set up a firm to look after the maintenance of French-origin fighter jets. Indian aerospace firms such as Tata are also likely to be part of the manufacturing.
India has an urgent need to induct fighter jets to address the growing threat perception in the region.
The IAF's fighter jet force structure is expected to be primarily comprised of the Su-30 MKIs, Rafales, and indigenous fighter jet projects.
India has already ordered 180 LCA Mark1A jets and also has plans to induct the indigenous fifth-generation fighter in large numbers beyond 2035. (ANI)
The move to take the proposal forward has come soon after the Rafale performed very well against Pakistan in Operation Sindoor, where it managed to comprehensively beat the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missiles using its Spectra Electronic warfare suite.
I clearly Remember the date -- 30 th JANUARY 2012 , when Rafale was announced as the winner of MMRCA
What a Long and Painful Journey it has been
Anyway let us hope for the best for the future
What a Long and Painful Journey it has been
Anyway let us hope for the best for the future
With that said, i think navy should also dip its hand in the flowing Ganga and order another batch of rafale marine.
40 upgraded mig29k + 52 rafale marine, will form barely decent no. For 3 carriers, given tedbf(or its stealth equivalent) ain't coming before 2038 at the minimum.
I already told you that they will be F4.3s (unless you want to wait until 2033) that can be upgraded to F5 at little cost (only the price of the additional equipment that would have had to be paid for anyway). No major work is required to perform the upgrade: the equipment is installed in the designated slots, the aircraft software is updated using a laptop, and the aircraft is F5.
There won't be 3rd AC, and it would be better we invest that money on SSGNs.
Navy has need for 57 MRCBF fighters, ordered only 26 i.e. 31 is to be bought. Total requirement for 2 ACs is 87 and 3 ACs is 145 (3rd one being Vishal).
Once we start manufacturing them in India , we can increase the numbers as per the needs of the future
If PLAN carriers cross the Malacca straits , we can target them with SU 30 plus Brahmos combination, ie till Rafale or TEDBF is available
Anyway, Conflict between PLAN VS USN --Fifth Fleet is more likely than PLAN Vs IN
I think you meant ssn, in this case it would be somewhat valid.
But we definitely can do both.
The first ssn even if construction begin now ain't coming online till mid 2030s.
Same for carrier, even if its repeat order of vikrant class it ain't coming online till 2032 at the minimum.
By the time they are ready to induct our economy would be more than capable.
As for construction cost, we can afford it given it will spread over 7-10 years.
Nope, I meant SSGNs (nuclear-powered cruise missile submarines).
Either new boats or conversion of S4 class post S5 inductions like the Ohio class of USN.
A ski-jump aircraft carrier is a waste of resources. It should be a CATOBAR.
Nonetheless TEDBF as a programme has no viability for just 2 STOBARs and should be scrapped overall and work should be on navalised AMCA.
Why tho? We don't have that big of a need of an underwater conventional missile carrier.
We have many other means to launch missiles at enemy.
Ssn is a bigger priority for prolonged operation and carrier support( plus ssn's do also carry conventional missiles, just the no. Is not as large as ssgn, also relatively large ssk too can carry long range missiles in vls ).
Even if we start development today, a catobar carrier ain't coming before mid to late 2030s.
While a modified vikrant class can be completed by ~2032 if its development begin now.
Then in 2028-2030 we can start development of catobar carrier to enter service in ~2040( we can also Collaborate with French given similar timelines).
Why not? An SSGN being able to carry and deploy 40-50 BrahMos is much deadlier than an AC. Point is it's endurance and stealth. Ideally yes, both AC and SSGN should be built in large numbers but then everything stops at money and domestic capabilities.
Rafales however good can't carry as much as it's potential due to the ski-jumps and also the STOBAR limits the number of aircraft the ship can carry. Unless a CATOBAR is in plans, better invest in credible SSGNs that are equal nightmares for any adversary as a CBG.
Precisely why 3rd AC is not happening and shouldn't happen unless a CATOBAR. Invest money on nuke subs.
My Dear Friends and Country men
Stop Counting Chickens before they Hatch
All these above dreams and fantasies will take many decades
Stop Counting Chickens before they Hatch
All these above dreams and fantasies will take many decades
1, Ssgn ain't gonna provide aircover.
2, And with SSN and larger SSK we have in plans, the no. Of long range missiles carried underwater will be more than enough for our needs.
Plus the current s2, s3 and s4 in future will be converted to ssgn.
Building additional dedicated ssgn doesn't make sense, that's the reason neither US, russia, china build them, they build dedicated SSN's, all their ssgn's are recycled/repurposed SSBN's.
With 60% IC, if done right.. this can generate significant roi for Indian economy. Dassault also gets a reliable customer and strategic partner for supply chain.
Time for India to payback french for their continuous spares support even during US 1998 sanction?
Time for India to payback french for their continuous spares support even during US 1998 sanction?
Its actually kinda normMy Dear Friends and Country men
Stop Counting Chickens before they Hatch
All these above dreams and fantasies will take many decades
Building a navy(military in general) is a decades long process.
The plans being created now in military headquarters world wide will have effect decade+ later.