They parrot the same claim, but when i ask for sat images, they start sending me videos. One guy consistently refused to provide any sat images, claiming videos are sufficient, even then he failed to offer videos to max claims he made. Furthermore, the ones he did are either old videos or are of a separate incident. You push them on satellite images and they will say "Endia has refused 3rd parties from accessing satellite images of their bases". I asked the same guy why China, which has 100 times better C4 ISR capabilities not providing sat images to its ally, and the answer never came back. One guy claimed the responsibility of providing evidence of an S-400 kill lies with India, and they can't provide evidence, as that will negatively impact Pakistan's relationship with Russia. In the end, you will realize that its impossible to debate Pakistanis as there mind is so warped on ISPR propaganda that none could even dare to ask for some evidence on Bunyan Chaddi from their Jarnails.
Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan
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This is the reason porks were so obsessed with claims of taking out S 400...........Center of Gravity hurt them really bad 
........look like India had enough of Trump’s BS.......likely why the specific western plane shot down details weren’t made public earlier.
........look like India had enough of Trump’s BS.......likely why the specific western plane shot down details weren’t made public earlier.
If u guys remember I had given u an source based info that we shot down 6 of their jets and that is why PAF spoke of 6 aircraft of IAF. They could have easily said 8-10 also but why only six? It was because they lost 6 of their own. Any PAF aircraft which came within 100kms of Indian Border was shot down. They were well inside their own territory. It was for this reason that all those PL-15s fired at our aircraft failed to hit any of our aircraft and were recovered nearly intact. The J-10C which fired them and the AEWC aircraft guiding them were shot down the same night. I had very strongly told you that the so called pics of a shot down Rafale were a deep fake.
Now we have one more confirmation about zero loss of our aircraft on 6-7th night. It came from Trump, he was the first one to disclose openly that total 5 jets were downed that night. Now that Our CAS has confirmed that they were all PAF aircraft, does anyone here still believes the Rafale shot down stupidity.
Now we have one more confirmation about zero loss of our aircraft on 6-7th night. It came from Trump, he was the first one to disclose openly that total 5 jets were downed that night. Now that Our CAS has confirmed that they were all PAF aircraft, does anyone here still believes the Rafale shot down stupidity.
A few journos live tweeted about PAF losses. There was also a very credible source who directly answered me “the only way to get 100% confirmation is if either PAF admits, or we have someone on site to physically confirm but all indicators strongly suggest we took down a 16”.
If you remember a few journos also gloated it’s our turn to give tea. Then suddenly there was silence. Tweets deleted. It’s more and more evident that US was bringing down pressure on India. India went about doing it’s thing but chose to keep silent to not raise public hysteria on either side.
My guess is Trump got pissed when PAF decided it had enough and India made a few fun moves. Americans think differently and them hearing India targeted Pak strategic infra was the red line.
Trump came down hard and asked India to stop. The post action claims mismatch again did not sit well with him. Hence the punitive economic moves.
Munir is on his second trip there. He wants US help to rebuild Pak AD, improve PAF capabilities. But as he will find out Trump doesn’t give free lunches.
The burning question for Pak and China is actual Indian losses. They are still guessing and don’t have any meaningful proofs which is sad for a wannabe superpower that it’s BDA skills are so lacking.
This doesn’t absolve India of its mistakes. Pak will learn from its blunders and improve. Question is will we?
Op Sindoor had limited objective. Once the objective is achieved, we must disengage and if the adversary refuses to disengage, then escalation matrix domination is the only way out. This is what our forces did exactly. They dominated and increased the cost every day in retaliation to what Pak did. Finally they were forced to blink and ask for ceasefire. So I will call Op Sindoor a text book case to be studied by the militaries world over.
Info : Restrictions on IAF were self imposed by IAF . Political will was on the dot with full freedom. Self restraint by IAF is to control the escalation matrix and to be mature about it.
If that was the case then I think IAF assumed the following things and made a huge mistake in the assessing the enemy (for May 6-7 operation):
Assumptions of IAF:
- PAF would be caught off guard just like it happened during 2019 Balakot operation and hence IAF will have a free run to attack targets in PAK territory.
- PAF would not fire at IAF jets if the latter remain within their own territory.
- If IAF carries huge strike package, the PAF will get scared and run away.
The S-400s 40N6 LR SAM apparently has both ARH + command guidance. That would explain why it could overcome Pakistani ECM and take down HVA ELINT/Erieye and 5 other jets. Guess which other SAM in our inventory has a similar guidance package - Akash Mk1S.
I take my words back about S-400 being a bad purchase.
I take my words back about S-400 being a bad purchase.
A good purchase but will lock India out of western systems. Present day relations with the US don’t look like any more waivers coming India’s way
The number 5 is just too nice. The moment Trump mentioned that 5 jets were down, immediately many guys at Pak-Deaf(ening)-Forum said that it was a vindication that at least 5 of our jets were down. Now our Air Chief throws the same number 5. Both can play the game while revealing absolutely nothing. 
The only US alternative is SM-2 Block 4 which is not available in a land-based version. We didn't want a pure BMD system like THAAD. SM-3/Typhon is also unlikely.
With the current Indo-US spat, the F-35s fate is pretty much sealed. The IAF won't compromise on opsec/access control/in-service modifications.
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Has IAF mentioned if or when they're going to release evidence? Sat image, crash site pics, radar signatures, etc?
Without attaching appropriate evidence no one outside India will believe it. Pakistan didn't either, but there's atleast 3 crash site pics floating around on the internet which gives their claims credibility.
India so far has none, which is hard to believe in this day and age of smartphones and social media.
Without attaching appropriate evidence no one outside India will believe it. Pakistan didn't either, but there's atleast 3 crash site pics floating around on the internet which gives their claims credibility.
India so far has none, which is hard to believe in this day and age of smartphones and social media.
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