Nope. Sat-Nav based. Read: Pak is screwed trying to match India. Period.
Few days ago, you were doubting my Su-57MKI procurement plans/news. Still doubt it
MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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With the US cutting back on F-35 orders there should be plenty of line availability in the near future. A cheeky squad or two could find their way if all parties are willing.
If we are going for Sukhoi, in the next round of Op Sindoor, Pakistani will claim they have shot down Sukhoeee. I can bet on that
Taxes (corporate and personal) had always been a major pillar of GoI's vision for a $5 trillion economy in the first two terms. The defence budget remained more or less stagnant during this time, iirc. Now, you hardly hear a pipsqueak about it- at least partly because of coalition politics. The point I was making initially is that extra spending on account of coalition partners' pet projects (Amravati and special packages for Bihar & UP) may have led to MRFA delays.
Ideally, paramilitary forces like BSF, ITBP and SSB should be trained and equipped to take on the mantle of border security. The Army (including the RR batallions) focus must solely on warfighting. Adding more personnel will only add to an already unsustainable opex burden. As you'd have seen in pics from countless exercises, our troops are poorly equipped as it is.
Monumental mistake. Without firm orders of 100+ Rafales, it would be hard to get the French to agree now.
That bird was apparently a prototype and not the initial production version now flying with the RuAF. The MKI too has evolved over multiple iterations in Indian service so there certainly is a chance that Su-57 might make it into Indian service. I'd prefer we bought the F-35 but the opsec issues cannot be ignored. Everything from logistics (ALIS) to access control is heavily monitored. Like you said, it'd be paying in full but operating the ac like it's on lease.
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Pakistan’s Pursuit of CAMM-ER and IRIS-T to Counter India’s BrahMos: Why Germany’s IRIS-T Is the Likely Choice - RESONANT NEWS
In the wake of India’s decisive use of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile during Operation Sindoor (May 7–10, 2025), Pakistan is urgently seeking advanced air defense systems to bolster its defenses against this formidable weapon. As per reports BrahMos, a joint India-Russia venture...
resonantnews.com
Iris SAM had a kill of onik missiles, the base of Brahmos missile. Also it had an impressive record of intercepting 8 Russian missiles under 30 seconds.
What i am trying to tell is mmrca or f35 is required to destroy iris systems.
@randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil do how well rafale can deal IRIS
Gotta be careful with such news. We have always used Russia as a hedge when negotiating with the West.
Pakistan’s Pursuit of CAMM-ER and IRIS-T to Counter India’s BrahMos: Why Germany’s IRIS-T Is the Likely Choice - RESONANT NEWS
In the wake of India’s decisive use of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile during Operation Sindoor (May 7–10, 2025), Pakistan is urgently seeking advanced air defense systems to bolster its defenses against this formidable weapon. As per reports BrahMos, a joint India-Russia venture...resonantnews.com
Iris SAM had a kill of onik missiles, the base of Brahmos missile. Also it had an impressive record of intercepting 8 Russian missiles under 30 seconds.
What i am trying to tell is mmrca or f35 is required to destroy iris systems.
@randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil do how well rafale can deal IRIS
It's a good system, but is dependent on Pakistan's competence and ability to keep upgrading the system periodically.
No, just overwhelm it, and do SEAD and DEAD.Pakistan’s Pursuit of CAMM-ER and IRIS-T to Counter India’s BrahMos: Why Germany’s IRIS-T Is the Likely Choice - RESONANT NEWS
In the wake of India’s decisive use of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile during Operation Sindoor (May 7–10, 2025), Pakistan is urgently seeking advanced air defense systems to bolster its defenses against this formidable weapon. As per reports BrahMos, a joint India-Russia venture...resonantnews.com
Iris SAM had a kill of onik missiles, the base of Brahmos missile. Also it had an impressive record of intercepting 8 Russian missiles under 30 seconds.
What i am trying to tell is mmrca or f35 is required to destroy iris systems.
@randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil do how well rafale can deal IRIS
Going by this logic there'd always be some pressing need or the other which'd demand immediate attention & finances.
This in turn raises the question - what's the price we're willing to pay for national security sandwiched as we are between 2 belligerent neighbours both of whom are in active collusion with each other , increasingly co ordinating their moves & both of whom are N armed ?
I don't think the answer is too difficult . It then boils down to priorities. And as I mentioned before this government doesn't have defence as one of its top priorities.
Was referring to internal security.
RR must be separated from the IA leaving the IA free to focus on what they're paid to do . External defence not internal security.
We don't choose our neighbours or dictate their policies or their interests justified or otherwise . We choose our security options. And we lie in the bed we make for ourselves . Just like what China or Paxtan does. And just as we did in 1962 & 1971.
Not giving the armed forces the budget they need not what they want but what you think you can spare for them are part of those choices.
You think an order of 100 nos will prompt DA to pass on the source codes for free or a nominal amount ?
The objective was to demonstrate they've still not sorted out their supply chain issues.
I'm interested in it if it comes in numbers before 2029 or 2030 at the most. Beyond that it doesn't matter. I don't see it happening from any angle we approach the issue.
IRIS-T is dedicated WVR missile for German Eurofighters. It's by far "the most manoeuvrable" dogfight missile in existence today even above Python 5. SAM system based on IRIS-T is very effective. But against BrahMos? No chance.Pakistan’s Pursuit of CAMM-ER and IRIS-T to Counter India’s BrahMos: Why Germany’s IRIS-T Is the Likely Choice - RESONANT NEWS
In the wake of India’s decisive use of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile during Operation Sindoor (May 7–10, 2025), Pakistan is urgently seeking advanced air defense systems to bolster its defenses against this formidable weapon. As per reports BrahMos, a joint India-Russia venture...resonantnews.com
Iris SAM had a kill of onik missiles, the base of Brahmos missile. Also it had an impressive record of intercepting 8 Russian missiles under 30 seconds.
What i am trying to tell is mmrca or f35 is required to destroy iris systems.
@randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil do how well rafale can deal IRIS
CAMM-ER is unlikely. MBDA will probably not want to get involved and green light loan based transactions or staggered deals.. A decent chance they are going to have to go for a Chinese system. China is giving quite a handout in addition to the new equipment/planes. However, if the PAF resists then things might get interesting. HQ19 is supposed to have been offered.Pakistan’s Pursuit of CAMM-ER and IRIS-T to Counter India’s BrahMos: Why Germany’s IRIS-T Is the Likely Choice - RESONANT NEWS
In the wake of India’s decisive use of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile during Operation Sindoor (May 7–10, 2025), Pakistan is urgently seeking advanced air defense systems to bolster its defenses against this formidable weapon. As per reports BrahMos, a joint India-Russia venture...resonantnews.com
Iris SAM had a kill of onik missiles, the base of Brahmos missile. Also it had an impressive record of intercepting 8 Russian missiles under 30 seconds.
What i am trying to tell is mmrca or f35 is required to destroy iris systems.
@randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil do how well rafale can deal IRIS
Common Anti-air Modular Missile Extended Range (CAMM-ER), Italy
The Common Anti-air Modular Missile Extended Range (CAMM-ER) is a member of the latest-generation CAMM family of air defence missiles
www.airforce-technology.com
Not so sure.
ASRAAM and the land based CAMM familly is probably more impressive.
I have a big doubt about any big western weapon deal with Pak in the near future....CAMM-ER is unlikely. MBDA will probably not want to get involved and green light loan based transactions or staggered deals.. A decent chance they are going to have to go for a Chinese system. China is giving quite a handout in addition to the new equipment/planes. However, if the PAF resists then things might get interesting. HQ19 is supposed to have been offered.
Common Anti-air Modular Missile Extended Range (CAMM-ER), Italy
The Common Anti-air Modular Missile Extended Range (CAMM-ER) is a member of the latest-generation CAMM family of air defence missiles
Pak is now plague ridden.
By the time they acquire a system to intercept Mach 3 BrahMos, we would get Mach 4.5 BrahMos along with Mach 8 HCM(under Project Vishnu).CAMM-ER is unlikely. MBDA will probably not want to get involved and green light loan based transactions or staggered deals.. A decent chance they are going to have to go for a Chinese system. China is giving quite a handout in addition to the new equipment/planes. However, if the PAF resists then things might get interesting. HQ19 is supposed to have been offered.
Common Anti-air Modular Missile Extended Range (CAMM-ER), Italy
The Common Anti-air Modular Missile Extended Range (CAMM-ER) is a member of the latest-generation CAMM family of air defence missiles
Pakistanis would realize one thing soon that it is impossible to compete with an enemy that has a well oiled fully self-reliant MIC(like we did post Ukraine war) and sadly for them their madarsas can't compete with our IITs as for producing and harnessing desi talent is concerned. Plus with Modi gov's initiative to bring private companies like Tata, L&T, Kalyani & Adani group into the fray would mean that even bottlenecks of our PSUs is gonna get sorted soon.
TL&DR: PAK is screwed.
ASRAAM is about speed and off the rail manoeuvrability but IRIS-T is all about insane manoeuvrability. MICA-IR seems to be most balanced design.
The mmrca needs to be scrapped. We need to do G2G deals for rafales, f-35 and su-57 and be done with it.Pakistan’s Pursuit of CAMM-ER and IRIS-T to Counter India’s BrahMos: Why Germany’s IRIS-T Is the Likely Choice - RESONANT NEWS
In the wake of India’s decisive use of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile during Operation Sindoor (May 7–10, 2025), Pakistan is urgently seeking advanced air defense systems to bolster its defenses against this formidable weapon. As per reports BrahMos, a joint India-Russia venture...resonantnews.com
Iris SAM had a kill of onik missiles, the base of Brahmos missile. Also it had an impressive record of intercepting 8 Russian missiles under 30 seconds.
What i am trying to tell is mmrca or f35 is required to destroy iris systems.
@randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil do how well rafale can deal IRIS
No, knowing the French, they will charge an arm and a leg. I'm saying a production run of 100 (over and above the 100 they've demanded for setting up a local prod'n line in India) would be their min ask for source codes Likely more. It's a cash cow for DA and they'll squeeze every dollar they can out of us.
What did I tell you in the past? We don't use vanilla Russian systems. BrahMos because of all the known & unknown Indian stuff in it is far deadly than its daddy, i.e., P-800 Oniks.
Yahi Kyo ruko, kf21, kaan, fcas, gcap, f47 bhi Lelo.
Zoo banalo Pura iaf ko g2g deal Kar Kar ke
More Rafales and Su-57MKI are a lock now. On contrary to popular convictions, the latter isn't a knee jerk reaction to PAF procuring J-35As but to take on China in the 2030s. AMCA would become ready for war only by late 2030s. We can't wait that long.
It's just sad that Americans have completely screwed the ever improving Indo-US relationship otherwise few squadrons of F-35s wasn't such a bad thing. It is by the most tech advanced fighter flying today. But Trump by spitting in Modi's face has completely screwed all its chances. Period.