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[_Anonymous_]

I don't even want to watch this kind of video. Who took in the rebellious Kashag government in 1959? It was India. From that moment on, the relationship between China and India had broken down.

Who didn't manage to control the rebellion in Tibet ? It was the CCP ! Why didn't it manage to do so ? Because it was busy slaughtering the Tibetans in their thousands , rather millions.

Why did the Dalai Lama not seek further dialogue with the CCP ? Because by 1959 the full effects of The 5 Pests Campaign & The Great Leap Forward were clearly visible to those within China .

If the CCP wasn't sparing it's own kind - the Han , watching them die in the millions due to the famine courtesy fool hardy policies of the CCP without any relief whatsoever , what chance did the Tibetans have under the same CCP ?

Since then the Han slaves have been surviving in their master's - the CCP's rule. Remember the very same masters who were responsible for the nearly 100 million deaths of the Han under the various purges after the CCP won the Chinese Civil War , The 5 Pests Campaign , The Great Leap Forward , The Cultural Revolution , The Tiananmen Square Massacre & everything in between & since are still in power in Zhongguo.

A more self respecting people would have overthrown the CCP in a revolution like The French Revolution . Not the Han slaves though. They prefer empty slogans like Avenging The Century of Humiliation forgetting that it's A Century & 75 Years of humiliation , with the latter humiliation imposed on the Han slaves by their masters the CCP.

 

[suryakiran]

Will wait to hear more informed opinions on what has happened till now.
Broadly I could observe the following.

Indian forces has mauled Pakistan beyond it's expectation.
Indian AD has worked phenomenally well, I stand surprised,
Against Drones, our AD performed remarkably well, ECM has rumored to have defeated most of Chinese and Turkish drones.
our Ack ack now has formidable night vision and targetting system.
Gunners did what do best, reminded us what good training achieves with legacy systems
Pechoras.... ha ha pechoras....Pechoras took down everything.
Most of our PGM's entered unobstructed, either ECM or just lack of AD availability in enemy space, and chinese MRLS are absolute shit.

The lesson that we set out to teach was delivered in style, poor chaps are now using deceit and guile for face saving measure.

@nair @suryakiran

I don't think the Pakistanis expected the scale of retaliation. The decision to upgrade old systems for low cost interception capabilities proved correct.

Coming to the avoidance of AD, I believe, it was more of proper tactics and not necessarily poor tech on their end. Hence, I would be weary of using the phrase 'bad Chinese systems'. If we were to go up against an adversary with more resources, we would probably be hard pressed to respond as we did, specifically in the AD area.

Having said the above, this reprise that we gave them is going to come and bite us. Initiating talks should have been done after 2 more days of active neutralisation of enemy capabilities. Every time, we stop short of finishing the job. And this, I blame on our leadership wanting to please white man's behind.

The US has already occupied St Martin's Island off BD. They're creating a corridor connecting the Rakhine on the coast to the Kachin state in NE Myanmar neighbouring the Yunnan province in China.

It's basically the modern version of the old WW-2 Stilwell Road . The entire situation on our eastern flank is so murky you just can't tell who's with who these days. Yesterday's enemies become today's allies only to become enemies once again tomorrow.

Bangladesh Army to lead US-backed clandestine operations in Myanmar’s Rakhine State

At least three divisions of the Bangladesh Army will be involved in providing supplies, logistics and other tactical support to

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USAF team in Dhaka may have been based out of Al Udeid air base in Qatar

A four-member advance team of United States Air Force (USAF), sent to Dhaka ahead of the arrival of “heavy cargo”

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EXCLUSIVE: Four-member US Air Force team lands in Dhaka ahead of arrival of ‘heavy cargo’

In a development that indicates that the United States military will play a very critical role in any future military

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Apparently the BD army is vertically split on this issue of basing the Americans to sabotage the Tatmadaw & eventually the Chinese. And the Chinese aren't going to sit back either.

Follow this publication for more information on the NE & that part of the world that you're unlikely to come across on MSM or even SM.

If you were to ask me, we should work with China and Russia to kick the Americans out of BD.

 

[Ashwin]

I don't even want to watch this kind of video. Who took in the rebellious Kashag government in 1959? It was India. From that moment on, the relationship between China and India had broken down.

India recognized Tibet as part of China under international law. This recognition was formalized in 1954 with the signing of a treaty that ended India's claim to any extraterritorial rights in Tibet inherited from the British. Additionally, India officially recognized Tibet's sovereignty within the People's Republic of China.
We didnt help Kashag government directly in anyway. Thats the CCP propaganda which you believe without question. There is no way at that time Nehru intentionally do such a thing. Even in 1960 we voted for mainland China to be included in UN not republic china.

You should watch the video if you think you are an open-minded person.

 

[Asterion Moloc]

India recognized Tibet as part of China under international law. This recognition was formalized in 1954 with the signing of a treaty that ended India's claim to any extraterritorial rights in Tibet inherited from the British. Additionally, India officially recognized Tibet's sovereignty within the People's Republic of China.
We didnt help Kashag government directly in anyway. Thats the CCP propaganda which you believe without question. There is no way at that time Nehru intentionally do such a thing. Even in 1960 we voted for mainland China to be included in UN not republic china.

You should watch the video if you think you are an open-minded person.

They(CCP) follow han feizi and legalism, Mao is quoted that he did not kill enough scholars etc. So truth does not matter to them, they coat their views under latest fad like communism, multi lateralism, global south solidarity etc., but deep down they follow the inhuman legalism and han supremacy.

 

[RationalGuy]

I don't think the Pakistanis expected the scale of retaliation. The decision to upgrade old systems for low cost interception capabilities proved correct.

Coming to the avoidance of AD, I believe, it was more of proper tactics and not necessarily poor tech on their end. Hence, I would be weary of using the phrase 'bad Chinese systems'. If we were to go up against an adversary with more resources, we would probably be hard pressed to respond as we did, specifically in the AD area.

Having said the above, this reprise that we gave them is going to come and bite us. Initiating talks should have been done after 2 more days of active neutralisation of enemy capabilities. Every time, we stop short of finishing the job. And this, I blame on our leadership wanting to please white man's behind.

If you were to ask me, we should work with China and Russia to kick the Americans out of BD.

Well amrika won't give us GE404 or GE414 then you can say tata to Tejas and AMCA. Also I have experience with Chinese, 0.05 seconds after we throw unkil out of BD they will make a move on Arunachal .

India recognized Tibet as part of China under international law. This recognition was formalized in 1954 with the signing of a treaty that ended India's claim to any extraterritorial rights in Tibet inherited from the British. Additionally, India officially recognized Tibet's sovereignty within the People's Republic of China.
We didnt help Kashag government directly in anyway. Thats the CCP propaganda which you believe without question. There is no way at that time Nehru intentionally do such a thing. Even in 1960 we voted for mainland China to be included in UN not republic china.

You should watch the video if you think you are an open-minded person.

Open minded and chicom? Sky and mud can never mix

 

[randomradio]

If you were to ask me, we should work with China and Russia to kick the Americans out of BD.

The alternative is going Ukraine all over them.

 

[_Anonymous_]

If you were to ask me, we should work with China and Russia to kick the Americans out of BD.

It directly affects China. Let's see how do they react ?! Right now BD is into both side ism . OTOH they're co operating with the Chinese in building up a proposed airport near the Chicken's neck corridor in Siliguri. OTOH they're teaming up with the US to undermine China in N , NE Myanmar.

And the US is there coz SHW pissed off both the US & India by commissioning a Chinese built submarine cum naval base - BNS Pekua in Chittagong Bangladesh with the understanding that China could base their naval assets there some time in the future. Right now the US is trying to fit in a square peg in a round hole. They're supplying arms to the Arakan Army & the Rohingyas there.

Now the situation as it stands is something like this. None of the actors there like the Rohingyas or think of them as one of Myanmar's original inhabitants be it the Tatmadaw , the Arakan Army , the Kachins or the People's Democratic Alliance aligned to Aung San Suu Kyi or the Buddhist clergy.

Moreover the Tatmadaw is using the Rohingyas as guns for hire to take on the Arakan Army . As of the present you've a situation where the US is arming both groups in addition to the others to take on the Tatmadaw ostensibly to clear their path so they've a clear run right from Rakhine on the coast to the Kachin state bordering Yunnan in China. Where exactly do you think this is going ?

Frankly I can't quite tell what exactly is Younus's game plan here ? He's already pissed off India , he's doing so to the Tatmadaw in BD & finally he's just about pissing off China now.

Our task should be to micro observe the situation there for starters. Let's see how the situation evolves.

 

[RationalGuy]

The alternative is going Ukraine all over them.

Meaning?

 

[randomradio]

Meaning?

Bangladesh Liberation War 2.

With the most popular party banned, it will soon be time to deal with them with an iron fist.

Let's see how things go during elections. We need to see how the people will respond, even if it's all rigged.

We need a proxy party working for Awami to take the lead in elections. If that fails, and if voter sentiment is negative towards the new fake govt, it will create the conditions necessary for Indian interference through BD's army, which still supports India and the people are less likely to oppose. Violence against minorities can act as a trigger.

 

[Tatvamasi]

So many easy targets for brahmos

 

[South block]

Don't know if posted before but this is pure gold.... Lmao

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925169743050265085

 

[RationalGuy]

So many easy targets for brahmos

I only see 3 targets rest are too far away even with 800 km range. Maybe 4th (11th) is within range. China will try to use thousands of swarm drones to destroy our brahmos launchers in a conflict so we need to protect our launchers with L70, EMP weapons, Bhargavastra and laser weapons as well, not only our AD sites.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Saurav Jha & Sriram Thyagarajan discuss the what a two front war would look like . Most of the talking points he raises are what I've raised & we discussed here more than 2 years ago except he elaborates on them & adds new dimensions to it like the SBS program .

He's just woken up to the possibility of a 2 front war & is lamenting the absolute lack of seriousness on the part of our government or sense of urgency with respect to procurement & the procedures surrounding it .

Frankly I don't quite share his assessment for a 2 front war. Given the formidable challenge we'd face when we go up against China there's no way we can handle a two front war.

What this means is we either handle Paxtan now permanently neutralising their assets like I was suggesting before the onset of Operation Sindoor or we prepare to alter our N doctrine by insertion of a clause such that in case of a two front war the NFU would be suspended .

That'd be enough for all shalwars to turn brown in Pindi & remain that way for brown shalwars know that this change in our N doctrine would be exclusively aimed at them . Enough to dissuade them permanently from opening up a second front.

Hell , I should have my own program now that PKS is no more , Jha is hogging the limelight without any competition & those who can offer competition are busy expending their time here for two dozen participants . @Rajput Lion

 

[Hydra]

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/markets/india-s-ev-push-could-face-a-massive-jolt-from-china-s-rare-earth-magnets-curb-13094424.html/amp

India’s EV push could face a massive jolt from China's rare earth magnets curb​

 

[Zarion]

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/markets/india-s-ev-push-could-face-a-massive-jolt-from-china-s-rare-earth-magnets-curb-13094424.html/amp

India’s EV push could face a massive jolt from China's rare earth magnets curb​

Hopefully the giants and government will start investing in manufacturing these parts.

 

[_Anonymous_]

100 generals sacked during the 10-12 years Xi has been in power including some of his closest supporters & hand picked men .

Apparently the incumbent to the post of the Vice Chairman of the CCP & PRC Central Military Commission ( CMC ) He Weidong
which is one of the 2 posts of VCs of the CCP & PRC CMC ( both the incumbents hold the party & government posts simultaneously ) has not been seen in public since April 2025 with FT reporting he's been arrested for corruption.

Xi Jinping is the Chairman of this body which means his 2 deputies would obviously be his own loyalists . In the past the paramount leader be it Mao or Deng or Jiang Zemin or Hu Jintao - Xi's predecessor have all held this post apart from their posts in the party & political structure , be it the General Secretary of the Party along with the President of the PRC or on those lines .

Deng quit all party & political posts but retained this post till he quit politics altogether. Ditto for his successor Jiang Zemin. The idea is to keep an eye of their successors & protect their own privileges apart from their proteges in the system.

Lt Gen Raj Shukla comes across as a street smart general who knows how to get the job done with the tools at his disposal . He also comes across as someone down to earth rather than one who inhabits ivory towers or in his own words indulges in " high brow analysis . "

Plenty of other insights into the Paxtan China BD Turkey nexus shaping up & how it will affect India going forward. Let me also confess to being witness to the first time any general or senior member of the armed forces - serving or retired , to ever describe our present security situation as grim .


This podcast is well worth our time . @Rajput Lion

 

[_Anonymous_]

100 generals sacked during the 10-12 years Xi has been in power including some of his closest supporters & hand picked men .

Apparently the incumbent to the post of the Vice Chairman of the CCP & PRC Central Military Commission ( CMC ) He Weidong
which is one of the 2 posts of VCs of the CCP & PRC CMC ( both the incumbents hold the party & government posts simultaneously ) has not been seen in public since April 2025 with FT reporting he's been arrested for corruption.

Xi Jinping is the Chairman of this body which means his 2 deputies would obviously be his own loyalists . In the past the paramount leader be it Mao or Deng or Jiang Zemin or Hu Jintao - Xi's predecessor have all held this post apart from their posts in the party & political structure , be it the General Secretary of the Party along with the President of the PRC or on those lines .

Deng quit all party & political posts but retained this post till he quit politics altogether. Ditto for his successor Jiang Zemin. The idea is to keep an eye of their successors & protect their own privileges apart from their proteges in the system.

Lt Gen Raj Shukla comes across as a street smart general who knows how to get the job done with the tools at his disposal . He also comes across as someone down to earth rather than one who inhabits ivory towers or in his own words indulges in " high brow analysis . "

Plenty of other insights into the Paxtan China BD Turkey nexus shaping up & how it will affect India going forward. Let me also confess to being witness to the first time any general or senior member of the armed forces - serving or retired , to ever describe our present security situation as grim .


This podcast is well worth our time . @Rajput Lion

Suddenly there's been a bombardment of videos on the power struggle on within the CCP in China on my notifications on YT & lo & behold , Hindol Sengupta comes up with this gem.

Worthy companion piece to the quoted podcast , this time it's Ambassador Prabhat Shukla ( ex Ambassador to Russia among other postings ) interviewed by Hindol Sengupta for his channel Global Order on YouTube.

The topic is the power struggle on within the CCP with Xi Jinping & his band of followers being pitched against the party elders OTOH & OTOH it's Xi Jinping vs the PLA.

The most startling revelation of this podcast is one the principal reasons behind the clash between Xi & his band of followers & the PLA is their mutually contradictory position on India.

While Xi wants the western borders quiet given the focus on Taiwan about which there's unanimity among all factions , as per Ambassador Shukla the PLA or at least the dominant faction there is spoiling for a fight with India & what's more it's this faction within the PLA which has joined forces with the party elders to checkmate Xi & his coterie.

This can be verified by news reports emanating from India when Xi made his first visit shortly after Modi took office in 2014 accompanied by the PLA intruding deep into Ladakh in the Demchok sector where apparently Modi asked Xi if the party controlled the army or if it was the other way around as in Paxtan deeply embarassing Xi.

What we learn now is Xi purged the PLA of those elements who ordered this move but he was unable to get rid of all of them given the complex patronage system at work in the CCP & a few of them were shunted to other postings till they were eventually rehabilitated & are now challenging Xi's authority.

This explains the reason the GoI continues to reach out to the Chinese government to arrive at some sort of modus vivendi & simultaneously hold out against joining forces with the US led alliance for that would then strengthen the forces in China opposed to Xi , itching for a confrontation with India.

The downside is this could also be a good cop bad cop routine. However I believe our foreign office has enough experience & expertise to arrive at the right decision in charting out the road map to maintaining relations with China in however depleted the condition we find them in .

Here too the downside is not getting caught with our pants down as in Galwan for which I blame the MEA directly & the Chinese Study Group which these suits have successfully infiltrated preventing an alternative PoV from emerging.

Lots of other startling insights & revelations in this podcast which tragically ends with the same formulation some members here including myself have been screaming hoarse about namely our military spending & preparations are not upto par , although Ambassador Shukla does make a valiant attempt to end on an optimistic note .

I've said this before & reiterate this channel is criminally underviewed undervalued & unappreciated , much like DDR's IAH. Both need all the support they can get .

You guys maybe interested @Rajput Lion ; @Speedster1 ; @Jaymax et al

 

[Speedster1]

Suddenly there's been a bombardment of videos on the power struggle on within the CCP in China on my notifications on YT & lo & behold , Hindol Sengupta comes up with this gem.

Worthy companion piece to the quoted podcast , this time it's Ambassador Prabhat Shukla ( ex Ambassador to Russia among other postings ) interviewed by Hindol Sengupta for his channel Global Order on YouTube.

The topic is the power struggle on within the CCP with Xi Jinping & his band of followers being pitched against the party elders OTOH & OTOH it's Xi Jinping vs the PLA.

The most startling revelation of this podcast is one the principal reasons behind the clash between Xi & his band of followers & the PLA is their mutually contradictory position on India.

While Xi wants the western borders quiet given the focus on Taiwan about which there's unanimity among all factions , as per Ambassador Shukla the PLA or at least the dominant faction there is spoiling for a fight with India & what's more it's this faction within the PLA which has joined forces with the party elders to checkmate Xi & his coterie.

This can be verified by news reports emanating from India when Xi made his first visit shortly after Modi took office in 2014 accompanied by the PLA intruding deep into Ladakh in the Demchok sector where apparently Modi asked Xi if the party controlled the army or if it was the other way around as in Paxtan deeply embarassing Xi.

What we learn now is Xi purged the PLA of those elements who ordered this move but he was unable to get rid of all of them given the complex patronage system at work in the CCP & a few of them were shunted to other postings till they were eventually rehabilitated & are now challenging Xi's authority.

This explains the reason the GoI continues to reach out to the Chinese government to arrive at some sort of modus vivendi & simultaneously hold out against joining forces with the US led alliance for that would then strengthen the forces in China opposed to Xi , itching for a confrontation with India.

The downside is this could also be a good cop bad cop routine. However I believe our foreign office has enough experience & expertise to arrive at the right decision in charting out the road map to maintaining relations with China in however depleted the condition we find them in .

Here too the downside is not getting caught with our pants down as in Galwan for which I blame the MEA directly & the Chinese Study Group which these suits have successfully infiltrated preventing an alternative PoV from emerging.

Lots of other startling insights & revelations in this podcast which tragically ends with the same formulation some members here including myself have been screaming hoarse about namely our military spending & preparations are not upto par , although Ambassador Shukla does make a valiant attempt to end on an optimistic note .

I've said this before & reiterate this channel is criminally underviewed undervalued & unappreciated , much like DDR's IAH. Both need all the support they can get .

You guys maybe interested @Rajput Lion ; @Speedster1 ; @Jaymax et al

Deterrence not hope - that one line sums it all up for me. We need full spectrum deterrence against China, conventional and nuke.

Russia's experience is instructive in this regard. In the years preceding the Ukraine War, Putin had been busy pouring money into Russia's N deterrent - Poseidon nuke torpedo/uuv, Borei SSBN + Bulava LR SLBM, a n-powered, strategic CM et all. However, the Russian military wasn't prepared for conventional ops which resulted in heavy losses in the opening days of the conflict.

I'd normally draw a parallel between EU countries reluctance to spend more on defense with our own situation. But now even they've upped their annual budget to 5% of GDP while all we've seen in India is another round of EP to shore up ammo stocks, etc but no push for capex acquisitions.

From space-based ISR to P-77, HQ IDS or DMA needs to come up with an expedited 5 year Defence Plan ( LTIPP is just too "long term") with clearly defined outcomes with the PMO in the loop.

 

[_Anonymous_]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948634581391081908

I believe India's in the process of implementing this strategy. The IACCS & the various individual grid networks of the different arms of the armed forces is evidence of it .

We've covered considerable ground & there's a lot more ground to be covered though the extent of what we've accomplished with respect to what's mentioned in the report & what we're executing besides planning to execute in the future is unknown.

The level of secrecy is such that forget Indian sources none of the multitude of TTs infesting the West have come up with even a preliminary analysis of the IACCS. They seem to have bought into PAF > IAF wholesale which suits us just fine.

Unfortunately for us, the PLAAF hasn't & the more we engage with PAF the more the former will be able to study the IACCS & come up with solutions when we go up against them. This is another compelling reason we should've finished the job during our engagement between 7-10th May itself.

@Jaymax ; @Rajput Lion ; @vstol Jockey et al

While we're on the topic here's a mini documentary on China's attempts at dual use infrastructure on their side of the LAC. Do go thru the comments. It's been completely infested by Wumaos.

 

[RationalGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948634581391081908

I believe India's in the process of implementing this strategy. The IACCS & the various individual grid networks of the different arms of the armed forces is evidence of it .

We've covered considerable ground & there's a lot more ground to be covered though the extent of what we've accomplished with respect to what's mentioned in the report & what we're executing besides planning to execute in the future is unknown.

The level of secrecy is such that forget Indian sources none of the multitude of TTs infesting the West have come up with even a preliminary analysis of the IACCS. They seem to have bought into PAF > IAF wholesale which suits us just fine.

Unfortunately for us, the PLAAF hasn't & the more we engage with PAF the more the former will be able to study the IACCS & come up with solutions when we go up against them. This is another compelling reason we should've finished the job during our engagement between 7-10th May itself.

@Jaymax ; @Rajput Lion ; @vstol Jockey et al

While we're on the topic here's a mini documentary on China's attempts at dual use infrastructure on their side of the LAC. Do go thru the comments. It's been completely infested by Wumaos.

Ytube has been infested by a lot of Chinese bots who are part of the information/psychological warfare strategy of China. As Gen Shukla said, China intends to fight in 7 domains of which information/psychology is a key part.

As for IACCS until AD AH and Kusha are ready we don't have much defence against DF ZF and other hypersonic missiles that China fields. So Kusha and AD AH must be accelerated. As should be our space situational awareness systems to identify and track hypersonic projectiles.