Operation Sindoor: Aftermath

Should we also do red teaming.

How will Pakistan set up it's new facilities, offense, defense now?

We know so far that they are decentralising terror command in the sense that spreading out terrorists in small teams across launchpads and centers.

Comms will probably shift back and hardened bunkers along IB for their posts?

Saturation is the most talked about but how do you think they will go for it?
Have there been reports on shipments from turkey yet?
 
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The last major war that we fought was in 1971, so between then and 2025, there has been at least two quantum jumps in technology - battlefield transparency and networking, and the range of sensors and weapons. So Operation Sindoor was itself a learning lesson for the armed forces," Admiral Prakash said.

"... We struck, our intelligence was good, we struck deep into enemy territory, the precision of our weapons was excellent, we hit targets that we wanted to, the coordination between the three services was as required... So when the next round comes I am sure all the lessons learned from this phase of [Operation] Sindoor will be applied,"



"I think one of the important lessons for us was as to how, so far we used to say that look China would assist Pakistan during operations, during a conflict, etc. But I think this time it came out loud and clear that it is more like they are conjoined," General Pande

The Admiral also brought out two or three key issues. One is increased battlefield transparency through better sensors, better networking, and having longer-range weapons, whether surface-to-air or air-to-ground and so on. So like I said, the list can be endless, but primarily these are three or four factors which we think we should have been much stronger at that time and we should bid for better equipment and better hardware in future," Air Chief Marshal Chaudhari said.


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My take, Better supply chain, better maintenance of war equipment, simulation of test cases of what can go wrong and back up plan is must.
 
The last major war that we fought was in 1971, so between then and 2025, there has been at least two quantum jumps in technology - battlefield transparency and networking, and the range of sensors and weapons. So Operation Sindoor was itself a learning lesson for the armed forces," Admiral Prakash said.

"... We struck, our intelligence was good, we struck deep into enemy territory, the precision of our weapons was excellent, we hit targets that we wanted to, the coordination between the three services was as required... So when the next round comes I am sure all the lessons learned from this phase of [Operation] Sindoor will be applied,"



"I think one of the important lessons for us was as to how, so far we used to say that look China would assist Pakistan during operations, during a conflict, etc. But I think this time it came out loud and clear that it is more like they are conjoined," General Pande

The Admiral also brought out two or three key issues. One is increased battlefield transparency through better sensors, better networking, and having longer-range weapons, whether surface-to-air or air-to-ground and so on. So like I said, the list can be endless, but primarily these are three or four factors which we think we should have been much stronger at that time and we should bid for better equipment and better hardware in future," Air Chief Marshal Chaudhari said.


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My take, Better supply chain, better maintenance of war equipment, simulation of test cases of what can go wrong and back up plan is must.

One key area — Drone stockpiles! Going forward that is going to be a deciding factor in terms of SEAD & DEAD capabilities! Inexpensive stuff to saturate AD systems and forcing adversaries to switch off radar creating blind zones which can then be exploited with large calibre weapons is how things will be going forward.

During today’s speech, one point was made pretty publicly and clearly — no differentiation between Pak military and terrorists going forward & there was a note of emphasis on this. I am not sure, but, I got the feeling that this was part of a broader messaging from the establishment in light of the present situation — FAFO. I am curious if others felt this as well!
 
Should we also do red teaming.

How will Pakistan set up it's new facilities, offense, defense now?

We know so far that they are decentralising terror command in the sense that spreading out terrorists in small teams across launchpads and centers.

Comms will probably shift back and hardened bunkers along IB for their posts?

Saturation is the most talked about but how do you think they will go for it?
Have there been reports on shipments from turkey yet?
Mass missile launches against Delhi, Amritsar and other North Indian cities. But I disagree with @Defc0n that they will try to hit BLR or HYD, they are too far away and Pak would need to mass produce 2,000 km class ballistic and cruise missiles which they can't do.

Else if they try to hit BLD or HYD using single Shaheens then India will think it's a nuclear strike and end the porks.
 
Less of a lesson and more of an opportunity.

A greater participation from Pinaka as well as MGS is what I would expect in the next event or conflict. It would provide an opportunity to learn and improve both of these. It is a pity that the MGS has not been inducted into the IA.

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It won't. Pakistan will be finished before we even complete the trials.
 
We still don't know the full details yet 😱. It's so sad that morons in India started focusing on pak propoganda of jets and all and forgot the objectives of operation and deadly strikes by our armed forces.

No wonder Pakistan was so rattled. It was just short of a mossad type decapitation.
 
@safriz here's the video of your faujeets saying "with love to pathankot" while firing multiple Fatah-1 rockets as I promised, it's the bottom left one.
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Now where's the impact on the airbase? Zilch. If this is satisfactory then no wonder fauji foundation got it's rear handed over back to them.



Some crashed near chakki bridge, some crashed in nearby village in Himachal lol



Every single pakistani toy ended up in failure
 
Another angle, two rockets landed near Chakki railway bridge outside pathankot

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Both of them roughly 1-2 km away from the airbase, probably not even engaged by the AD systems for having a non-threatening trajectory or perhaps EW jamming. That's terrible for something that is supposed to be a "guided rocket".
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There's clear evidence your stupid rocket attack at our airbases failed miserably and Fatah was anything but "satisfactory" @safriz
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Mass missile launches against Delhi, Amritsar and other North Indian cities. But I disagree with @Defc0n that they will try to hit BLR or HYD, they are too far away and Pak would need to mass produce 2,000 km class ballistic and cruise missiles which they can't do.

Else if they try to hit BLD or HYD using single Shaheens then India will think it's a nuclear strike and end the porks.

There are lot of military related infrastructure in BLR. I do think Pak has enough of 2000 KMs + missiles to hit those. During last conflict, a lot was said about drones being manufactured in BLR etc (something that shouldn’t have come out, in my opinion) — plus you have the HAL infrastructure in BLR. But I do get your point about India thinking these as nuclear strikes which in my opinion was possible for the stuff that was intercepted over Sirsa (some say it was CM-400, while others don’t categorically say anything). I remember IA mentioning “Shaheen” in the “list of weapons Pak used” during Sindoor in some presentation — so ideally, we didn’t know if that was nuke or not as well.
 
Even after that Pakistan lost so badly.

Just my 2 Cents

I don't know about other military enthusiasts BUT
The more I think about this conflict , I feel sad about the Things that WE DID NOT DO , or could have done before ceasefire

Suppose we had caused them more damage , and then credited Trump with ceasefire , at least we would have been more satisfied right now about really hurting the enemy

Trump only cares for a Fake Sense of Importance and attention ie he is a Drama queen

Look How PUTIN played him by going to Alaska

And is still hammering Ukraine

That is just what I feel

Other members Please share your views
 
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We should now have a thread to analyse shortcomings of this Operation. For example here they say "less than 50 weapons fired" now this idk includes in entire conflict or just on 9th/10th. Rest, what do they call a "weapon". Because I can count around 30 missiles and bombs being fired at pakistan captured on camera including the attacks which apparently failed/terminated midway. So one can speculate other targets weren't hit, like Rafiqui, Rahwali, Nayachor and some other sites in Jacobabad airbase (a brahmos wreckage was found outside).

The Harop attacks on 8th however successful, were unable to hit a lot of targets, especially the ones fired at Karachi.

I didn’t get the 30 part?

Do you mean to say that we used around 30 munitions in all during Op Sindoor ?

Or you meant that 30 air launched munitions were intercepted or failed to hit their targets in Pakistan?

Theres videos of wreckages of one Brahmos and one Scalp. They may have been shot down or they malfunctioned and crashed. There’s a video of two interceptions over Rafiqui airbase. There’s an instance of a Rampage missile veering off course and hitting the compound of an industrial complex outside Lahore. There’s another missile wreckage possibly of Rampage from Rajasthan.

Besides we don’t know what were targetted in Rafiqui, Rahawali and Nayachor? Were these strikes on 9/10th May successful?

We don’t know whether the IAF strikes ( 8 May 2025) on Fort Abbas, Bahawalpur, Sandh were successful. These are mostly Harop strikes.

We again struck 4 Pak radars/sam on 8/9th May. These must have been using air launched munitions.

ACM had said that we managed to hit atleast 6 radars and 2 sam systems( Lahore and Okara).
 
Just my 2 Cents

I don't know about other military enthusiasts BUT
The more I think about this conflict , I feel sad about the Things that WE DID NOT DO , or could have done before ceasefire

Suppose we had caused them more damage , and then credited Trump with ceasefire , at least we would have been more satisfied right now about really hurting the enemy

Trump only cares for a Fake Sense of Importance and attention ie he is a Drama queen

Look How PUTIN played him by going to Alaska

And is still hammering Ukraine

That is just what I feel

Other members Please share your views

Seems Trump is hell bent on protecting his Crypto investment.

Large scale action will invite their reaction.

We ll have take up Border conflicts or finish the Crypto investment.
 
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I didn’t get the 30 part?

Do you mean to say that we used around 30 munitions in all during Op Sindoor ?

Or you meant that 30 air launched munitions were intercepted or failed to hit their targets in Pakistan?

Theres videos of wreckages of one Brahmos and one Scalp. They may have been shot down or they malfunctioned and crashed. There’s a video of two interceptions over Rafiqui airbase. There’s an instance of a Rampage missile veering off course and hitting the compound of an industrial complex outside Lahore. There’s another missile wreckage possibly of Rampage from Rajasthan.

Besides we don’t know what were targetted in Rafiqui, Rahawali and Nayachor? Were these strikes on 9/10th May successful?

We don’t know whether the IAF strikes ( 8 May 2025) on Fort Abbas, Bahawalpur, Sandh were successful. These are mostly Harop strikes.

We again struck 4 Pak radars/sam on 8/9th May. These must have been using air launched munitions.

ACM had said that we managed to hit atleast 6 radars and 2 sam systems( Lahore and Okara).
30 includes all missiles and bombs fired by us in whole of Op Sindoor, including some that "failed" or were terminated like a SCALP at Sargodha and a BrahMos outside Jacobabad and potentially one outside Rafiqui, as well as a Rampage that hit nothing at Lahore's Sundar industrial estate for example.

Radars and SAMs were hit by Harops, except maybe the ones at Sukkur and Jacobabad. Also, we still have a lot of stuff that IAF has to release as they have been holding up a lot of info, trying to release them over regular intervals maybe to humiliate them.