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The US under DT is trying to yank Russia out of China's grip. This is a foriegn policy objective Trump has been talking about since his election campaign. The sooner, the better. Sanctions on India will no longer be justifiable for the US. Otoh, India won't have to rely on Chinese investments as much.
If he wants Russia to pull out of China's grip.. then what the heck is he trying to achieve by alienating India. And now he is even contradicting himself.. modi dealt a serious blow to DTs ego by refuting his ceasefire claims and not yielding to unfair US demands.

As if Russia will trust western block. It would rather be a a hefty voice in Chinese block.. one of the many reasons Russia has maintained a very robust relationship with India ( in public ), to share the pressure.

What do you guys think about EU- US relationship/ alliance(NATO) ... Will it break by the next decade, in the current form?
 
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America is not too cowardly but too smart. When push comes to shove, they don't just own 11 Aircraft Carriers for show along with hoardes of 4th, 5th & 6th gen(in future) fighters.

In 1971, we almost came to war with the US. The way we are pursuing an independent foreign policy and refuse to be their vassal state, sooner or later, Uncle Sam will come for us. We need to be ready and prepared for all eventualities.
Let them bring their Aircraft Carriers, we are the first country to fight & bring a nuclear nation to its knees, we shall become the first country to drown nuclear powered aircraft carriers.
 
Let them bring their Aircraft Carriers, we are the first country to fight & bring a nuclear nation to its knees, we shall become the first country to drown nuclear powered aircraft carriers.
I think RL is forgetting we weren't a nuclear power in 1971 and we had no ICBM. Today we are far from what we were in 1971. So they won't come at us with military might like good ol'days. Because that has consequences. And they have to justify it in some way. US at worst will try to economically cripple us. Now how much of that will work and how far US would go with that plan, we don't know.
 
India is a useful idiot.....

The guy is an idiot.
- Trump offered F-35 to India as late as May by no one less than JD Vance. LOL! And yeah that is signalling China that USA is not arming India.
- And Critical ally is a bullshit. US is shafting Canada that is as much indispensable as it comes.
- Interestingly, this guy somehow disregards past 35 years of diplomacy of successive US governments.
- More interestingly, India is not the only country that shafted like this. Brazil also has similar tarrifs and not to mention Canada has 35% tarrifs.
- The whole idea of closer cooperation with China is idiotic. China is not going to buy much from USA simply because USA does not produces anything that China can not get elsewhere. So there is ZERO leverage that US has except for its domestic market and that is completely captive of China.
- Trouble is, now US has pissed off India and there is nothing US can do patch up the relationship back.

Bravo Trump! What a masterstroke!
 
Yeah they are trying to improve their relationship with China. So they are throwing India under the bus. It was bound to happen one day. Atleast it happened sooner than later. We should be glad we got the wake up call early. I hope our adminstration keep our relationship with US in a more transactional domain from now.
Yeah, Trump daily threatens 200% Tarriff on China, he has Peter Navarro, the "Death by China" guy as chief advisor and we are supposed to believe that US is courting China. Courting for what? What does US has to sell to China? Soyabean? LOL! good luck! Not gonna happen.
 
The guy is an idiot.
- Trump offered F-35 to India as late as May by no one less than JD Vance. LOL! And yeah that is signalling China that USA is not arming India.
- And Critical ally is a bullshit. US is shafting Canada that is as much indispensable as it comes.
- Interestingly, this guy somehow disregards past 35 years of diplomacy of successive US governments.
- More interestingly, India is not the only country that shafted like this. Brazil also has similar tarrifs and not to mention Canada has 35% tarrifs.
- The whole idea of closer cooperation with China is idiotic. China is not going to buy much from USA simply because USA does not produces anything that China can not get elsewhere. So there is ZERO leverage that US has except for its domestic market and that is completely captive of China.
- Trouble is, now US has pissed off India and there is nothing US can do patch up the relationship back.

Bravo Trump! What a masterstroke!
Lmao i don't understand what they are even thinking by trying to cozy upto China? Do they seriously think somehow China will abandon all its ambitions? Also this guy used make theories how China will break apart and US will somehow profit from falling China few years back. And now suddenly he wants US and China to co-operate.
Yeah, Trump daily threatens 200% Tarriff on China, he has Peter Navarro, the "Death by China" guy as chief advisor and we are supposed to believe that US is courting China. Courting for what? What does US has to sell to China? Soyabean? LOL! good luck! Not gonna happen.
Ig they are trying to court China temporarily for rare earth and some other things. China does hold leverage on them. So it makes sense for trump & co to court them even if they don't want to.
 
If he wants Russia to pull out of China's grip.. then what the heck is he trying to achieve by alienating India. And now he is even contradicting himself.. modi dealt a serious blow to DTs ego by refuting his ceasefire claims and not yielding to unfair US demands.
Trump has stated on record that sanctions on India, Russia's 2nd largest oil market, forced Putin to go to Alaska for negotiations. Doval's visit to Moscow in the intervening period likely had something to do with Putin meeting Trump.

Apparently, the US has lost a bunch of experienced India experts since the purge at the State Dept and is pretty much running on the whims of the WH. I'd have hoped Rubio would help Trump think thru the consequences of his actions on Ind-US ties but apparently not.

modi dealt a serious blow to DTs ego by refuting his ceasefire claims and not yielding to unfair US demands.
Trump's driving a hard bargain. Modi held his ground. Let's see what happens next.

As if Russia will trust western block. It would rather be a a hefty voice in Chinese block.. one of the many reasons Russia has maintained a very robust relationship with India ( in public ), to share the pressure.
Russia wants a roll back of US sanctions that have nearly killed its military exports and supply of civil aircraft parts, electronics, etc forcing it to resort to smuggling. Trump seems to have an infatuation with strongmen like Putin so he may cut a deal with him in exchange for Russia agreeing to continue using the dollar for oil trade. There may be other deals in the works. Russia has apparently offered the Americans rare earths as an alternative to China. The very thing that made Trump flip 360 degree on Pak.

What do you guys think about EU- US relationship/ alliance(NATO) ... Will it break by the next decade, in the current form?
With or without the UK, EU is joined at the hip with the Americans for the foreseeable future. Germany is only now starting a rearmament prog after years of budget cuts. Only Poland seems to be in any position to defend itself. Post Ukraine, EU needs the assurance of the US nuke umbrella against Putin. France cannot take over that mantle, at least in the short term.

Look at how the entire EU leadership (including Ursula Von Der Leyen) made a beeline for DC recently to discuss Ukraine's future with Trump.
 
Let them bring their Aircraft Carriers, we are the first country to fight & bring a nuclear nation to its knees, we shall become the first country to drown nuclear powered aircraft carriers.
Absolutely. No country can bully India using its military might. But my point was to prepare for all eventualities just in case Uncle Sam gets naughty.
I think RL is forgetting we weren't a nuclear power in 1971 and we had no ICBM. Today we are far from what we were in 1971. So they won't come at us with military might like good ol'days. Because that has consequences. And they have to justify it in some way. US at worst will try to economically cripple us. Now how much of that will work and how far US would go with that plan, we don't know.
You just never know mate! If America is preparing to vanquish PLA(AF/N) then they may even dare to attack us. Just like they have Guam to contain China, they have Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean specifically to contain us.

My point wasn't that US may or may not attack us but to prepare for all eventualies whether it is economic war or kinetic one.
 
Trump has stated on record that sanctions on India, Russia's 2nd largest oil market, forced Putin to go to Alaska for negotiations. Doval's visit to Moscow in the intervening period likely had something to do with Putin meeting Trump.

Apparently, the US has lost a bunch of experienced India experts since the purge at the State Dept and is pretty much running on the whims of the WH. I'd have hoped Rubio would help Trump think thru the consequences of his actions on Ind-US ties but apparently not.


Trump's driving a hard bargain. Modi held his ground. Let's see what happens next.


Russia wants a roll back of US sanctions that have nearly killed its military exports and supply of civil aircraft parts, electronics, etc forcing it to resort to smuggling. Trump seems to have an infatuation with strongmen like Putin so he may cut a deal with him in exchange for Russia agreeing to continue using the dollar for oil trade. There may be other deals in the works. Russia has apparently offered the Americans rare earths as an alternative to China. The very thing that made Trump flip 360 degree on Pak.


With or without the UK, EU is joined at the hip with the Americans for the foreseeable future. Germany is only now starting a rearmament prog after years of budget cuts. Only Poland seems to be in any position to defend itself. Post Ukraine, EU needs the assurance of the US nuke umbrella against Putin. France cannot take over that mantle, at least in the short term.

Look at how the entire EU leadership (including Ursula Von Der Leyen) made a beeline for DC recently to discuss Ukraine's future with Trump.
Yup. But you can see the fissure. The displeasure. And EU will use all it asset in USA to get a favorable and predictable leftist govt in USA from now on. Basically a non Trump.

But from an Indian pov.. I am kind of confused to give a " good/bad" tag to Trump type USA govt. It might seem bad on paper.. but if utilised properly, it can be the golden chance for India like how golden trilateral came about in sanctions. Then you've got left-liberal of west that's like damaging to India thru and thru.. they speak nice but do bad covertly.

As for the video above from GPF.. the guy says india was a low cost move.. I hope it becomes a very costly move for USA.
An RIC meet? Indian investment into russian economy? starting co-production/ license production of several export worthy miltech projects ( specially for exports ) ?

Open Indian market a tid bit to Chinese as we did, to provide more economic room to China for continuing it's face off with USA. Like Chinese investment in controlled sectors ( manufacturing) .

But I agree with one thing. DIPLOMACY is not about being moral. It's about interests.
 
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Trump has stated on record that sanctions on India, Russia's 2nd largest oil market, forced Putin to go to Alaska for negotiations. Doval's visit to Moscow in the intervening period likely had something to do with Putin meeting Trump.
Trump has also stated on record that Epstine list does not exist. I see no reason to take any of his assertions to be true.

Apparently, the US has lost a bunch of experienced India experts since the purge at the State Dept and is pretty much running on the whims of the WH. I'd have hoped Rubio would help Trump think thru the consequences of his actions on Ind-US ties but apparently not.
India is least of US worries.... It has lost closest ally and neighbour like Canada... Their mutual trade is massive. Not to mention, they share world's longest undefended border... Trump does not understand consequences.... even when they hit him in his face... and then he will blame Biden. Thats how he and America now operates.

I mean, come on, he is same guy who publicly muses how it will feel like to *censored* his own daughter and laments that she is a bit young and is HIS DAUGHTER for him to date and *censored*... Yup this is the guy we are looking at. Trump and Think Thru do not belong in the same sentence.

Trump's driving a hard bargain. Modi held his ground. Let's see what happens next.
I do not really understand what Trump is bargaining for. It is certainly not Russian oil. I guess it is for some kind of personal glory or some shit like that...

You just never know mate! If America is preparing to vanquish PLA(AF/N) then they may even dare to attack us. Just like they have Guam to contain China, they have Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean specifically to contain us.
No. They could not attack North Korea, so forget it. But still a good reason to test those missiles and nukes.
 
Trump has also stated on record that Epstine list does not exist. I see no reason to take any of his assertions to be true.


India is least of US worries.... It has lost closest ally and neighbour like Canada... Their mutual trade is massive. Not to mention, they share world's longest undefended border... Trump does not understand consequences.... even when they hit him in his face... and then he will blame Biden. Thats how he and America now operates.

I mean, come on, he is same guy who publicly muses how it will feel like to *censored* his own daughter and laments that she is a bit young and is HIS DAUGHTER for him to date and *censored*... Yup this is the guy we are looking at. Trump and Think Thru do not belong in the same sentence.


I do not really understand what Trump is bargaining for. It is certainly not Russian oil. I guess it is for some kind of personal glory or some shit like that...


No. They could not attack North Korea, so forget it. But still a good reason to test those missiles and nukes.
To think Unkill will come after India before North Korea is not rational imo. And unkill will never really invade North Korea.
 
Not to mention, they share world's longest undefended border...
I doubt it's of any consequence to USA. Canadas military is basically a dysfunctional nano version of US armed forces. Then mexico really doesn't have any military. All they have are cartels who have already captured American potential by drugging it.

The remotest possibility if China getting into military pact with few of the island nations near USA and station a huge army there. But that's just too difficult for the foreseeable future.

The real way to hurt america is to diminish the hegemony of dollars. A diminishment will have severe impact on its economy and I suppose that now since the tarrifs are out.. if it looks like USA is trying to create more problems, then a BRICS announcement might be around the corner. But I still can't grasp the rationality behind the decisions US would have to make to push India into formal acceptance of dollars alternative. I mean, it's not just USA. But Taiwan, Japan and global south too. They will face sever severe crisis if it happens.
 
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The US under DT is trying to yank Russia out of China's grip. This is a foriegn policy objective Trump has been talking about since his election campaign. The sooner, the better. Sanctions on India will no longer be justifiable for the US. Otoh, India won't have to rely on Chinese investments as much.
Too late for that . The US deliberately kept Russia out of all security arrangements in Europe for the simple reason they wanted to maintain their chokehold over Europe.

Best way to do so was either invent an enemy in Europe or continue as if the old enmity during the Cold War never ended even if the Cold War did.

UK was / is their outpost in Europe to help the US realise its objectives whether in the EU or the European component of NATO.

France realised this pretty early on & sought to create an alternative architecture with Germany which in turn was ambivalent & made the worst of choices running with the hare & hunting with the hound. Sourcing the bulk of its energy from Russia & being part of a coalition which saw Russia as adversarial if not inimical.

Events were designed in such a way as to corner Russia by expanding NATO eastwards. There's a theory which makes immense sense in retrospect that if & when the US went up against China , Russia would prove to be a swing state & very valuable ally to whomever got them on their side .

US calculated the Russians would side with the Chinese. I mean how could they ever come to any other conclusion given what they've been subjecting the Russians to in Europe .

Hence the objective was to degrade Russian capabilities & capacities . How better to do so than with an useful idiot playing the proxy! Enter - Ukraine !!

They made their move in Ukraine & Putin reacted predictably. It's only now they've discovering their own vulnerabilities especially Europe's vulnerabilities along with Russian vulnerabilities & newly found resilience.

Therefore it's all about damage control now.
 
Forget what you know about the US. The very nature of the US has began to change :


The National Guard’s role in law enforcement throughout the country could expand under an executive order signed by President Donald Trump on Monday.

The order requires Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to create a specialized unit within the D.C. National Guard “dedicated to ensuring public safety and order in the nation's capital.”



Hegseth also is charged with establishing “a standing National Guard quick reaction force that shall be resourced, trained and available for rapid nationwide deployment.”

The Pentagon did not immediately have more details on its plans to implement the executive order, saying in an emailed statement Monday afternoon only that it is “reviewing the order and its specific requirements” and “will provide updates or announcements as appropriate.”

It also did not answer a question on how the quick reaction force would differ from the current National Guard Reaction Force, which draws from existing units to respond to emergencies within eight hours.

The executive action comes as Trump has threatened to replicate the National Guard deployments he’s ordered in Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles in other Democratic-run cities, and would represent a major escalation in his use of the military to exact political retribution.

About 2,000 Guardsmen, more than half of whom were sent from out of town by Republican governors, are patrolling D.C. right now. Trump has cast the deployment as necessary to combat rampant crime, but local and federal statistics show violent crime in D.C. is at a 30-year low.

The Guardsmen, some of whom are now armed, are mostly patrolling low-crime tourist areas. They are also preparing to essentially perform community service, such as trash cleanup.

The D.C. deployment came after Trump ordered about 4,000 Guardsmen and 700 Marines to mobilize in Los Angeles earlier this summer in response to protests against his administration’s aggressive immigration raids. Contrary to the administration’s depictions of Los Angeles as consumed by violent rioters, the protests were mostly peaceful and confined to a few blocks downtown.

In recent days, Trump has made clear he plans to expand those types of deployments throughout the country. He has singled out Chicago and New York City, and on Sunday, also threatened to target Baltimore.

“We’re ready to go anywhere,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office during Monday’s executive order signing when asked whether he’s preparing to deploy troops to Chicago.

Trump can unilaterally deploy the National Guard in Washington, D.C., since the district is not a state. But in other jurisdictions, he may be faced with a complex web of legal authorities. For example, the Los Angeles deployment sparked a lawsuit by California officials arguing Trump usurped states’ rights.

Still, Monday’s executive order suggests he is preparing for more widespread Guard deployments.

In addition to creating a standing quick reaction force, the order tasks Hegseth with ensuring Guardsmen across the country are prepared to assist law enforcement with “quelling civil disturbances and ensuring the public safety and order whenever the circumstances necessitate.” Hegseth must also designate “an appropriate number of each state's trained National Guard members to be reasonably available for rapid mobilization” to help law enforcement, the order says.

In the specialized law enforcement unit in the D.C. National Guard, the Guardsmen will be deputized to “enforce federal law,” according to the order.

Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, called Trump’s threats to expand military deployments “unjustified and dangerous.”

“President Trump’s escalating threats directly undermine our foundational value that the military should not be policing civilians, create legal jeopardy for service members and federal agents, and put regular people going about their lives at high risk of having their rights violated,” Shamsi said in a statement Monday. “Governors and other state and local leaders must stay strong and take all lawful measures to protect their residents against the president’s repeated attempts to intimidate us.”

The more I see Trump's antics the more I'm convinced within a year or 2 this man will either get a bullet in his head for his pains or will be impeached .

He's just no concept whatsoever of friends & foes or of strategy. He's simply opened too many fronts simultaneously & having opened them all up at the same time , he doesn't have the slightest clue as to how to resolve it .

Add to this his own megalomania & you've the right recipe for self annihilation. That's where he's headed & in this journey he'd cause enormous harm all around especially to the US .
 
The more I see Trump's antics the more I'm convinced within a year or 2 this man will either get a bullet in his head for his pains or will be impeached .

He's just no concept whatsoever of friends & foes or of strategy. He's simply opened too many fronts simultaneously & having opened them all up at the same time , he doesn't have the slightest clue as to how to resolve it .

Add to this his own megalomania & you've the right recipe for self annihilation. That's where he's headed & in this journey he'd cause enormous harm all around especially to the US .

No Sir , we have to be patient till November 2026

That is when his Republican party will lose in the mid term Elections of US Congress

Already his approval ratings have come down to 40 percent in 7 months

While dealing with a Mad man like Trump , Patience is the key

The US economy is not moving and growing as per Trump's wishes and desires and his tarrifs will increase inflation and create job losses

He has just fired the Federal Reserve Chief for not reducing interest rates

More problems will emerge soon
 
The more I see Trump's antics the more I'm convinced within a year or 2 this man will either get a bullet in his head for his pains or will be impeached .

He's just no concept whatsoever of friends & foes or of strategy. He's simply opened too many fronts simultaneously & having opened them all up at the same time , he doesn't have the slightest clue as to how to resolve it .

Add to this his own megalomania & you've the right recipe for self annihilation. That's where he's headed & in this journey he'd cause enormous harm all around especially to the US .
Internal instability in a country with 150 million armed people? Oh fuc.
 
But from an Indian pov.. I am kind of confused to give a " good/bad" tag to Trump type USA govt. It might seem bad on paper.. but if utilised properly, it can be the golden chance for India like how golden trilateral came about in sanctions. Then you've got left-liberal of west that's like damaging to India thru and thru.. they speak nice but do bad covertly.

This is exactly the best assessment. It is too early to make conclusions. Remember, India had confidence on US when they struck Pakistan in 2019 and recently, both in Trump's administration.
 
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I think RL is forgetting we weren't a nuclear power in 1971 and we had no ICBM. Today we are far from what we were in 1971. So they won't come at us with military might like good ol'days. Because that has consequences. And they have to justify it in some way. US at worst will try to economically cripple us. Now how much of that will work and how far US would go with that plan, we don't know.
If we nuke USA,US will do the same things to India what India going to do to Pakistan if they uses nuke on us.
 
Yup. But you can see the fissure. The displeasure. And EU will use all it asset in USA to get a favorable and predictable leftist govt in USA from now on. Basically a non Trump.
From the US perspective, EU members if NATO have always shirked their responsibility towards the alliance, spending less than the mandated 2% of GDP. This caused a lot of friction between them in Trump's 1st term. Now, Trump is using tarrifs to make EU pay for the largely free ride at American expense.

But from an Indian pov.. I am kind of confused to give a " good/bad" tag to Trump type USA govt. It might seem bad on paper.. but if utilised properly, it can be the golden chance for India like how golden trilateral came about in sanctions. Then you've got left-liberal of west that's like damaging to India thru and thru.. they speak nice but do bad covertly.
Barring red lines like agri and dairy, GoI would be willing to negotiate on most other trade items. We even offered to buy $25b worth of US oil in the last round of negotiations.

Imo, we should cultivate a US think tank to push a pro-India narrative in the Republican camp like the Americans have been doing w/ORF in India. Lobbying isn't proving very effective.
 
Too late for that . The US deliberately kept Russia out of all security arrangements in Europe for the simple reason they wanted to maintain their chokehold over Europe.
Trump is course correcting by keeping Ukraine of NATO. He gets his cut: EU will bankroll $100b of US mil hardware for Ukraine as part of security guarantee.

US calculated the Russians would side with the Chinese. I mean how could they ever come to any other conclusion given what they've been subjecting the Russians to in Europe .

Hence the objective was to degrade Russian capabilities & capacities . How better to do so than with an useful idiot playing the proxy! Enter - Ukraine !!
And how has that worked out for them? Trump is reversing most Biden-era decisions. He's gunning for a Nobel. The Ukrainians have lost most of their military-age men in combat and are now forced to mobilize older people.

Trump is adamant that Ukraine pay for US security assistance. The EU is more circumspect about their chances of winning on the battlefield via their proxy.