You still didn't get the context. I am highlighting the kind of people at the helm in US'. READ.
Why do you have such mindset of thinking that whites can't make error?
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Why do you have such mindset of thinking that whites can't make error?
HAHAHAHAHAHA! This is one fine kettle of fish.... Father a former Russian aircraft designed (IL-76 no less) and mother an israeli... apparently his father worked closely with Israeli intelligence. I wonder if he is some kind of double agent himself. He recruited all of trump's henchmen. Whom he really serves? And why do I see BiBi's paw all over him?
I never contradicted my self read the post again. You are the one contradicting yourself.
Then you said this
And as I said earlier IAS can handle diplomacy very well. Again another example
IAS officer Senthil Pandian appointed as India's envoy to WTO | Delhi News - Times of India
The Indian government has appointed IAS officer Senthil Pandian as the country's ambassador to the World Trade Organization (WTO). He will replace Brajendra Navnit and lead India's negotiations until the ministerial meeting in February. Read more about this appointment.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Proves my point:
Example: the new US envoy to new Delhi is again not a career diplomat.
I never called it a strategic brilliance, I called it a test. You are calling it a strategic brilliance and linking with my posts. Below is what I said with examples. And you call these examples as conspiracy theory. So Instrument accession is a conspiracy theory, and 1898 between Qing China and Britain is a conspiracy theory?
You are the one who said it is to avoid unnecessary paper work and just to show the tradition and culture and then I corrected it and said it is a bilateral paper work and not easy, it has got very severe changes in geo politics if the old signed treaties get suspended. Below you can read
So I again say, visit those think thanks and clear your doubts and if they can't then I can accept you as my student as well.
NSA Ajit Doval meeting Putin is the real cause why US will rethink it's diplomatic maneuver with an another democratic nation. S Jaishanker was made Minister for a change and because of Howdy Modi event's success.
Since you will not stop cherry picking lines from big Convo and the context, I have taken a SS of our every post during our Convo in our thread.I never contradicted my self read the post again. You are the one contradicting yourself.
Then you said this
And as I said earlier IAS can handle diplomacy very well. Again another example
IAS officer Senthil Pandian appointed as India's envoy to WTO | Delhi News - Times of India
The Indian government has appointed IAS officer Senthil Pandian as the country's ambassador to the World Trade Organization (WTO). He will replace Brajendra Navnit and lead India's negotiations until the ministerial meeting in February. Read more about this appointment.
Proves my point:
Example: the new US envoy to new Delhi is again not a career diplomat.
I never called it a strategic brilliance, I called it a test. You are calling it a strategic brilliance and linking with my posts. Below is what I said with examples. And you call these examples as conspiracy theory. So Instrument accession is a conspiracy theory, and 1898 between Qing China and Britain is a conspiracy theory?
You are the one who said it is to avoid unnecessary paper work and just to show the tradition and culture and then I corrected it and said it is a bilateral paper work and not easy, it has got very severe changes in geo politics if the old signed treaties get suspended. Below you can read
So I again say, visit those think thanks and clear your doubts and if they can't then I can accept you as my student as well.
Please read everything and always keep the context in mind.
After that, check several key terms:
Diplomat, diplomacy, negotiation, foreign policy, EAM, Ambassador, envoy, special envoy , defense attachè, NSA and their roles.
Do a rough calculation on how many IAS/IPS officers have been posted outside, in what capacity and why.
Then find out how many IFS officers were posted alongside them.
Compare that to number of IAS/IPS officers in India and think why isn't IFS just closed down and IAS officers assume the role mid-career. Why IFS trainee officer gets different training than his counterpart in other services.
Have some common sense and you will get to the answer why IFS officer dont become collector. And why in special cases non-IFS are given responsibility. It's nothing to do with IAS being superior, otherwise IFS, IAS, IPS will not get different training. And every IFS officer will be from IAS cadre.
Then understand the bench strength of IFS, IAS and IPS. Then you maybe will realise how MEA is rather understaffed and asking them to go serve another ministry on deputation (which they do- we only have news of high posts, not junior) will diminish the operational efficiency.
People have got to understand that despite being a career diplomats, EAM is a govt post. An "elected" leader. So, he will work very much according to the govts agenda.
And when we talk about IR, diplomacy is much bigger than back room talks. Here a nation deals with another nation. It's not Modi-Trump trade negotiation or Jaishankar, Piyush- Lutnick, rubio negotiation. It's India-USA. So, each and every thing that's put out in public domain is the part of diplomacy and it's done deliberately. Diplomacy doesn't start or end with one talk or interview.
When Modi makes speech from Red fort and asks for home grown facebook, twitter etc.. it's also a part of diplomacy by sending a message to USA that you have very much at stake too.
And in Indian foreign policy.. EAM always have oversight of PM when it comes to stance on FP. It's like Rajnath singh will always consult with PM before setting defense priorities.
And the reason behind that is not only hierarchy but there are many confidential and public agencies/ missions that are directly managed by PMO. And things like FP, DP can't be effectively made without their inputs.
Although I believe India's security apparatus needs a rehaul by merging intelligence from several agencies due fragmented nature of our apparatus.
And when we talk about IR, diplomacy is much bigger than back room talks. Here a nation deals with another nation. It's not Modi-Trump trade negotiation or Jaishankar, Piyush- Lutnick, rubio negotiation. It's India-USA. So, each and every thing that's put out in public domain is the part of diplomacy and it's done deliberately. Diplomacy doesn't start or end with one talk or interview.
When Modi makes speech from Red fort and asks for home grown facebook, twitter etc.. it's also a part of diplomacy by sending a message to USA that you have very much at stake too.
And in Indian foreign policy.. EAM always have oversight of PM when it comes to stance on FP. It's like Rajnath singh will always consult with PM before setting defense priorities.
And the reason behind that is not only hierarchy but there are many confidential and public agencies/ missions that are directly managed by PMO. And things like FP, DP can't be effectively made without their inputs.
Although I believe India's security apparatus needs a rehaul by merging intelligence from several agencies due fragmented nature of our apparatus.
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Elon described him as a snake, hope government chenge won't be his agenda or mission in India.
For all his Bollywoodiya antics, Garcetti, the previous ambassador, had some charisma. But ultimately he got so frustrated towards the end of his term that he chose to quit.
Will this new guy succeed where Garcetti failed? Probably not.
Will this new guy succeed where Garcetti failed? Probably not.
He is also the envoy to south asia. So there's definitely some covert agenda he brings along with him.
And going by current scenario of RAGAs antics and lies matching to classic CIA textbook play.. well, you know. BJP has got their work cut out for them. They are failing against disinfo campaign.
The way MEA is going to deal with this. Welcome him with song and dance routine.
After that, he will not get any appointments with any ministers and will be told 'sorry, schedule is very busy. please attend this party, its very happening. ' Indian bureaucracy is excellent at this and has done this before.
Fed will cut rates in sept.
India is on defensive it is not taking any action that will immediately impact US, thats why US is emboldened. Even countries like mexico & canada which depend on initially imposed counter tariffs and later reversed it , some intention was shown. But India has been doing only diplomatic break dance. Which means its all hot air and their calculation is that India will capitulate at some point in time still holds good.
But there is a difference unlike career diplomats , these are political appointees they will create problems as they have political backing , they will be not rational, they will take bombastic action to gain focus Its simply better not have such ppl here.
He can meat opposition leaders without any obstacles, thats what is worrying me.
Nah! It's all medias game. Diaspora is too big to blanket term them.
Leftist are just jealous cause modi turned diaspora into an asset. And those leftist in cahoots with white media preachers don't like other Indians getting govt recognition and support. It was supposed to be their birthright to have wine with envoys and PM in Plane.
As for recent racism has to do with Trump election campaign than Indians.
RUbbish hit job by print.
The SM algorithms work in their own ways to say that it boils down to one factor is would be missing the mark. There are check marked accounts peddling racism and conspiracy theories that are rampant on SM. They just seized an opportunity and took advantage of their following. Many politicians are simply using it for their advantage. The people in India are left to fend for themselves. India does not take IW seriously as per the MEA and MoD babus so there you go - deal with it.
It was during Sindoor that MEA deigned to setup a fact check account. These are not serious people. The bots from BD and Pak flood social media with their agendas. There are many right wing commentary accounts ,that align with the current effort to malign India, being run from there. A prominent one was exposed recently by an American.
That's a very childish act what you are doing, and secondly, come with facts like I am providing links. Your rant is not helping any one here. You gibberish posts have to be certainly cherry picked.
Earlier very few IAS/IPS were given foreign postings but now the government has opened up, this is something good they have done, because IAS can read both people and a politician. I am one of them that IFS cadre needs to be deployed in states to understand the nature and tradition of this nation should be trained internally for the first three years in new state where there is a language challenge, this is one advantage India has due to multilingual nation, then should be given a foreign posting under probation and foreign language training. They do get ministries in deputation but then it's not very attractive for them for some partocular reasons.
Real diplomacy is far beyond what you have learnt in your international relations class. You only have the bookish knowledge.