Taiwan - China Brewing Conflict : Discussions

Within this decade, China will still retain a significant inferiority over the US. And this could go on at least until 2035 or so. The Chinese don't have an answer to American SSNs, the B-21, and LRASM, whereas the Americans have an answer to every weapon the Chinese possess.

So even if China takes Taiwan, best case for them could be a Pyrrhic victory, with most of their ships sunk and shipbuilding, logistics, and ports damanged or destroyed.

What works against the Chinese is a lot of their trade is now dependent on high technology trade to non-American countries, so the infra related to that can be attacked.
Post-2035 won't Chinese society be facing massive economic issues as a result of their demographics? What is the realistic timeframe for a Chinese invasion, should they choose. I know they were given the famous 2027 deadline to be ready, but what is actually practical? Even if it is more assured, will they have the capacity to wage a costly war, when they are experiencing economic setbacks and all sorts of societal problems from not having a lot of young people? 10 years for Taiwan to continue to prep is also a hazard.

Xi Jinping will be in his 80s in 2035, do you think he will retain power that long?

Congress gave the Executive some additional powers to deal with insurgencies after 9/11, not conventional warfare.

The president is legally bound to go to war as per the Congress' demands. He can veto it, but Congress can veto his veto. If he refuses even after that, Congress can impeach him. So warfare is not up to the president. While the president can decide on what actions and strategies to use, the finances are determined by Congress.

As for ignoring the WPA, that's after the president has taken action, then Congress issues a joint resolution. Meaning, the president has to inform the Congress about any armed action taken within 48 hours after it was carried out for the resolution to go through. But going to war with a near-peer or even a peer requires massive funding, which only Congress can clear. Which means, if Trump decides to sit on his a**, Congress will decide for him, and that becomes the will of the people.
I get that you’ve watched Schoolhouse Rock, but your take is too basic. I’m talking about how the U.S. actually wages war, not a classroom version. The president has all the practical power to wage war, not congress. There is a reason he is called the Commander-in-Chief.

For the War Powers Act, most Presidents ignore it. The law says that the President must notify congress within 48 hours of deployment and that troops must be withdrawn within 60 days without congressional approval. Yet Clinton in Kosovo, Obama in Libya, and Regan in Lebanon & Grenada all violated the WPA. I was wrong about Trump, by the way, his actions in Syria also violated these limits. None of the above faced any consequences. If Presidents routinely disregard restrictions on military action, why would they suddenly obey a demand to start a war?

Congressional authorization is mostly a formality. Presidents don’t wait for Congress - they deploy forces under vague justifications, create facts on the ground, and put lawmakers in a position where refusing authorization means abandoning troops mid-operation, which is politically impossible. For example George HW Bush in the 1991 Gulf War who had over half a million troops lined up on the border of Iraq and invaded in less than 5 days after Congress formally granted approval. In reality, Congress doesn’t decide when the U.S. goes to war - it rubber-stamps conflicts already in motion.

Now, let’s say Congress did authorize war against the White House’s wishes - the President could delay, stall, or execute it on his terms against Congressional intent. Congress controls funding, sure, but signing off on a war budget doesn’t force the President to act. A full-scale conflict, especially against China or Russia, requires more than just funding - it needs strategy, troop movements, and operational decisions that only the Commander-in-Chief can make. Also, there’s no legal mechanism to compel a President beyond political pressure or impeachment, and impeachment has never removed a president.

And to be clear - Congress has zero authority to deploy or command the military. This isn't some feel good will of the people thing. If a President refuses to escalate a conflict, Congress can’t force the troops to move.
 
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Post-2035 won't Chinese society be facing massive economic issues as a result of their demographics? What is the realistic timeframe for a Chinese invasion, should they choose. I know they were given the famous 2027 deadline to be ready, but what is actually practical? Even if it is more assured, will they have the capacity to wage a costly war, when they are experiencing economic setbacks and all sorts of societal problems from not having a lot of young people? 10 years for Taiwan to continue to prep is also a hazard.

They are using automation to make up for the gap in labor availability.

There is no practical deadline for an invasion, they simply don't have the experience necessary. In terms of hardware, they will probably be prepared in 2027 or 2028 at worst. But preparing is one thing and executing is another. And although they are facing population issues, they also have excessive unemployed men that can be put to use. So China as a military threat will likely be perpetual; excessive men today, combat robots tomorrow.

As for Taiwan's modernization, we know what they are trying to accomplish in the next 2-3 years in preparation for the invasion. We don't have sufficient information on their plans beyond that. For example, their 2022-26 plan was to produce 1000+ missiles of various types every year, and they reached that number last year, 2 years before schedule. They are naturally not going to stop, and could even scale up beyond that. And this does not include imported weapons. Similarly, their F-16 upgrade and new purchases are set to end in 2026. Abrams by 2026. HIMARS by 2026. Harpoons by 2026. PAC-3 MSE by 2026. And so on.

Most of those are for Phase 1. There's also a Phase 2 by 2028, which we are not privy to.

Xi Jinping will be in his 80s in 2035, do you think he will retain power that long?

Depends on how desperate he is to leave a mark in history.

I get that you’ve watched Schoolhouse Rock, but your take is too basic. I’m talking about how the U.S. actually wages war, not a classroom version. The president has all the practical power to wage war, not congress. There is a reason he is called the Commander-in-Chief.

For the War Powers Act, most Presidents ignore it. The law says that the President must notify congress within 48 hours of deployment and that troops must be withdrawn within 60 days without congressional approval. Yet Clinton in Kosovo, Obama in Libya, and Regan in Lebanon & Grenada all violated the WPA. I was wrong about Trump, by the way, his actions in Syria also violated these limits. None of the above faced any consequences. If Presidents routinely disregard restrictions on military action, why would they suddenly obey a demand to start a war?

It depends on how those wars were defined. The president can run some operations without Congress approval.

To wage war against a large adversary, they need to leverage funding versus small operations that they can afford with just their defense budget. Recall how Trump struggled to get some Covid relief passed through Congress which Biden did post elections? The president can't move money at that level.

Congressional authorization is mostly a formality. Presidents don’t wait for Congress - they deploy forces under vague justifications, create facts on the ground, and put lawmakers in a position where refusing authorization means abandoning troops mid-operation, which is politically impossible. For example George HW Bush in the 1991 Gulf War who had over half a million troops lined up on the border of Iraq and invaded in less than 5 days after Congress formally granted approval. In reality, Congress doesn’t decide when the U.S. goes to war - it rubber-stamps conflicts already in motion.

Now, let’s say Congress did authorize war against the White House’s wishes - the President could delay, stall, or execute it on his terms against Congressional intent. Congress controls funding, sure, but signing off on a war budget doesn’t force the President to act. A full-scale conflict, especially against China or Russia, requires more than just funding - it needs strategy, troop movements, and operational decisions that only the Commander-in-Chief can make. Also, there’s no legal mechanism to compel a President beyond political pressure or impeachment, and impeachment has never removed a president.

And to be clear - Congress has zero authority to deploy or command the military. This isn't some feel good will of the people thing. If a President refuses to escalate a conflict, Congress can’t force the troops to move.

That's the opposite of what you are arguing though. As per you, the president can launch an attack and pull the US into a war. Okay, granted. Congress can deem the action illegal though. And if they have enough votes, they can impeach the president.

But if the president plans to be passive in Taiwan, Congress can start the war anyway, and legally the president will be required to go to war.

Impeachment will work in this case. If both the Republicans and Democrats want war and Trump wants to sit out, and the Congress pushes for war via vote and it goes through, that means they have all the votes necessary to impeach Trump. So Congress can can vote to remove the president and install a more pliable leader in his position.

Btw, Gulf War was a defensive war, which the president has the authority to do without Congressional approval.
 


Taiwan’s failure to secure a trade deal with Donald Trump before his August 1 deadline has deepened fears that Washington could water down security support for Taipei to smooth relations with Beijing.Taiwan — the world’s most important chip manufacturer and the seventh-largest US trading partner — was one of the first countries to start talks with Washington after Trump unveiled his “liberation day” tariffs in April.Despite those efforts, Trump on Thursday imposed a 20 per cent tariff on imports from Taiwan. The levies are due to take effect next week.The new rate comes at a sensitive time for Taiwan. President Lai is embroiled in a bitter battle with Taiwan’s opposition parties, which have paralysed his minority government.
 

A Chinese blockade could cut Taiwan’s electrical generating capacity so much that the island is unable to function, according to war games conducted by a U.S. think tank. “Energy is the weakest element in Taiwan’s resilience against coercion,” warned the report by the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. “The overwhelming preponderance of energy must be imported and is thus vulnerable to a blockade.”
 
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A Chinese blockade could cut Taiwan’s electrical generating capacity so much that the island is unable to function, according to war games conducted by a U.S. think tank. “Energy is the weakest element in Taiwan’s resilience against coercion,” warned the report by the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. “The overwhelming preponderance of energy must be imported and is thus vulnerable to a blockade.”
This point makes very difficult position for Taiwan; Going Solar is option but will not be able to cater industrial requirement. With Trump leading US, I don't know how much they support Taiwan. If PRC is really thinking to concentrate on Taiwan first, they may offer really good deal to India/ stabilize bilateral relations. In such scenario it will be hell of a task for US+ to get their favorable outcome on Taiwan front.

But PRC generally doesn't act until they are 101% sure.
 
This point makes very difficult position for Taiwan; Going Solar is option but will not be able to cater industrial requirement. With Trump leading US, I don't know how much they support Taiwan. If PRC is really thinking to concentrate on Taiwan first, they may offer really good deal to India/ stabilize bilateral relations. In such scenario it will be hell of a task for US+ to get their favorable outcome on Taiwan front.

But PRC generally doesn't act until they are 101% sure.
When Modi goes to China, probably he will say to Xi that India will not intervene when China makes its move on Taiwan and India will not protest much when new Dalai Lama is appointed by China. Xi now for sure knows relations between India and the US is not good and hence Quad is also may become unstable. Hence, he will likely concentrate on Taiwan first.
 
When Modi goes to China, probably he will say to Xi that India will not intervene when China makes its move on Taiwan and India will not protest much when new Dalai Lama is appointed by China. Xi now for sure knows relations between India and the US is not good and hence Quad is also may become unstable. Hence, he will likely concentrate on Taiwan first.
I can see it on taiwan front but definitely not on Dalai Lama issue.
Dalai Lama is a bigger symbol than most of us Indians realise. Multi-polar world doesn't mean hiding behind two superpower as circumstances wish. But it means being one of the poles in itself. You can hedge.. but not let them dictate. That's what we are doing with USA now.. and shall continue with China.

If Indian govt secedes to Chinese position on Dalai Lama...I would be disheartened and against it. And Modi won't do it. Doval sir knows his things.
 
When Modi goes to China, probably he will say to Xi that India will not intervene when China makes its move on Taiwan and India will not protest much when new Dalai Lama is appointed by China. Xi now for sure knows relations between India and the US is not good and hence Quad is also may become unstable. Hence, he will likely concentrate on Taiwan first.
taiwan is gone case , dalai lama we will continue to host. We can handle china bcos we have leverage using dalai lama. Now we need to wait & watch what US will do after losing ukrane war.
 
Yes, China/ India can have understanding on Taiwan matter, only thing it will put Japan and South Korea in somewhat difficult situation. Trump is pushing things for RIC to happen. Astrology says China and India are natural partners but moon doesn't support this union even 10%. This is where all trouble begins, they can't think in unison. On the other hand Pakistan is very favorable position vis a vis China, thus China is not going to leave Pakistan.
 

Bloomberg reported on February 5, 2026, that Taiwan’s Defense Minister Wellington Koo says Washington is moving to accelerate long delayed weapons deliveries as production bottlenecks ease and U.S. processing for Taiwan cases is tightened. Speaking in Taipei, Koo said phased shipments later this year should include HIMARS rocket artillery, Harpoon coastal defense missile systems, and MQ-9B drones, while other munitions such as Javelin anti-armor missiles are tracking to plan. He cast the timeline as operationally urgent, pointing to a sustained surge in Chinese air activity and naval presence around the island and warning that Taiwan must lengthen exercises and intensify reservist training to keep pace with the pressure.
 
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I really thought China wouldn't make a move on Taiwan especially considering that Xi has purged most of the veterans in PLA. This could still be a bluff. Will be interesting to follow.
 

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has warned China that using force against Taiwan would be a “terrible mistake.” He also emphasized that the United States’ policy toward Taiwan remains “unchanged” following President Donald Trump’s meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping. In an interview with a private news channel, Mr. Rubio avoided directly responding to Mr. Xi’s warning that tensions over the self-governing island could lead to a clash between the two nations. He noted that China consistently raises the Taiwan issue during bilateral discussions. Earlier, President Xi warned Mr. Trump that mishandling the Taiwan issue could trigger “clashes and even conflicts” between the United States and China. The remarks came during wide-ranging talks between the two leaders covering the Iran conflict, energy security, and trade. The Chinese president urged the US to exercise extra caution in handling the Taiwan issue.