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Fatalis said:
The way Poland is arming itself, I was expecting the same for the Indian Army after the Galwan clash. Inducting APC, IFV, tanks, gunships, helicopters and missiles in large numbers. But reality can often be disappointing. Sad affairs of our bureucary and import lobby.
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We are already established. For example, we bought 464 T-90s before Galwan. But yeah, some things have been disappointing, the govt has given a bit too much importance towards self-reliance than is necessary. Like, the army really needed emergency purchases of both 400 ATHOS and 60 Ka-226T. We would have been operating both today. But we moved really fast in plugging some critical operational gaps, like comm systems and ammunition, even road infrastructure.

The Polish are setting up from almost scratch. The Russians are doing the same.
 

Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh flags-off ‘SANJAY - The Battlefield Surveillance System’ from New Delhi​

Posted On: 24 JAN 2025 12:14PM by PIB Delhi

Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh flagged-off ‘SANJAY - The Battlefield Surveillance System (BSS)’ from South Block, New Delhi on January 24, 2025. SANJAY is an automated system which integrates the inputs from all ground and aerial battlefield sensors, processing them to confirm their veracity, preventing duplication and fusing them to produce a Common Surveillance Picture of the battlefield over secured Army Data Network & Satellite Communication Network. It will enhance battlefield transparency and transform the future battlefield through a Centralised Web Application which will provide inputs to Command & Army Headquarters, and the Indian Army Decision Support System.



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The BSS is equipped with state-of-the-art sensors and cutting-edge analytics. It will monitor the vast land borders, prevent intrusions, assess situations with unparalleled accuracy and prove to be a force multiplier in Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaissance. This would enable commanders to operate in both conventional & sub-conventional operations in a Network Centric Environment. Its induction will be an extraordinary leap towards data and network centricity in the Indian Army.



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SANJAY has been indigenously & jointly developed by the Indian Army and Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) creating a conducive ecosystem towards achieving ‘Aatmanirbharta’ as a follow up to the Indian Army’s ‘Year of Technology Absorption’. These systems will be inducted to all operational Brigades, Divisions & Corps of the Indian Army in three phases w.e.f. March to October of 2025, which has been declared as ‘Year of Reforms’ in the Ministry of Defence (MoD). This system has been developed under the Buy (Indian) category at a cost of Rs 2,402 crore.
 
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Hope the IA switches to TATA, Ashok Leyland as carrier platforms for all tactical weapons and C4I systems. TATRA should no longer be the default option.
 
Hydra said:
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Cannot find any legit source reporting this. They probably just heard the Defence Secretary saying to CNBC that the Javelin deal is being negotiated and are jumping the gun. No deal has been 'sealed' as of yet, though I'm confident that Javelin will come. In relatively limited numbers - the bulk of the requirement for Gen-3 ATGMs will be met through MPATGM/Amogha-3 only.

When all is said & done, it's not a bad idea to have stocks of Javelins & to train lots of instructors on how to use them. It may end up being necessary in the event of a long war with China where it's possible we may have to get resupplied by US stocks in case our own factories get bombed.

The terrain along the LAC is not like Europe - open maneuver is very difficult. Fire-and-forget ATGMs are likely to have a disproportionate effect here at creating killboxes for enemy armor.
 
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Parthu said:
Cannot find any legit source reporting this. They probably just heard the Defence Secretary saying to CNBC that the Javelin deal is being negotiated and are jumping the gun. No deal has been 'sealed' as of yet, though I'm confident that Javelin will come. In relatively limited numbers - the bulk of the requirement for Gen-3 ATGMs will be met through MPATGM/Amogha-3 only.

When all is said & done, it's not a bad idea to have stocks of Javelins & to train lots of instructors on how to use them. It may end up being necessary in the event of a long war with China where it's possible we may have to get resupplied by US stocks in case our own factories get bombed.

The terrain along the LAC is not like Europe - open maneuver is very difficult. Fire-and-forget ATGMs are likely to have a disproportionate effect here at creating killboxes for enemy armor.
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Are there any plan to add new generation features in future ititerations of MPTATGM or NAG?
 
redpanda said:
Are there any plan to add new generation features in future ititerations of MPTATGM or NAG?
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MPATGM they called third gen atgm i think, so that will be that. Nag mk2 is supposedly weight optimised a bit, not sure how much , but overall keeping similar profile to old nag except the propulsion maybe. Instead of three ducts tvc now single plume nozzle plus general improvement in terms of seeker, electronics, gyro etc.
 
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Parthu said:
Cannot find any legit source reporting this. They probably just heard the Defence Secretary saying to CNBC that the Javelin deal is being negotiated and are jumping the gun. No deal has been 'sealed' as of yet, though I'm confident that Javelin will come. In relatively limited numbers - the bulk of the requirement for Gen-3 ATGMs will be met through MPATGM/Amogha-3 only.

When all is said & done, it's not a bad idea to have stocks of Javelins & to train lots of instructors on how to use them. It may end up being necessary in the event of a long war with China where it's possible we may have to get resupplied by US stocks in case our own factories get bombed.

The terrain along the LAC is not like Europe - open maneuver is very difficult. Fire-and-forget ATGMs are likely to have a disproportionate effect here at creating killboxes for enemy armor.
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Our factories for missiles are deep in south India. China would need 2,000 km range ballistic missiles. Can they produce them en masse? I thought most of their missiles were sub 1,000 km ones.
 
The ATGM profile of Indian army is a mess to say
You have got
French- millan
Russian- konkurs, kornet, shturm, Ivar,
Isareli- spike,
Indian- nag mk1,
Now you want to operate javelin,
When the MPATGM is going on for user trials, which does the same job as what javelin does,
Javelin is a gold plated weapon, and to be honest we are using ATGM for more hardened targets bunkers rather as compared to Anti armour roles,

ATGM in indian army have been like collecting infinity stones,

If the MOD wants the deal for political purposes then, they should go for ordering more chinooks for the army, or go for CIWS systems, not for ATGM when you have already multiple options at house to begin with
 
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The ATGM profile of Indian army is a mess to say
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Not at all. Now they are making separate variants of Nag into atgm-lwt , Vikram VT-21 version, mpatgm, heli borne atgm, uav borne atgm for archer (mpatgm variant) and more , ie ulpgm also to get anti armour role. Diverse inventory is a big help actually.
 
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marich01 said:
Not at all. Now they are making separate variants of Nag into atgm-lwt , Vikram VT-21 version, mpatgm, heli borne atgm, uav borne atgm for archer (mpatgm variant) and more , ie ulpgm also to get anti armour role. Diverse inventory is a big help actually.
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Wouldn't the NAG mk2 gonna fit the role for Vikram VT-21,
NAG mk1 had weight of 42kg, DRDO have reduced the weight of NAGmk2, it's fair to be saying the nag mk2 to be under 38kg, helina & SANT are the heilborne version,

The thing is we already have so many options under our belt, javelin is a great missile, but the operating cost is not for us, the Indian army has to use it for pure anti armour roles,
 
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CATS @hunter said:
The ATGM profile of Indian army is a mess to say
You have got
French- millan
Russian- konkurs, kornet, shturm, Ivar,
Isareli- spike,
Indian- nag mk1,
Now you want to operate javelin,
When the MPATGM is going on for user trials, which does the same job as what javelin does,
Javelin is a gold plated weapon, and to be honest we are using ATGM for more hardened targets bunkers rather as compared to Anti armour roles,

ATGM in indian army have been like collecting infinity stones,

If the MOD wants the deal for political purposes then, they should go for ordering more chinooks for the army, or go for CIWS systems, not for ATGM when you have already multiple options at house to begin with
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ATGMs aren't just only for Tanks,it can be used as RPG or Carl Gustav, so yeas larger the number and variety options are always better. Since you don't know how many of this will be needing during war, once we exhausted (hopefully not) our inventory we can import from the OEM countries.
 
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