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.... Let's wait for official Indian military confirmation.Air Engagement of Operation Sindoor : Analysis
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.... Let's wait for official Indian military confirmation.
Because MKI + BrahMos combo brought Pak on its knees after which they begged for ceasefire moron. Even our Def Sec called BrahMos a game-changer and not Rampage. Got it.
Air Marshal Ashutosh Dixit, Chief Of Integrated Defence Staff (CISC) shares about evolution of India's defence ecosystem.
First time ever, the Chief of Integrated Defence Staff, Air Marshal Ashutosh Dixit speaks about Operation Sindoor. He's an insider who was closely involved in the planning of Operation Sindoor. He spoke for the very first time
First time ever, the Chief of Integrated Defence Staff, Air Marshal Ashutosh Dixit speaks about Operation Sindoor. He's an insider who was closely involved in the planning of Operation Sindoor. He spoke for the very first time
Just because it was seen testing with the flat nozzle doesn't necessarily mean that series production Su-57M will get it. At the moment a lot of things are just R&D programs...whether they end up on the series-produced jet or not is not known. It's entirely possible that the Felon will end up with just this serrated nozzle instead of the flat one:
Which is similar to what's being put on this 177S:
If they end not going for the flat nozzles, it would be par for course given the PAK-FA's design history, operating within Russia's industrial limitations. They could've gone for a significantly stealthier airframe if they wanted, but they cut back on a lot of things in order to maintain as much commonality with existing Flanker-building infrastructure as possible - so that factories have to undergo minimal retooling to build the Su-57.
This is quite the opposite to how we're doing things. For example we're planning on an extensive retooling program to implement next-gen production techniques like that new 50,000 ton press. The Russians have been somewhat less ambitious. They could've possibly implemented more things if India had invested into the program in a big way, but we got out.
I'm firmly of the opinion that we need to import a low-observable fighter as a stop-gap because AMCA is too far away.
I'd prefer the F-35 but if that's not feasible due to geopolitics, the Su-57E is gonna have to do.
If AMCA program fails (or at least if the next-gen engine program fails which means AMCA Mk2 will never come), we can then look into ordering additional airframes of whichever stop-gap jet we bought, and also then look into upgrading/modifying it (F-35 Block-4/Su-57MKI).
Indeed, but there were also other odd choices, Like choosing to go for naked irst, instead of housing it in a stealthy crystal dome, now it's good when irst Is closed, but when it's working it basically increases it's rcs so much that it can't be called a stealth jet anymore, 0.1-0.2m2 from frontal arc with irst open.
But then they also went for ambitious choices like, side and back facing radar arrays, small L band arrays to act as an "presence detector", DIRCM etc.
Basically sensor suite is quite extraordinary, though individual sensors not as technologically advance as f35's.
Not to mention how ambitious AL-51 engine is performance wise.
So for the stealth compromise, I don't think industrial limitations and lack of money were the only thing, I think russian themselves didn't value stealth as highly as americans did(i'm with the americans on this), when designing/building su57, and were willing to make compromises for benifits in other areas.
Pakistanis adamant five to fix Indian downed
Including Rafale x three
How many have we lost guysc
Including Rafale x three
How many have we lost guysc
Based upon wreckage we saw in our territory:1 Rafale, 1 Mig-29 & 1 M-2000 along with a Heron Drone. Anyways, until IAF accepts it, it'll remain just a conjecture.
Problem is denial & blind hate against the western block.
Hopefully IAF will also do a proper conference and walk through its successes .... who am I kidding.
A lot of the drone attacks across Pakistan tend to be Harops. We must have expended 100s in those 2 days. Imagery analysis;
A lot of the drone attacks across Pakistan tend to be Harops. We must have expended 100s in those 2 days. Imagery analysis;
It's still possible that they might implement a faceted enclosure on the production jet...but just like with the nozzles, no guarantees. It'll all depend on how expensive it turns out to be and whether they determine that series-production with this increased per-unit expenditure makes sense or not.
Yeah, the goals are kinda all over the place. Possible that this is part of the reason why the program is taking so long. They over-extended themselves...it would've probably been wiser to go with an airframe that basically uses the same sensor suite as Su-35 first, get it into production, then implement all the new stuff over a series of blocks/tranches.
The L-band radars were actually already implemented on Su-35. Of course they are fundamentally antithetical to all-aspect stealth.
The biggest leap IMO, more than all the extra arrays, is actually the move to AESA over all their previous PESAs. But for some reason, they're struggling to implement/productionize AESA across programs. We actually pressed for Virupaksha on our MKI upgrade partly because Tikhomirov was failing to offer an AESA that can be put on the Flankers...which makes me doubt the readiness/capability of the Su-57's N036 as well.
Yes philosophical differences with regard to stealth are there as well. The L-band arrays mentioned above being one example. The Russians' AEWs suck and they never really implemented that type of airborne battle management so they kinda have no choice. The Su-35/57 are gonna have to perform their own long-distance IFF with those L-bands.
Not to mention, now there's the war which is forcing them to take a fundamental relook at their arms industry & about what kind of platforms they need to be buying over the next 5-10 years. I actually talked about this before:
Russian Armed Forces : Pictures & Updates
RuMOD: Going to complete all tests of “Altius” mil heavy UAV during 2018
www.strategicfront.org
"...for the Russians, now is not the time for expensive white elephant programs which may or may not become available in sufficient numbers a decade down the line. Now's the time for cheap, proven systems that require minimal, if any, changes to existing infrastructure, logistics & training regimens. To quote myself "less T-14s and more T-72B3s."
This also serves as an indication that Russians will not be in any shape to invest the required amounts in programs like T-14, Su-57, Su-75, S-500, etc. Which means for the foreseeable future, a lot of those programs can be effectively understood to be in cold storage. Limited series production at best."
I'd venture to say that programs of strategic significance like nuclear submarines (and perhaps S-500) will continue to get sufficient funds - this was the case even after Soviet collapse - but the tactical systems like fighters, tanks etc. likely won't.
So what I said regarding T-14 & T-72B3 will likely apply to Su-57 & Su-35/34 as well...unless they manage to find someone (like India) who's willing to bankroll the Felon.
Which makes leasing a small batch a wise choice, imo (better still if we could adjust the deal against the $250m already paid under FGFA). This wouldn't be our first time either.
The IAF leased a pair of A-50U AWACS in the early 2000s for trials before signing for the Phalcon.
Which makes leasing a small batch a wise choice, imo (better still if we could adjust the deal against the $250m already paid under FGFA). This wouldn't be our first time either.
The IAF leased a pair of A-50U AWACS in the early 2000s for trials before signing for the Phalcon.
I don't think we can lease fighters without an order for the jets. The purpose of such a lease is to bridge the delivery gap.
Plus Russia's not gonna give their variants up for export.
The FGFA money's disappeared, it was used up between 2010-13.
At least, we won't be ripping off the Russians nor violating IP T&C like the Chinese. They didn't even lease the stuff they wanted. They simply promised a large order and asked the Russians for a few dozen examples for testing purposes. They'd then RE them to make their own copies.
My point is we shouldn't rely on Russian brochure figures or test data. We can offer a lease-to-buy deal like the Chakra-1 was originally supposed to be (canceled under US pressure). The Russians are desperate for orders at the moment. China won't buy half as many Su-57 as it did Su-27/30. That leaves only us as their prime export customer for the Felon.
They will have to oblige us.
Off-the-shelf purchase of around 40-60 Felons followed by made in India twin-seat Su-57s(over 120 no.s). Mark it.
I think you mean Su-35, the number of Su-35 we buy is only 8% of Su-27/30
This is what the IAF Commander said. Such words are so stupid and are not what a professional soldier should say at all.
If an average Indian tells me that one Rafale can defeat 5 J-20, I will just think he is a lunatic
But this is what an IAF commander said, which can only show that IAF is extremely underestimating the enemy and arrogant.
