Corvettes of Indian Navy : News and Discussions
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"After emerging as the L1 bidder, it will take around six months for the contract to be signed, GRSE said"
That is quicker than I expected. CSL was declared the L1 bidder for NGMV in 2021, contract was signed only in 2023.
That is quicker than I expected. CSL was declared the L1 bidder for NGMV in 2021, contract was signed only in 2023.
Well they expect it will take around 6 months for contract signing but ultimately it depends on when the GoI wants to do it. They can stretch it if they want to.
Full fledged ASW capabilities and aviation facility is the main difference between NGC and NGMV.
However I agree, VLSRSAM-Indian Radar- Medium Range AShM along with a CODAD propulsion would have made is very economical.
We could have rolled out like the Chinese did with type 056 Corvettes.
The NGC is much larger than the type 56, it is somewhat like the Istif class of Turkey, though that is classed as a frigate. Though, yes we could have mass-produced the NGMV like we are doing with the ASW-SWC.
It's bigger than the Talwar class at around 5000t (as per Twitter). Though I guess we won't be seeing the P-28A 'evolved Kamorta' now which like NGC was supposed to be multi-role.
I'd hoped NGC would feature a local radar like the Revathi 3D-CAR on P28. But no complaints.
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Then we could do a Type 054A run.
They also have the low end tech of Chinese packed into a reasonable design. Mass produced.
It cant be bigger than Talwar class. According to RFI, its length is less than 120 meters. Other specifications also points to a smaller version than Talwar.
Did notice that the GRSE ASW SW variant has a similar ' X shape hull form' to the P28s (which is ALSO built by GRSE)
Probably not. Talwar is 124m long vs 120m for NGC. Full load displacement should be nearly the same. The equipment fit alone indicates a much heavier ship than a typical corvette.
These corvettes are a replacement for the upcoming retirements of the Khukri, Kora, Veer and Abhay Class by the late 2020s - early 2030s.
- 4 x Abhay Class -> 16 x ASW-SWC (Arnala/ Mahe Class)
- 7 x Veer Class -> 6 x NGMV
- 4 x Kora Class + 2 x Khukri Class -> 8 x NGC
For a next-gen replacement, the weapons and sensor fit on the ASW-SWC is quite inferior.
Compared to Abhay, ASW-SWC has a piddly 30mm MG, no ASR or CIWS. This when we have local options for them all.
I know they are meant to operate close to shore and under air cover but these aren't exactly harbour patrol boats either.
The ASW-SWC are probably meant to be around a Kamorta Class corvette acting as a mothership which in turn will be guarded by a Talwar Class/ Brahmaputra Class frigate on picket duty.
They are meant to hang near the coastline and sniff out submarines. Pakistan Navy will have 8 Hangor Class (Type 39A/ Improved Project 636 Kilo Class derivative) by ~2030 so it makes sense to increase ASW assets like 16 x ASW-SWC and 9 x C-295 MPA along with some minesweepers/ USV to protect vital shipping lines.
The ASW-SWC are thus not surface warfare combatants but specialists meant to operate under the umbrella of a wider security net.
I made a infographic on D-F-I and it sort of describes the Arnala Class except the 30mm CRN-91 which has now been replaced by the 30mm NSG (Naval Surface Gun) manufactured by GRSE under license with Elbit.
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Any updated (or last) photo of the Mahe class ?
Is there future provision for VLSAM
I see your point but a ship this size should've atleast had a 76mm SRGM for self-defence imo.
What good would that do? Main guns are like vestigial organs for naval warships nowadays. An old missile like a P 15M has more value than a 127/130mm main gun. 76mm SRGM like the Strales are useful as a CIWS using their DART rounds.
The Brahmaputra and Talwar Class are there for that. This is a glorified missile boat and makes no sense to add SAM systems.
In this day and age, P-15s belong in a museum imo. I think the IN keeps them around for sentimental reasons than any operational value. Swarming USVs are as big a threat in the littorals as on the open seas (+Shahed class drones). They need to be neutralized as far out from the ship as possible. Russian CIWS have tried and failed to intercept them too many times. 76mm SRGM is dual-role. Perfect solution for small ships when combined with soft-kill CUAS.
If anything more capable than a UAV or loitering munition actually makes it past the Talwar Class/ Brahmaputra Class frigate then it's pointless to even consider the survival of the ASW-SWC. It would be better to cut and run than stand and fight in that case.
Furthermore a 76mm STRALES SRGM with it's autoloader and ammunition would be several times heavier than the 30mm NGS. These are better utilized on the existing vessels first as an upgrade.
