Operation Sindoor: Aftermath

These two combined does raise a very important and interesting question — Is US helping Pak setup something there which can thwart / attempt to thwart a future Indian offensive on that base?

If you ask me, it’s pretty darn likely! Also, what are the chances of Pak getting some offensive weapons for their F-16s which they can deploy against IAF in a future conflict?
Most deliveries will be to rebuild Pak AD which was rendered partially blind and put in new point AD systems (mostly defensive in nature).
US doesnt easily give offensive capability due to their potential to destabilize the region. India will react and buy more Russian systems (potentially) and singularly point to US deliveries. It starts a cycle the US wants to contain.
 
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Most deliveries will be to rebuild Pak AD which was rendered partially blind and put in new point AD systems (mostly defensive in nature).
US doesnt easily give offensive capability due to their potential to destabilize the region. India will react and buy more Russian systems (potentially) and singularly point to US deliveries. It starts a cycle the US wants to contain.

So, US based ADs! So, another US meltdown loading once those get taken out!
 
Trump's long term plan envisions Pakistan carrying on as a state. Munir got himself a deal. We can put a spin on it as long as we want.

Our diplomacy was lacking in this round.
The only problem with that picture is the way Pak operates! History has shown that the moment Pak gets some support it does something big. Today’s news about Mumbai - some RDX laden vehicles in Mumbai (even if it’s hoax) shows a trend. A mishap is waiting to happen - and - the moment that happens, it’s another all out war with US openly backing Pak. We might even see a Pak preemptive strike with US blessings.
 
The only problem with that picture is the way Pak operates! History has shown that the moment Pak gets some support it does something big. Today’s news about Mumbai - some RDX laden vehicles in Mumbai (even if it’s hoax) shows a trend. A mishap is waiting to happen - and - the moment that happens, it’s another all out war with US openly backing Pak. We might even see a Pak preemptive strike with US blessings.

It sounds credible pre-2000 eras. But now?
What i don't see is china willing to have it out with India directly on land border. And any war will spill over to that front too, given PLANs logistics support to pak will be counted in CPEC going through POK.

And a volatile india-pak will only give space for AQ khan networks nodes to activate it to proliferate to iran atleast.

And if there, at any point of time, it seems that US is supporting pak, even by staying out of it and making it hard for india .. I doubt iran will sit still.

A war will happen for sure. But it might not be the kind we think of. What i believe is that all the parties, wether USA, china, west etc.. would wanna test the new red line. And while pakistan is a good tool for that.. it could be bigger headache for china as it will lose most out of all of such india vs everyone scenario happens.
 
Is there a thread where we can war-game or discuss things let's say for our purposes . A Pakistani terror attacks somewhere in 2026-2027.

Let's unpack.. how domestic situation could unfold. The usual left cabal and their cabab. The govt and military.. will they take time or has a plan been put already and just need a yes.

And what's the next step in this escalation of ladder.. to make it costly for pak. How much this time.

What arsenal pak can have it with them in 2-3 years via china US etc. maybe even russia.

Where will we be?
 
These two combined does raise a very important and interesting question — Is US helping Pak setup something there which can thwart / attempt to thwart a future Indian offensive on that base?

If you ask me, it’s pretty darn likely! Also, what are the chances of Pak getting some offensive weapons for their F-16s which they can deploy against IAF in a future conflict?

Pakistan will rely less on Chinese weaponry now the will seek more from west. Poland is now upgrading their F16 to vipers block 70 to challenge the Russian systems so expect Pakistan to go for some critical tech as well to fill the shortcoming of SEAD/DEAD against Indian air defence.
 
These two combined does raise a very important and interesting question — Is US helping Pak setup something there which can thwart / attempt to thwart a future Indian offensive on that base?

If you ask me, it’s pretty darn likely! Also, what are the chances of Pak getting some offensive weapons for their F-16s which they can deploy against IAF in a future conflict?
It's bringing flood relief .

There are photos of goods being unloaded and photo op of the personnel .
 
If the fauji foundation decides to fire a BM, this time apart from cheering an interception, the IA should fire a similar weapon in kind. After all, they claim that hypersonic interceptions are not an issue for the 'lumber one' army.
 
People are speculating if things will flare up again and OP Sindoor will resume. I threw in my two cents stating a BM can be certified as battle tested.
That hellfire tweet sounds more than a speculation. I thought I missed some crucial development
 
If the fauji foundation decides to fire a BM, this time apart from cheering an interception, the IA should fire a similar weapon in kind. After all, they claim that hypersonic interceptions are not an issue for the 'lumber one' army.
They never fired a BM during OP Sindhoor . The Fateh family of rockets do not have a ballistic trajectory and has a rudimentary flat trajectory.
 
They never fired a BM during OP Sindhoor . The Fateh family of rockets do not have a ballistic trajectory and has a rudimentary flat trajectory.


Is there any confirmation that this was not the case? I had both these links saved. Let me know if the BM(s) being fired has been debunked.

Noted your info for Fateh.
 


Is there any confirmation that this was not the case? I had both these links saved. Let me know if the BM(s) being fired has been debunked.

Noted your info for Fateh.
They never fired a Shaheen , it's part of their nuclear force and such a launch would be considered a nuke attack by India . It's one of the reason that they ar now trying to make a conventional rocket force like what India has made because they don't have many options to respond with in the conventional space to an Indian missile attack.

And as for the Fateh , it's not a ballistic missile . A ballistic missile is one which follows a ballistic trajectory, basically a parabolic curve with the projectile atleast in sub orbital space at its highest point .

Fateh is a rocket system , like the Pinaka or the Smerch but an inferior version with a large CEP and a flat trajectory of flight which makes it easy to shoot down.

India choose to respond to their Fateh attack by using Brahmos and Scalps . I wish they had used the Pinaka but I guess they did not because collateral damage would ahve been high as it's a theatre damage weapon .
 
PAF is a very tuchhi force.
Their people believing them wholeheartedly makes this funnier. Their cope so far has been "anything as evidence of anything destroyed by India is fake photoshop", "so what it was hit, the damage was minimum, the Erieye only got scratches with a 3 tonne supersonic cruise missile carrying 300kg warhead", "we hit Indian bases, evidence being some random explosions in the city caused by inaccurate pakstani rockets", "S-400 was hit, evidence is some local random dehati news media", "nothing of value was hit at Nur Khan it were fuel trucks", "all hangars when hit were totally empty", "we shot down all Indian drones, nothing of value was hit at walton airport".


ISPR has mastered the art of propaganda and ability to sell their low IQ jingoism to it's largely illiterate dehati population, 6-0 is their new selling catch phrase to sell, except they haven't shown any evidence for those aircrafts other than those 3 on social media. Apparently India can easily hide aircraft crashes but paksitan can not.
 
Their people believing them wholeheartedly makes this funnier. Their cope so far has been "anything as evidence of anything destroyed by India is fake photoshop", "so what it was hit, the damage was minimum, the Erieye only got scratches with a 3 tonne supersonic cruise missile carrying 300kg warhead", "we hit Indian bases, evidence being some random explosions in the city caused by inaccurate pakstani rockets", "S-400 was hit, evidence is some local random dehati news media", "nothing of value was hit at Nur Khan it were fuel trucks", "all hangars when hit were totally empty", "we shot down all Indian drones, nothing of value was hit at walton airport".


ISPR has mastered the art of propaganda and ability to sell their low IQ jingoism to it's largely illiterate dehati population, 6-0 is their new selling catch phrase to sell, except they haven't shown any evidence for those aircrafts other than those 3 on social media. Apparently India can easily hide aircraft crashes but paksitan can not.
Someone was asking grok the other day. It refused to certify any evidence that the lad presented and refuted the argument being made (Rafale jets being downed - multiple). The chap abused the AI chatbot and left the thread. What can you expect from them? ISPR ne bola toh sahi hoga.
 
It's bringing flood relief .

There are photos of goods being unloaded and photo op of the personnel .

They will definitely not share the “other stuff” on board those aircrafts, yes, plural!
Flood relief is surely a great cover!

I have a great deal of respect for what @Hellfire posts! His window of operation [5th - 10th] was recently validated when it came out that decision was in on 5th - so he is definitely at a position somewhere (or has a source) that knows these things.

That post sent a chill down my spine - I have a feeling it’s not only a flare up with Pak but something larger at play (can also include a conflict with Pak). Looks like US wants their pound of flesh and they are going to try to extract it somehow!
They never fired a Shaheen , it's part of their nuclear force and such a launch would be considered a nuke attack by India . It's one of the reason that they ar now trying to make a conventional rocket force like what India has made because they don't have many options to respond with in the conventional space to an Indian missile attack.

And as for the Fateh , it's not a ballistic missile . A ballistic missile is one which follows a ballistic trajectory, basically a parabolic curve with the projectile atleast in sub orbital space at its highest point .

Fateh is a rocket system , like the Pinaka or the Smerch but an inferior version with a large CEP and a flat trajectory of flight which makes it easy to shoot down.

India choose to respond to their Fateh attack by using Brahmos and Scalps . I wish they had used the Pinaka but I guess they did not because collateral damage would ahve been high as it's a theatre damage weapon .

Sounds right based on information available in Public. However, something tells me that the missile that was intercepted over Sirsa was not a Fatah - the size of explosion was way too big to be a Fatah and there is no evidence whatsoever which can indicate the type of the missile. Some speculate that it was a CM-400 (more probable than a Fatah) - but then also, there are doubts. Shaheen is surely part of Pak nuclear forces, but, that doesn’t mean they don’t have any with conventional warheads. For all their nuclear sabre rattling, they too know that they cannot afford to use a Nuke, so, I am pretty sure they have some BMs with HE conventional warheads - thermobarric may be?