Chinese Missile Systems : Discussions

[South block]

Seeker ...... Whole thing is intact lol





Type WNB7068H-A Ku-band TR component

Production Date: July 2015

No. 55 Research Facility, China Electronics Technology Group Corporation

 

[RASALGHUL]

Seeker ...... Whole thing is intact lol

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Type WNB7068H-A Ku-band TR component

Production Date: July 2015

No. 55 Research Facility, China Electronics Technology Group Corporation

Who took these Pics? What language is present at bottom of pics?

 

[South block]

Who took these Pics? What language is present at bottom of pics?

It's Chinese.... I posted translation

 

[Rajput Lion]

Seeker ...... Whole thing is intact lol

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Type WNB7068H-A Ku-band TR component

Production Date: July 2015

No. 55 Research Facility, China Electronics Technology Group Corporation

If production batch of this seeker is July 2015 then it's the full-blown PL-15 itself that MKI(our jets) has defeated. The E version was announced just few years ago while the original PL-15 is in service from 2015/16 itself.

If my speculation is true then it's a huge find by us to decipher enemy sensors for ECM and counter ECCM, IMO.

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[South block]

If production batch of this seeker is July 2015 then it's the full-blown PL-15 itself that MKI(our jets) has defeated. The E version was announced just few years ago while the original PL-15 is in service from 2015/16 itself.

If my speculation is true then it's a huge find by us to decipher enemy sensors.

@randomradio, @vstol Jockey, @marich01, @Ashwin, @Ironhide, @Speedster1, @nair, @Hellfire, @Milspec, @_Anonymous_ , @SammyBoi, @Sathya, @Picdelamirand-oil, @Bon Plan, @South block, @Asterion Moloc, @YoungWolf, @Bali78 et al

We can actually get a lot of information by just looking at the antenna array forget about rest of the systems..... Knowing it's material composition & measuring the T/R module dimension can easily give us the wavelength the seeker operating in + power it's consuming & so on...... This is just a 10 year old missile & the best Chinese has to offer & Pakistan just f***d Chongs in the butt..... They are already crying in r/China about this

 

[randomradio]

We can actually get a lot of information by just looking at the antenna array forget about rest of the systems..... Knowing it's material composition & measuring the T/R module dimension can easily give us the wavelength the seeker operating in + power it's consuming & so on...... This is just a 10 year old missile & the best Chinese has to offer & Pakistan just f***d Chongs in the butt..... They are already crying in R/China about this

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The warhead is missing in the video, while the airframe and seeker are fine. That's normal for AAMs.

When an AAM's warhead activates, it pushes the seeker forward and the fragmentation warhead explodes all around the missile without damaging it.

That's also why the Pakistanis found an R-73 with only its warhead missing. It was the same thing.

If the warhead is missing then the missile has done its job. Whether it was a miss or led to a kill, that's a different story. To get a real intact missile, we need the warhead too.

 

[Lolwa]

If production batch of this seeker is July 2015 then it's the full-blown PL-15 itself that MKI(our jets) has defeated. The E version was announced just few years ago while the original PL-15 is in service from 2015/16 itself.

If my speculation is true then it's a huge find by us to decipher enemy sensors for ECM and counter ECCM, IMO.

@randomradio, @vstol Jockey, @marich01, @Ashwin, @Ironhide, @Speedster1, @nair, @Hellfire, @Milspec, @_Anonymous_ , @SammyBoi, @Sathya, @Picdelamirand-oil, @Bon Plan, @South block, @Asterion Moloc, @YoungWolf, @Bali78 et al

Would make sense actually if they were able to push us back into our airspace for that long. They might actually have used the original variants of pl-15.
The pl-15E doesn't really bring that much of a difference. We ourselves have the astra mk1, r-27ER as options that could have engaged them. And news reports from foreign twitter handles and "thinktanks" is coming that the bvr fights took place at 160km which is more than the range of pl-15E. The Pakistanis have themselves said that they were using non-export pl-15's too. So that might explain why they were so aggressive.

 

[RationalGuy]

@LX1111 dear comrade from the east you said the glorious air defence of the invincible Peoples Republic could stop even Agni 5 but the mighty HQ9 can't even handle subsonic cruise missiles? What does that say about your other air defence systems?

 

[Amarante]

@LX1111

You can see the drag marks on the ground.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920717302821007367

The missile fell intact, so it was a soft landing, and you can still see the ground damage. There's no such thing visible in the M88 video.

@Amarante @Picdelamirand-oil

(...) we are not discussing this anymore, it's pointless. (...)

 

[CATS @hunter]

The HQ systems were completely failed not able to protect a single airbase, unlike it's counterparts on the other side face wave after wave attacks almost had over More than 90% interception rate, over a such a big geographical area, from Gujarat to leh,
There was no interception for brahmos it hit multiple airbase and got kill such as 5 PAF personal and injuring 12 others in bholari out of those dead were 4 pilots,

 

[randomradio]

Just added more context to the original point. There was no new argument then.

More arguments have been made now, after a ceasefire was declared. Post 1930.

Post in thread 'Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan'

May 10, 2025

So this all was a fukken propaganda???

Apart from dismissing the tail fin for the moment. There's also an M88 video.

Discussed and rebuted here.

And this is the reason.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921034310208848177

You can see the crater on the same type of terrain. The M88 crash site is way too clean.

Apart from that, all other crashes have no wreckages. There's one with a supposed Mirage 2000's M53, but no wreckage. There's another with 2 rings, we can't see the wreckage.

Here's a...

• randomradio

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[South block]

Chinese systems turned out to be dud or it was pure Porkee incompetence at display for everyone to see.

 

[RationalGuy]

Chinese systems turned out to be dud or it was pure Porkee incompetence at display for everyone to see.

Their air defence systems was definitely a dud but with all due respect a lot of evidence is pointing to the fact that their J10C and PL15 combination is indeed very deadly.

 

[LX1111]

@LX1111

You can see the drag marks on the ground.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920717302821007367

The missile fell intact, so it was a soft landing, and you can still see the ground damage. There's no such thing visible in the M88 video.

@Amarante @Picdelamirand-oil

This is a photo of the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 after it was shot down by a Buk missile. You can't see any damage to the wheat field on the ground either. This is because the passenger plane disintegrated in the air, and what appeared on the ground were just the debris. I think the situation of the Rafale fighter jet is the same.

 

[LX1111]

@LX1111 dear comrade from the east you said the glorious air defence of the invincible Peoples Republic could stop even Agni 5 but the mighty HQ9 can't even handle subsonic cruise missiles? What does that say about your other air defence systems?

Pakistan doesn't have the HQ-19 missile, nor does it have the HQ-29 or HQ-26 missiles.
Pakistan only has the HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles. There is no evidence to suggest whether these missiles provide protection for Indian attacks on Pakistani targets and other areas.
Unless you can, like Russia or Ukraine, use ballistic missiles to directly destroy the air defense system and then use drones to capture the footage. Otherwise, all of this is just empty talk.

 

[RationalGuy]

Pakistan doesn't have the HQ-19 missile, nor does it have the HQ-29 or HQ-26 missiles.
Pakistan only has the HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles. There is no evidence to suggest whether these missiles provide protection for Indian attacks on Pakistani targets and other areas.
Unless you can, like Russia or Ukraine, use ballistic missiles to directly destroy the air defense system and then use drones to capture the footage. Otherwise, all of this is just empty talk.

With all due respect, what would the HQ9 and HQ16 be protecting if not the critical airbases (some of which were literally
in the capital region) which were struck by Indian missiles? Basically you are either saying your air defence systems fails against even subsonic cruise missiles or that your ally considers them so precious it doesn't even use it when needed. Either of them is not a good look.

United States has the most comprehensive BMD capability with much more sophisticated BMD detection capabilities both in space land and sea when compared to China. AFAIK none of the Chinese systems are close to US GMD deployed in Alaska and California. Im not even sure if China has deployed ship based BMD with similar capability as Aegis (even if they do its impossible it can intercept Agni as Agni will fly over land before striking its targets in China or Pakistan in a supposed nuclear conflict). And even then according to the US estimates they would have a hard time intercepting MIRV with decoys. US managed to deploy only around 80 GMD due to high cost. Do you honestly believe your copy of PAC and THAAD can stop multiple MIRV with decoys? If yes then I truly admire the confidence of the Chinese.

 

[LX1111]

With all due respect, what would the HQ9 and HQ16 be protecting if not the critical airbases (some of which were literally
in the capital region) which were struck by Indian missiles? Basically you are either saying your air defence systems fails against even subsonic cruise missiles or that your ally considers them so precious it doesn't even use it when needed. Either of them is not a good look.

United States has the most comprehensive BMD capability with much more sophisticated BMD detection capabilities both in space land and sea when compared to China. AFAIK none of the Chinese systems are close to US GMD deployed in Alaska and California. Im not even sure if China has deployed ship based BMD with similar capability as Aegis (even if they do its impossible it can intercept Agni as Agni will fly over land before striking its targets in China or Pakistan in a supposed nuclear conflict). And even then according to the US estimates they would have a hard time intercepting MIRV with decoys. US managed to deploy only around 80 GMD due to high cost. Do you honestly believe your copy of PAC and THAAD can stop multiple MIRV with decoys? If yes then I truly admire the confidence of the Chinese.

If the Indians could release a video showing the destruction of a HQ-9 or HQ-16 radar station using missiles, just like Ukraine did with the S-400 missiles. I think all the Chinese and Pakistani people would admit the limitations of China's air defense missiles. However, India did not do this.

 

[RationalGuy]

Do you know how many HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles are there in Pakistan? Do you know how many important ones are there that we need for air defense protection?
Unfortunately, Pakistan is a poor country.There isn't enough money to buy enough anti-aircraft missiles.
If the Indians could release a video showing the destruction of a HQ-9 or HQ-16 radar station using missiles, just like they did with the S-400 missiles, I believe all the Chinese and Pakistani people would admit the limitations of China's air defense missiles. However, India did not do so.

I'm asking about the inability of HQ9 to intercept even subsonic cruise missiles and you're jumping to our claims of destroying it lol. We destroyed only 1, Pakistan obviously has more than 1 HQ9 system. What were they doing when indian missiles were hitting their airbase even an airbase in their capital? You didn't adress my question on the capability of HQ26 to intercept MIRV with decoy moving st hypersonic speed and also conducting maneuver BTW. Do you think HQ26 is the same capability as GMD?

 

[LX1111]

I'm asking about the inability of HQ9 to intercept even subsonic cruise missiles and you're jumping to our claims of destroying it lol. We destroyed only 1, Pakistan obviously has more than 1 HQ9 system. What were they doing when indian missiles were hitting their airbase even an airbase in their capital? You didn't adress my question on the capability of HQ26 to intercept MIRV with decoy moving st hypersonic speed and also conducting maneuver BTW. Do you think HQ26 is the same capability as GMD?

I'm asking about the inability of HQ9 to intercept even subsonic cruise missiles and you're jumping to our claims of destroying it lol. We destroyed only 1, Pakistan obviously has more than 1 HQ9 system. What were they doing when indian missiles were hitting their airbase even an airbase in their capital? You didn't adress my question on the capability of HQ26 to intercept MIRV with decoy moving st hypersonic speed and also conducting maneuver BTW. Do you think HQ26 is the same capability as GMD?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/372307693_lanjiegaokongmubiaodezhongjufangkongdaodanzongtisheji

This is the paper. Poor child, read it yourself.

 

[Rajput Lion]

If the Indians could release a video showing the destruction of a HQ-9 or HQ-16 radar station using missiles, just like Ukraine did with the S-400 missiles. I think all the Chinese and Pakistani people would admit the limitations of China's air defense missiles. However, India did not do this.

Idiot, there are multiple pics/videos of BrahMos-A destroying Pakistani airbases with impunity and your air-defence could do jack to stop 'em. Face it, your HQ-9/16 has been humiliated by IAF. .

On the other hand, the whole world saw how Indian IADS literally destroyed over 95% drones, missiles and even jets that Pak dared to send into our airspace.

We recovered your whole PL-15 intact. This is very bad news for you, trust me