Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

Has it been combat-proven in this conflict? Most of the intercepts India showed were of Turkish drones, and no debris from any Chinese air-to-ground missiles was shown.
While Indians are madly slandering Chinese missiles, Pakistan at least displayed the wreckage of several Storm Shadow and BrahMos missiles.
As for ramjet engines, that was a technology that countries abandoned for use in air-to-air missiles in the 1970s. Of course, India has now decided to give up on it too.
You lost hq-9b. The fatah 2 is basically a chinese a-100 with green colour. Their weren't any Chinese munitions because China doesnt have any good stand off munitions in its inventory. It's just sad copies of American munitions. Your cm-400 was proven to be a dud.
 
Do you believe Pakistan will take pictures of their destroyed SAMs and post it on the Internet?


PL-15, HQ-9, and HQ-16 failed against India. They have to create all new systems for exports now.
The Pakistani Air Force is a premier organization. They have a very good interlinked system, but still, the system failed. This explains the tactics of the IAF that came out of the syllabus. IAF must have mapped the radar area, sending a Banshee drone mimicking a fighter plane using an electronic decoy.
 
You lost hq-9b. The fatah 2 is basically a chinese a-100 with green colour. Their weren't any Chinese munitions because China doesnt have any good stand off munitions in its inventory. It's just sad copies of American munitions. Your cm-400 was proven to be a dud.
Please provide picture evidence of the loss of HQ9, I have not even found an official statement from the Indian government that destroyed HQ9
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The one above is the Fateh 2 and the one below is the A100, are there any similarities?
 
Sorry, I gotta disagree entirely here.

A lawless Pakistan means more infighting and less concern with neighbors. Especially one that's actually powerful and can punish at anytime. Look at the relationship between Israel and Palestine, that works even better for us.

You have assumed that Pakistan will devolve into Afghanistan, and that's likely to happen to KPK, FATA, and Balochistan due to very low HDI. Punjab and Sindh will be relatively stable due to their more educated populations. So these two states can form a buffer state separating us from the ME and CA crazies.

As for Kashmir, we simply don't integrate PoJK (4 million) and PoL (1.5 million) into India for a few decades. Turn them into autonomous UTs and focus on deradicalization and increased economic activity, while taking the time to fence the other side. A population registered under Aadhar will be easy to manage too.

Many people can be "encouraged" to leave these areas permanently anyway. War will have displaced them. All we have to do is build new villages in the newly liberated provinces of erstwhile Pakistan and incentivise them to move. Then comes repopulation by Indians. The population is so small that it's affordable to financially incentivise everyone to behave via central grants. Money creates dependency, but also wealth. And high economic activity will bring in immigration from the rest of India into J&K.

As for future terrorist attacks, you mean the Pakjabis will give us the justification to invade their lands over and over again? Apply the new normal against Pakistan to all future provinces.

Pakistan's existence is a threat to India. Terrorism is not a threat to India. So what we have to live with is quite simple.
Being a devil's advocate!!!

We cannot be in an echo chamber like our green bros... This was to initiate a different line of discussion.... I am not a aman ki thamasa lover. .
 
stand off munitions in its inventory. It's just sad copies of American munitions. Your cm-400 was proven to be a dud.
Your cm-400 was proven to be a dud.
The photos provided by Pakistan are blurry and not very clear, but there are obvious signs of explosions, which may have destroyed several auxiliary vehicles, or the S400 has been moved and hit an open space.
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Even if PAF had the j-20 they wouldn't be able to do anything to us. The PAF fell into the trap of investing entirely on its air force in aerial combat. They had standoff capability too but there's nothing in either the Chinese or Pakistani inventory that's really a problem. The Chinese do have some cruise missiles like the cj-100(supersonic in all flight profiles around mach 5) and yj-18(goes mach 3 in terminal) that could pose us some issues. There are hypersonics too like DF-ZF. But the rest wouldn't be much of a problem for our AD. The real issue would be Chinese swarm drones that will overwhelm our AD.
Chinese swarm drones can be countered with EMP, lasers and L70. Along with Bhargavastra.
Even the Israelis did a SEAD/DEAD destroying Iranian s-300s and multiple air defence radars.

The issue with the j-20 is that it has the superior missile compared to the f-35. If the non-export version of pl-15 is capable as it is claimed by the Chinese with 200-300km range (avg 250km) it will pose major threat to the f-35. Plus with the advantage of higher altitude and higher speed, it will decide the engagement rules. The f-35 will be in a defensive position.
Also i believe J20 has bigger radar which poses further problems for F35.
 
There is no signs of explosions, where do you see the signs of explosions?
Its all dry dusty ground & vehicle marks you stupid dumb Chong

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These two photos are indeed very blurry. Everyone can provide different interpretations. At least Pakistan provided photos, which is much better than some people saying that HQ9 was destroyed without any evidence.
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The photos provided by Pakistan are blurry and not very clear, but there are obvious signs of explosions, which may have destroyed several auxiliary vehicles, or the S400 has been moved and hit an open space.
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Debunked by Damion already. Pakistan & China have produced nothing other than photo-shopped or blurry images till now. Even Taiwanese are saying that they should be untrustful of Chinese companies.

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So when IAF official says mki had Tracked J20,you guys were doing lala things. But F35,but you don't have faith on a cutting edge stealth aircraft like F35 to fight j20.
J-20 is an ASF designed to supercruise(with WS-15s) at 50k+ altitude(Mach 1.5+) with very big(2000 TRM+) GaN AESA radar and its own EOTS. An F-35 that is cruising at Mach 0.9 at 35k feet has literally no chance to intercept or defend against J-20. F-35 is JSF, so a Joint Strike Fighter. That's its primary role to hunt for mobile SAMs using EOTS, AN/APG-81, AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda, EODAS etc. Air-to-air is its secondary role.

We need our own 5th gen ASF to take on J-20. It's going to be AMCA MK2. Since it won't get FOC before 2040, Su-57 or its derivatives are the only option for us to take on J-20/J-36/J-50 head on.
 
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These two photos are indeed very blurry. Everyone can provide different interpretations. At least Pakistan provided photos, which is much better than some people saying that HQ9 was destroyed without any evidence.
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Nothing is there to intepret, like seriously no damage is visible. If you are talking about those black marks then they aren't any damages, when a missile damages the soil then there is soil spillage which is not visible at all. There is maybe something placed on the ground or DGISPR just photoshopped some SAT imagery.
 
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Debunked by Damion already. Pakistan & China have produced nothing other than photo-shopped or blurry images till now. Even Taiwanese are saying that they should be untrustful of Chinese companies.

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Everyone has a different interpretation, and Indian bloggers will certainly look for evidence that is favorable to India.
I also have no absolute evidence that the S400 was destroyed
Also, that Chinese blogger is the descendant of a famous corrupt criminal, and he is making up lies about all Chinese weapons. Even Taiwanese people are accusing him of frequently posting fake news.
 
Everyone has a different interpretation, and Indian bloggers will certainly look for evidence that is favorable to India.
I also have no absolute evidence that the S400 was destroyed
Also, that Chinese blogger is the descendant of a famous corrupt criminal, and he is making up lies about all Chinese weapons. Even Taiwanese people are accusing him of frequently posting fake news.
Hilarious coping!!!
Images with such clarity were released on May 13.
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Its been almost a week since ceasefire happened. No clear images of damage on Indian side should be enough evidence as to what happened. Ofcourse Pakistanis/Chinese will keep coping about such inconclusive images because thats all they have. There are thousands of satellites taking pictures of earth everyday. NOT A SINGLE one has given any conclusive proof of strikes on indian bases. India's investment into its air-defence is bearing fruits.
 
Everyone has a different interpretation, and Indian bloggers will certainly look for evidence that is favorable to India.
I also have no absolute evidence that the S400 was destroyed
Also, that Chinese blogger is the descendant of a famous corrupt criminal, and he is making up lies about all Chinese weapons. Even Taiwanese people are accusing him of frequently posting fake news.
Mate the SAT imagery literally isn't showing any damage, you can be anyone and tell that there is no damage visible. You literally don't have anything to interpret when a proper SAT imagery is available which shows no damage.
 
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Houthis or the proof that a doctrine against high-tech asset can score :

Let me summarize: an IR camera can detect an F-35 or any other aircraft passing within range. A TV camera and a good pair of eyes can achieve the same result. Then it all depends on the network of spotters/cameras. Of course, spotters are less effective at night. Based on this principle, which isn't very difficult to understand once you've left behind the imaginary world of invisible aircraft, the Houthis have set up lookouts for any flying targets passing close by - the principle of the mine, in fact. All that's needed to guide the missile is the right LAN and a slightly reactive terminal guidance system.

In short, against a mobile defense using this AA mine strategy, stealth missiles risk seeing their effective area of action severely limited.

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Houthis scored nothing. No hit on F-16s, F-18s, B-2s or F-35's. Nobody knows anything when it comes "F-35 had to maneuver because of a missile." No details if the F-35 got locked (very unlikely) or if the pilot saw a cold launch of a SAM and decided to move.

Look I get it you're still reeling from losing a Rafale in air combat possibly 3 but you're grasping at straws with this and going off topic making Aswin work his butt off cleaning this thread.
Chinese swarm drones can be countered with EMP, lasers and L70. Along with Bhargavastra.

Also i believe J20 has bigger radar which poses further problems for F35.
Lol. No.