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screambowl said:
That's a very childish act what you are doing, and secondly, come with facts like I am providing links. Your rant is not helping any one here. You gibberish posts have to be certainly cherry picked.

Earlier very few IAS/IPS were given foreign postings but now the government has opened up, this is something good they have done, because IAS can read both people and a politician. I am one of them that IFS cadre needs to be deployed in states to understand the nature and tradition of this nation should be trained internally for the first three years in new state where there is a language challenge, this is one advantage India has due to multilingual nation, then should be given a foreign posting under probation and foreign language training. They do get ministries in deputation but then it's not very attractive for them for some partocular reasons.

Real diplomacy is far beyond what you have learnt in your international relations class. You only have the bookish knowledge.
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Well, you think you even know more than Jaishankar about diplomacy. It's only natural you would look down on others.
You are providing links of special cases of non-ifs cadre being sent as an envoy. And through them you're claiming that our foreign policy is set by IAS officers. You're not only cherry picking lines. You're cherry picking events disregarding rest of the things.
If you understood diplomacy, you wouldn't be giving verdict of Indian diplomatic failure while giving clean chit to egoistic 🍊.

Instead of deflecting, it would do you good to " less twitter, more reality".
I have given you full conversation and now you fumble.
 
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Shan said:
The SM algorithms work in their own ways to say that it boils down to one factor is would be missing the mark. There are check marked accounts peddling racism and conspiracy theories that are rampant on SM. They just seized an opportunity and took advantage of their following. Many politicians are simply using it for their advantage. The people in India are left to fend for themselves. India does not take IW seriously as per the MEA and MoD babus so there you go - deal with it.

It was during Sindoor that MEA deigned to setup a fact check account. These are not serious people. The bots from BD and Pak flood social media with their agendas. There are many right wing commentary accounts ,that align with the current effort to malign India, being run from there. A prominent one was exposed recently by an American.
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Yup. And the fact that we don't have our own tech stack makes it even worse. American companies are law bound to help US govt even if it means breach of ethics and privacy.

But it's not just that. Algorithms can be manipulated by developers to increase reach of a certain thought while suppressing others.
And it doesn't help that there's no lack of sellouts in India. Ready to do their masters bidding. The forum is better but still not untouched by twitter gyans.

I had experienced it years ago leading to me deleting my SM.
 
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Subgradewalker said:
If you understood diplomacy, you wouldn't be giving verdict of Indian diplomatic failure while giving clean chit to egoistic 🍊.
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Stop trying to be over smart, no one is giving clear chit to any one, they have their own short comings, but I would rather debate on short comings on this side. I even gave you a solution for better training, now collect these notes, go to your think tank and make points and get tapping on your back.

Subgradewalker said:
You're cherry picking events disregarding rest of the things.
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Your post quality is very bad therefore I have to cherry pick them.

Subgradewalker said:
Instead of deflecting, it would do you good to " less twitter, more reality".
I have given you full conversation and now you fumble.
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You do not post related to subject, from day one you are making personal remarks nothing else. You fumbled that's why you couldn't sleep buddy and wasted your time on screenshots and over smart activities. I again tell you to bring facts and not randomly make gibberish posts.
Subgradewalker said:
American companies are law bound to help US govt even if it means breach of ethics and privacy.
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Chinese profited from American companies. They though through this they will keep the Chinese away from Soviet Union, because India that time backed off from FDI in the name of Swadeshi movement until 91.
 
screambowl said:
Stop trying to be over smart, no one is giving clear chit to any one, they have their own short comings, but I would rather debate on short comings on this side. I even gave you a solution for better training, now collect these notes, go to your think tank and make points and get tapping on your back.



Your post quality is very bad therefore I have to cherry pick them.



You do not post related to subject, from day one you are making personal remarks nothing else. You fumbled that's why you couldn't sleep buddy and wasted your time on screenshots and over smart activities. I again tell you to bring facts and not randomly make gibberish posts.


Chinese profited from American companies.
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😂😂 I can't sleep cause I fumble. Who is writing from your account? Your ghost? You're giving solutions for better training 🤣..? Solutions vs suggestions.. diff things. Just like reality vs theories.
As for the content of your solutions.. it's like you think IFS officers came out of some special place diff then IAS. 🤦


You want to discuss diplomacy but only want to focus on one side ? Facts? You consider your conspiracy theories as facts? Your problem is bigger than we thought.
You remind me of people wearing foil caps trying to save themselves from aliens spying on them .

The post is there for everyone to see. Your theories are too. My arguments too. And I collected them at one place. If I fumbled, I would have cherry picked. Sleep well
 
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Subgradewalker said:
😂😂 I can't sleep cause I fumble. Who is writing from your account? Your ghost?

You want to discuss diplomacy but only want to focus on one side ? Facts? You consider your conspiracy theories as facts? Your problem is bigger than we thought.
You remind me of people wearing foil caps trying to save themselves from aliens spying on them .

The post is there for everyone to see. Your theories are too. Sleep well
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Again not a single fact in your post, hence I have to cherry pick them. Trolling is fine but doesn't suit a guy who boast about his degree in International relations, ending up in childish activities. Good night! :)
 
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Subgradewalker said:
As for the content of your solutions.. it's like you think IFS officers came out of some special place diff then IAS.
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So you edited your post, let me tell you, the principal secretary is an IAS and then Ajit Doval is an IPS. There is a reason why he chose IPS over an IFS for the post of NSA and IMO it must continue. Who was the NSA during 26/11 an IPS and he called all chiefs and intel officers, especially Gen Deepak Kapoor start operations, hell with diplomacy, which led to the creation of TSD. This was told by that officer Col Bakshi on a podcast. I am not making my own.

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After that an IFS guy came in an TSD shut down. The guy remained 4 years as NSA.
 
screambowl said:
So you edited your post, let me tell you, the principal secretary is an IAS and then Ajit Doval is an IPS. There is a reason why he chose IPS over an IFS for the post of NSA and IMO it must continue. Who was the NSA during 26/11 an IPS and he called all chiefs and intel officers, especially Gen Deepak Kapoor start operations, hell with diplomacy, which led to the creation of TSD. This was told by that officer Col Bakshi on a podcast. I am not making my own.

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After that an IFS guy came in an TSD shut down. The guy remained 4 years as NSA.
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This time, you don't have to read my posts even. Just look at your own. You will realise how you have been sounding. More a conspiracy theorist. Not a geopolitical observer.

Putting out videos thats outside of the context and then claiming them as facts vindicating you, is the reason I am asking you to not get your narrative from Twitter.

In your posts you've claimed so far:

1. It's not Jaishankar who decides foreign policy and our multi alignment stance, especially in 2020. But it's the IPS & IAS officers.
But Jaishankar is responsible for our alleged failure of diplomacy.

2. Implied Jaishankar double crossed Modi.

3. Chinese did doklam, srilanka, Maldives because of Jaishankar becoming EAM. And this, he is responsible for their aggression.

4. Pannu case, where five eyes put propagated the narrative of RA&W interference and a person apprehended in Czech was due to Jaishankar. Reason: he was posted once there in service.
And then you claim that you know geopolitics yet couldn't gleam the reason behind five eyes' attack on RA&W.

5. That Congress did MoU with CCP as a maneuver because CCP doesnt recognise British India's borders. Hence they can claim in future that we made agreement with past Congress govts not other govts. So, it was a "workaround".
Is that what you learn? That British India vs Independent India = Congress party vs Other govt of same India.
Now do every party needs to first sign MoU with China before bring allowed to contest elections?

6. ... Well, you can watch video for more.

Note: Did you sleep well? You called me childish but I know what you did lmao. Other might not, but I got the notifications 🤣🤣. Very adult of you.

And yes, I edited my post to add more points. And I knew you would be lurking and you didn't disappoint me. But I slept and couldn't respond to you at that time. I hope you slept well.

P.S. Don't try to sow discord and distrust in others mind about the relationship between ministers and advisors of GOI. One RaGa is enough, he is leaving no stone unturned in destabilizing India and it's democratic stability. Keeping up with the lies even when he has been proven wrong. Same with you.
 
Subgradewalker said:
This time, you don't have to read my posts even. Just look at your own. You will realise how you have been sounding. More a conspiracy theorist. Not a geopolitical observer.

Putting out videos thats outside of the context and then claiming them as facts vindicating you, is the reason I am asking you to not get your narrative from Twitter.
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Again a personal attack.

Subgradewalker said:
1. It's not Jaishankar who decides foreign policy and our multi alignment stance, especially in 2020. But it's the IPS & IAS officers.
But Jaishankar is responsible for our alleged failure of diplomacy.
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Yesterday Indian post decided to suspend most of it's high value service to US. This is a part of foreign trade and foreign policy, but this particular step is not a domain of MEA, the role of MEA here will be to convey the message to the counterpart, but the minister of external affairs itself is a different post which advises the PM and has influence and access to such planning. This shot was definitely not take by MEA but postal services and trade ministry.

indianexpress.com

Tariff fallout: India suspends most postal services to US from August 25

This comes after the US, on July 30, withdrew the duty-free de minimis exemption for goods valued up to $800 from August 29.
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Tere dimag ki batti abhi tak band hai. You are not able to comprehend at all. Go back to your think tanks and learn little more.

Subgradewalker said:
. Implied Jaishankar double crossed Modi.
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No I did not say that, how come you came to this conclusion, did you dream, or on weed or were you drunk?🤤

Subgradewalker said:
Chinese did doklam, srilanka, Maldives because of Jaishankar becoming EAM. And this, he is responsible for their aggression.
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I would like to correct myself here, instead of Doklam, I wanted to write Galwan any ways one is still being negotiated other has been conlcuded during Sushma Swaraj's period. Normally MEA doesn't have access to high grade intel but if there is something compromised it may cause damage.


Subgradewalker said:
Pannu case, where five eyes put propagated the narrative of RA&W interference and a person apprehended in Czech was due to Jaishankar. Reason: he was posted once there in service.
And then you claim that you know geopolitics yet couldn't gleam the reason behind five eyes' attack on RA&W.
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I gave you a pattern. Remember one of the ex intel officials after 20 years claimed that Hamid Ansari botched their cover in Iran. Any thing is possible. You can't run a blind eye in the matter of security.

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From inviting ‘spy’ Pak journalist to not saluting national flag, the controversies haunting Hamid Ansari

Hamid Ansari is once again in the eye of the storm after reports surfaced that he invited a Pakistani journalist to India, who shared information with the ISI. In the past, the former vice-president has been accused of ‘exposing’ R&AW in Iran and holding a ‘secret’ meeting with Pakistan officials
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Subgradewalker said:
That Congress did MoU with CCP as a maneuver because CCP doesnt recognise British India's borders. Hence they can claim in future that we made agreement with past Congress govts not other govts. So, it was a "workaround".
Is that what you learn? That British India vs Independent India = Congress party vs Other govt of same India.
Now do every party needs to first sign MoU with China before bring allowed to contest elections?
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That's how Chinese polit-bureau formulates. Not just them infact Maoists in Nepal day today claim Indian territory as theirs because Treaty of Sugauli was signed between Kingdom of Nepal and British India. Go debate with them not me.

Do you know the Israel and Palastine crisis and the British mendate which ended and led to civil war there? And why was there a need to recognize state of Israel after the British Mandate ended. And why is Israel upset when some european countries do recognize Gaza and Palestine?
 
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screambowl said:
Yesterday Indian post decided to suspend most of it's high value service to US. This is a part of foreign trade and foreign policy, but this particular step is not a domain of MEA, the role of MEA here will be to convey the message to the counterpart, but the minister of external affairs itself is a different post which advises the PM and has influence and access to such planning. This shot was definitely not take by MEA but postal services and trade ministry.
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Dude!! It's not a foreign policy!! Neither a decision arising out of it.
It's a Logistics and Compliance issue.
Similar postal services of UK, JAPAN have taken same decisions. Are you implying that even UK is taking a FP stand by suspending it? !!

That is why, time and again, I am telling you to stop relying on Twitter for logic. 💡👈
screambowl said:
No I did not say that, how come you came to this conclusion, did you dream, or on weed or were you drunk?
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The only thing to understand is that cease fire was too early. PM Modi got double crossed by some one after that and hence Indo US crisis.
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Ofcourse, you will say where is name of Jaishakar.. but for that you will need to see the full Conversation before that. You didn't even spare a podcast interview of Sameer . A podcast led you to beleive some crazy wild theories.
screambowl said:
I would like to correct myself here, instead of Doklam, I wanted to write Galwan any ways one is still being negotiated other has been conlcuded during Sushma Swaraj's period. Normally MEA doesn't have access to high grade intel but if there is something compromised it may cause damage.
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So, doklam and galwan are same? Is India same? Mind you.. EAM was the foreign secretary during Doklam too.
Then you again are saying if something is compromised.. what are you trying to imply here??
screambowl said:
That's how Chinese polit-bureau formulates. Not just them infact Maoists in Nepal day today claim Indian territory as theirs because Treaty of Sugauli was signed between Kingdom of Nepal and British India. Go debate with them not me.

Do you know the Israel and Palastine crisis and the British mendate which ended and led to civil war there? And why was there a need to recognize state of Israel after the British Mandate ended. And why is Israel upset when some european countries do recognize Gaza and Palestine?
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Dude!!
Just answer me this.
Is British India same as independent India and how does a secret mou between two parties will help here?


Now do I need to copy paste each and every statement of yours ? That's why I have provided you our Convo at a single place. You gotta read your own posts man.


For your own convenience.
 
I have posted this video to the Russo-Ukraine war thread. However, I will a copy here as well so that it can be taken into account when discussing the Indo-US trade tussle.

 

The trade rift between India and the US will escalate on August 27, when US President Donald Trump's latest tariff hike takes effect. The Trump administration announced an additional 25 per cent duty on Indian exports, doubling the overall levy to 50 per cent.

Tariff hike: From August 27, Indian goods entering the US will face a total tariff of 50 per cent. This doubles the existing 25 per cent rate and covers a wide basket of products.
 
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I have saying this for years on this very site that America is our biggest covert enemy only to be mocked by pro-Yankee lobby here. My same reply was to all members who wanted IAF to procure F-35s.

It is good that Trump's tantrums(or hidden motives) have unmasked the real America to our authorities who saw duing and post the latest Ops that who are our real friends and enemies when sh*t hits the fan.

Sooner or later, we need to prepare for a war with US. It could be 1971 redux, who knows?
 
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