Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

no meteor,no x guard and for all we already have paid money Ig...denied spice 2000 integration so.. forced to buy costly hammer...so disappointing so far to hear all these when we paid huge sums of money .....From what I have learnt so far..about mirage upgradation and rafale deal..french have been too costly military partner for us. Hopefully GoI will be cognizant of all this matter and this rafale and MMRCA/MRFA will be last foreign fighter jet purchase (barring few sqdrns of 5th gen jets).
 
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Safran - A roadmap on the engines of future combat aircraft, whether piloted or not

A preparatory risk-taking study the launch of the T-REX program was notified to Safran at the beginning of June. The next step will be signing a contract development within 18/24 months, in order to achieve a more powerful engine the entry into service of the Rafale at Standard F5 planned around 2032-2033. Or an engine having previously filmed on a test bench, and flown on a test bench before being qualified around 2031.

To reach 9 tonnes of thrust (compared to 7.5 tonnes on the current Rafale M-88 engine), there will be no changes to the overall volume occupied by the engine compared to the current engine, so no modifications to the structure of the Rafale (internally or externally, for aerodynamics). The concept of maintenance will remain the same overall similar, with a search for commonality of spare parts as much as possible between engines of different generations. A resumption of programming of flight controls will obviously be necessary, as is the development of internal engine regulation software.

6 modules out of the 21 modules of the current M-88 will be modified, in particular those relating to air compression and cooling in the high-pressure turbine, with a recovery of air inlets and outlets, in addition to the use of new materials on certain hot parts, notably in the continuation of the Upstream Study Plan (PEA) known as Turenne. It is therefore a question of seeking efficiency gains, without strong variation in fuel consumption, to add punch to the Rafale while the trend is towards weighting on the sensors and effectors (radars, weapons, on-board processing capabilities data...).

A Turenne 3 PEA is already in progress preparation for the future NGF engine (New Generation Fighter) of the SCAF program (Air Combat System of the Future), in addition to the developments envisaged with the use of other new materials resistant to expected high heat variations, variable nozzles, etc. For the NGF, a 12 ton engine approximately thrust is expected.

From all these studies a family of engines for use will be born military for different applications, with the future M15, M30 and M50 (i.e. engines with 1.5, 3 and 5 tonnes of thrust), particularly for motorizing drones, including those accompanying manned devices for future standards Rafale and the post-Rafale (or the Collaborative Aircraft Combat or CCA).
Reuse of modules as much as possible is sought after, with, for example, on the M50, a resumption of the architecture of the M88, but without afterburner, in order to power the future UCAS (Umanned Combat Air System) stealth which should weigh around 15 tonnes approximately.
 
I am surprised that Rampage has not been integrated with the Rafale yet. The Israeli weapon systems should be easier to integrate with DA FAs considering multiple such instances in the past eg. SPICE for DA Mirage 2000.
 
False.
Hammer were purchased as a stop gap solution.
Spice and Astra integration always were included in the GtoG deal. Astra first fired are expected late this year if I remember well.
Spice? I don't know when.
Hammer is no stop gap, unless you mean case of some unit bought off the shelf. BEL is making those and supplying in decent quantity currently each quarter, so it was just the usual case of local mfg seeing nos, off the shelf buy seeing less (scalp).

Weapon integration part, different people will claim their own take which is most of the time plain wrong take, including mine many times. Only IAF can tell the real pic and they are not telling anything (yet). So its quite time waste arguing what is integrated or not.

Inventory wise, spike is obviously available in far larger nos than the other items.
 
Hammer is no stop gap, unless you mean case of some unit bought off the shelf. BEL is making those and supplying in decent quantity currently each quarter, so it was just the usual case of local mfg seeing nos, off the shelf buy seeing less (scalp).

Weapon integration part, different people will claim their own take which is most of the time plain wrong take, including mine many times. Only IAF can tell the real pic and they are not telling anything (yet). So its quite time waste arguing what is integrated or not.

Inventory wise, spike is obviously available in far larger nos than the other items.
Hammer WAS PURCHASED as a stop gap, waiting for Spice integration. But the situation may have changed as this weapons showed indian top brass some very usefull specifications.....

Integration : SPICE and ASTRA integration were in the GtoG deal. It is rumored that first ASTRA fired from Rafalae may occur before end of this year. Spice? I don't know.
 
Presentation on the Rafale by Dassault that was recently released. Some good information.

 

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So both are wrong, you don't have max speed M1,8 at both 50 and 30k, the Rafale A F404 is better

Isn't the M Rafale M1,6?
Not that top speed matters that much
 
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Official performances from Dassault:

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Max. thrust2 x 7.5 t
Limit load factors-3.2 g / +9 g
Max. speedM = 1.8 / 750 knots
Approach speedless than 120 knots
Landing ground run450 m (1,500 ft) without drag-chute
Service ceiling50,000 ft
 
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The Rafale M, the naval variant of the Dassault Rafale fighter jet, has a maximum speed of Mach 1.6. This allows it to achieve very high performance, such as a sustained turn rate of 5.7 degrees per second at 11,000 meters with a full weapons load.

so clean m1.8 and 6
but something happens when you put tanks and weapons on, it supercruses at M1.4

o_O
 
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The Rafale M, the naval variant of the Dassault Rafale fighter jet, has a maximum speed of Mach 1.6. This allows it to achieve very high performance, such as a sustained turn rate of 5.7 degrees per second at 11,000 meters with a full weapons load.

so clean m1.8 and 6
but something happens when you put tanks and weapons on, it supercruses at M1.4

o_O
Math aint mathing. :unsure:
 
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To date, 533 Rafale aircraft have received firm orders from France and eight export customer countries. Thus, 233 examples are yet to be delivered, with production rates planned to increase to 4 aircraft per month.