Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

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Ashwin said:
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ThePrint Exclusive: Asim Munir’s India nuke threat from US ballroom—‘will take half the world down’

Speaking at black-tie dinner in Tampa, Pakistan army chief Asim Munir, ThePrint has learnt, also said, ‘we will wait for India to build a dam, and when it does so, we will destroy it with ten missiles’.
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This guy is extremely dangerous!
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They went into the storeroom, dusted out brinkmanship and put it on display again. Pak is cornered and they know it. They are trying to bluff out of it. Let them rant, build those dams, keep the modernization plan on track and watch them melt.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
US will not give any such equipment because Chinese personnel are present all over Pakistan
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It was in jest.
But there's something to wonder about the nature of Pakistan's sovereignty tho.
CENTCOM have constant presence on pakistani soil, they oversee their F-16s too. Then Chinese got their personnel overseeing their projects.

It's like every major power have divided pakistani territory / domain for their use. While Chinese have sights on Paks eastern flank.. US is more concerned about its western flank. A security nightmare for India.
You don't know who you will bomb the Chinese or the American assets 😂. High time India have its own personnel in pak territory. Let's get kartarpur sahib to station our sikh regiment
 
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It was in jest.
But there's something to wonder about the nature of Pakistan's sovereignty tho.
CENTCOM have constant presence on pakistani soil, they oversee their F-16s too. Then Chinese got their personnel overseeing their projects.

It's like every major power have divided pakistani territory / domain for their use. While Chinese have sights on Paks eastern flank.. US is more concerned about its western flank. A security nightmare for India.
You don't know who you will bomb the Chinese or the American assets 😂. High time India have its own personnel in pak territory. Let's get kartarpur sahib to station our sikh regiment
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I hope Russia Ukraine war comes to an end and we sort out our trade issues with US

Then we can again have a Go at Pakistan

So then there will be No US meddling
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
I hope Russia Ukraine war comes to an end and we sort out our trade issues with US

Then we can again have a Go at Pakistan

So then there will be No US meddling
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I believe there might be larger things at play with recent us diktat than Russian war.

What OP sindoor does is that, it puts onus on USA&China to leash their dog if they want nuclear stability. In past everytime, they pressured India to deescalate or not take military action. All under guise of nuclear fear while they gave cover to Pakistan. For all their talk about Non proliferation, they let pak get away even after AQ Khan network and paks implicitly, because it was convenient for them. USA knows that, hence you see them pressuring India which is easier than owing upto their own actions and take responsibility for it.

Now, with the doctrine of terror attack leading to retaliation from India will flip this narrative. They will want to test India once more to see if it's all bluff. But if we stick to this new doctrine, it will put west on backfoot and expose their hypocrisy. Then Munir can take half the world down with him for all we care, that's for half the world to solve the pak issue.

They forget that if pak fires even one nuclear weapon, India will too. But here we have RG asking what kind of deterrence is this...only the best kind.
 
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It looks like US wants India to be involved in a conflict in a way such that it affects our economy. Pakistan is doing everything possible to instigate a retaliation. A BAT attack with 1 soldier KIA , 2 KIA during Kulgam encounter. We know where these bastar*s are coming from - but - we are reactive as usual, until the next big thing happens and a *lot* of lives are lost. We have the chance to completely decapitate Pakistan where they are not able to fight a war - this will ensure US and China understands that they cannot keep using Pak as a proxy to keep India down. Waiting for our Babus to realise this and take action.
 
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If there's a major terrorist attack, and we don't get meaningful support from the US, then there will be a much more serious recalibration of Indo-US partnership.
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That's a given. The next conflict whenever it starts will see Pakistan having full backing of US. That's all the more reason to go super hard at Pakistan to send a message across to US - F.A.F.O :)
 
India needs time till mid sep to let monsoons be over to take on Pakistan in a full scale war. India's Northwest gets lots of rains in Monsoons and even the central India is inundated due to heavy rains creating problems in rapid deployment of forces. Pakistan has an advantage due to its size and lay of land. They can mobilise very fast. This BAT action was part of one such tactics to force India into an all out war before 15th sep, The aim was to again take heads as trophies to be displayed on social media to force India to retaliate. The game plan of Pakistan is to create a major event which will surely force India into retaliation and using that as an excuse, they will launch pre-emptive strike on our major bases and also along land border around Gurdaspur to occupy some of our land even before Indian Armed forces can react to the ground invasion. After that they will again go and sit in the lap of USA to ask for a ceasefire. If Pak succeeds in this game plan, it will be firstever time that we will have a ceasefire with Pakistan sitting on our land. This will give a major tactical victory to Pakistan and leave India especially Modi with muck on his face. This is something we need to find an answer to and I suggest that with immidiate effect we must do away with strike Corps and reorganise them into offensive divisions and placed with Piovt corps which already have IBGs. The aim should be to strike on a very large front in Punjab thru IBGs and let these offensive divisions go thru the holes punched by the IBGs with pivot corps moving up with these offensive divisions.
Please remember that this game of another majar terror strike followed by pre-emptive strike by Pakistan is completely in the hands of Pakistan. They can choose the time and place, we Can't. So we need to be very well prepared. Somehow, Indian Army has been found wanting in Op Sindoor as they asked for the longest time to get ready for war. IN & IAF were ready much faster. In particular, IN can go into action in less than 15 mins not only thru its warships but also thru its Brahmos coastal batteries. IN today is the only service in India which has the 800km range Brahmos missiles. IAF and IA have the older versions. Sitting in Okha, IN can strike beyond Gwader. IAF will need 4 hrs to launch Brahmos-A. While IN can do it within 15 minutes.
 
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India needs time till mid sep to let monsoons be over to take on Pakistan in a full scale war. India's Northwest gets lots of rains in Monsoons and even the central India is inundated due to heavy rains creating problems in rapid deployment of forces. Pakistan has an advantage due to its size and lay of land. They can mobilise very fast. This BAT action was part of one such tactics to force India into an all out war before 15th sep, The aim was to again take heads as trophies to be displayed on social media to force India to retaliate. The game plan of Pakistan is to create a major event which will surely force India into retaliation and using that as an excuse, they will launch pre-emptive strike on our major bases and also along land border around Gurdaspur to occupy some of our land even before Indian Armed forces can react to the ground invasion. After that they will again go and sit in the lap of USA to ask for a ceasefire. If Pak succeeds in this game plan, it will be firstever time that we will have a ceasefire with Pakistan sitting on our land. This will give a major tactical victory to Pakistan and leave India especially Modi with muck on his face. This is something we need to find an answer to and I suggest that with immidiate effect we must do away with strike Corps and reorganise them into offensive divisions and placed with Piovt corps which already have IBGs. The aim should be to strike on a very large front in Punjab thru IBGs and let these offensive divisions go thru the holes punched by the IBGs with pivot corps moving up with these offensive divisions.
Please remember that this game of another majar terror strike followed by pre-emptive strike by Pakistan is completely in the hands of Pakistan. They can choose the time and place, we Can't. So we need to be very well prepared. Somehow, Indian Army has been found wanting in Op Sindoor as they asked for the longest time to get ready for war. IN & IAF were ready much faster. In particular, IN can go into action in less than 15 mins not only thru its warships but also thru its Brahmos coastal batteries. IN today is the only service in India which has the 800km range Brahmos missiles. IAF and IA have the older versions. Sitting in Okha, IN can strike beyond Gwader. IAF will need 4 hrs to launch Brahmos-A. While IN can do it within 15 minutes.
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The only part I am not so sure about is USA being in a position to broker a ceasefire with Pak during the next conflict. India will have no incentive to do so given what happened last time. OTOH, it will be fun to see USoA getting black faced when their pet gets shoved down the drain and sealed off with cement by IN! They didn't get chance last time, will surely be used during the next conflict.
 
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The only part I am not so sure about is USA being in a position to broker a ceasefire with Pak during the next conflict. India will have no incentive to do so given what happened last time. OTOH, it will be fun to see USoA getting black faced when their pet gets shoved down the drain and sealed off with cement by IN! They didn't get chance last time, will surely be used during the next conflict.
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Dont forget the sea dragon. It will definitely send subs in IOR and research vessels too.

So, IN should be getting into war time mode right now to maintain 24/7 Operational readiness. So, even the Chinese don't have time to provide cover for their client.

This time, we need to actively engaged with Taliban and even provide them support. Gone are the days of moral virtue signalling. World is moving towards real politik.
And everything fair game now.

If USA can back Pakistan who proliferated nuclear technology to Iran, Libya etc.. then time for India to shed it meekness.

Need to engage the sore points of every party with ulterior motives against us. They did not consider India's security concerns in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Time for backdoor channels with Afghanistan, greece, cyprus, armenia, Cambodia, Iran.

And for a brief period of time, let China leading the SCO/Brics when it comes to Anti-US rhetoric. In open diplomacy, better to intensify partnerships with AU, EU ( France, italy) , South Africa, Indonesia and Singapore.


For rest, the current pace is okay.
 
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It looks like US wants India to be involved in a conflict in a way such that it affects our economy. Pakistan is doing everything possible to instigate a retaliation. A BAT attack with 1 soldier KIA , 2 KIA during Kulgam encounter. We know where these bastar*s are coming from - but - we are reactive as usual, until the next big thing happens and a *lot* of lives are lost. We have the chance to completely decapitate Pakistan where they are not able to fight a war - this will ensure US and China understands that they cannot keep using Pak as a proxy to keep India down. Waiting for our Babus to realise this and take action.
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But wouldn't that be a strategic nightmare for USA. And even if they wanna drag india in a war of attrition, that's only possible with China.

As far as pak goes, any war of attrition will only give Iran a wonderous opportunity to kick back at uncle Sam. Russia won't miss this chance either. It can be through an Iranian nuke test too. All this while USA seets far from all this. That's their biggest advantage.

But you can expect that if India gets dragged into war, it will either swiftly neutralize Pakistan. Or if US/China provides back channel support for longer attrition.. then I don't see any reason for China to wait any more in it's plan to annex Taiwan. And that in itself is a strategic nightmare for USA.

Both in the Pacific and west Asia. If a prez clamoring for Nobel and No war.. drags the world in nuclear conflict through his policies... I doubt USA will be able to retain its position anymore.

As for economy.. I don't know why, but my guts says that if a war happens.. it will provide india benefits in long term. The NGOs will come out. Their bakers attempting to exploit fault lines will surface. And the economy can be solidified with buildup of industrial complex.

India isn't Russia. Even USA, EU can't support pak operationally , directly risking Russian advances in their homes. And even for China, a tattered India will do more harm then good. They are already having problems containing xinjiang , tibet etc.. only way for Han dynasty to strengthen control will be through Pacific. Not Himalayas.

Meanwhile, India is definitely lacking right now.. but a war will force all pseudo liberals to comply with India when their existence is taking stake. Cause all their importance comes from a strong india. Wether they like it or not. Otherwise they were just considered as dogs wagging tail
 
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