Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

[FenicromovCW]

Kashmir is long drawn issue, with no permanent solution in near future until India has stomach for taking big damage. Angle of religious fanatism increases complexity and reduces options to solve this issue. But some day someone have to take bitter pill and take harder but right path.

 

[Paro]

Govt is already trying to push the incident below the carpet. Not one statement blaming pak, even amit shah said they will be hunted down. Not a single statement against pak.

 

[Sathya]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914945967432052862

 

[randomradio]

Independent Balochistan is the medium term Solution

This is our best chance to create a 3 front situation for Pakistan

Their own analysts are not happy

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914782546082046214

Just separating Balochistan alone can render the state moot. Sindh and the Pashtuns will follow.

 

[randomradio]

Do we have the resources yet in the valley to actually get those 4? Good numbers are still along LAC. And we have delayed repeatedly raising the promised new units for LAC.

We are more than good for a one-front war. If we are short in numbers, we can make all the Agniveers permanent in this round. That's 120k troops in all.

 

[randomradio]

Attacking pakistan overtly now will only help the military monkeys , it will take the pressure of them and the opposition imran khan will also end up supporting military. Best is to target them covertly and inflict significant economic & military damage. Its a war of attrition , chest thumping & playing to gallery will not help us any way.

We can start by prepping for dissolving indus treaty in indus river. Hit their major economic centers & infra like power,ports, railways over a period of time. Once the economy hits the doldrums , then pakistanis themselves will take the monkeys to cleaners.

We need to be as overt as possible. We already saw how they tried to downplay both Balakot and Swift Retreat. The PA needs to be publicly seen as helpless.

If our action is big enough, it will further weaken their hold over the country. For example, a limited war will weaken their western border tremendously. And no one's coming to resuce their economy this time.

 

[HariPrasad]

Kashmir is long drawn issue, with no permanent solution in near future until India has stomach for taking big damage. Angle of religious fanatism increases complexity and reduces options to solve this issue. But some day someone have to take bitter pill and take harder but right path.

Hitler said that "issue of anything is right or wrong may be decided by Arbitrament of War". This arbitration always favors powerful. However, in spite of being in advantageous position, we have always lost this advantage. It is Pure cowardice.

 

[HariPrasad]

Surgical strike is an option but it needs to be multiple. You do simultaneous combined arms surgical strikes. That means you send ghataks and cut some Pakistani heads off like op apache then kill some jihadi trainig centre using para sf and then use the IAF to bomb some HVT's. All while doing ceasefire violations actually targetting villages in neelam valley, shopian for atleast a week obviously use those new loitering munitions to kill more of these Pakistani dogs. Heck pay some of those Karachi hitmen and kill some Pakistani jernails and their family and increase the funding of the balochis,TTP and afghan taliban. It's really easy actually. Pay some jihadis to bomb their mosques do a repeat of aps peshawar. We have the money we can actually produce arms to arm them too and pump them through iranian Balochistan and Afghanistan. It's super easy actually. But we have a vegetarian gujju leading this hellhole of a country.

Jews are Baniyas at the end of the day. The relationship ends with the transaction.

This should not be a single event. it should be continuous process like what Israel does. Whenever you get any input, neutralize the target. If Pakistan retaliates, use the opportunity to wipe out their air defense system and Airforce in a single massive strike. There will be some risk of nuclear escalation. Be prepare to wipe out whole Pakistan in one go if that happens.

 

[randomradio]

We need to officially recognize Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism,

Others have to play that game. Particularly the West.

and implement primary & secondary economic sanctions as well i.e. a company from a 3rd country that does business in Pak cannot be allowed to do business in India. Need to start with sectors where we have the most leverage.

Sadly we do not have sufficient leverage to do that. If we do it and someone still goes through with it, it will hit our prestige. Even China cannot do that, and neither can America or the EU. Look at both the US and EU struggling with Russia.

 

[HariPrasad]

JD Vance still there? You need to tell me to leave before more bad sht happens. He visits dee pope and pope dies next day and now he's in India and India gets attacked. I don't believe in coincidence.

Let him finish his visit. Be normal and prepare in background. Massive retaliation is inevitable. One week for preparation followed by neutralization of all identified targets. This time his nuclear installation subsequent to wiping out all Airforce and missile power.

 

[randomradio]

As one of the largest contributors to the IMF, don't we have any veto over how much money Pak gets? They are back to their old games again because international aid is flowing freely and FATF scrutiny is over. Climate finance is now their newest tactic for getting foreign funds. Squeeze their funds and they'll behave.

We tried and failed. Now we have to hasten their implosion by raising costs at the border.

Imo, the govt may not want to launch airstrikes to avoid another Abhinandan type scenario which precluded further operations in Feb 2019. We need to launch missile strikes to take down key terrorist targets. Secondly, it's time to adopt a scorched earth policy and burn down the Pir Panjal forests Plug all known entry and exit routes used by terriorists in the past. Covert ops against key jihadi leaders need to be scaled up too.

Pilots need to be told what's at stake.

 

[HariPrasad]

Attacking pakistan overtly now will only help the military monkeys , it will take the pressure of them and the opposition imran khan will also end up supporting military. Best is to target them covertly and inflict significant economic & military damage. Its a war of attrition , chest thumping & playing to gallery will not help us any way.

We can start by prepping for dissolving indus treaty in indus river. Hit their major economic centers & infra like power,ports, railways over a period of time. Once the economy hits the doldrums , then pakistanis themselves will take the monkeys to cleaners.

If it is covert, what will you do with public who demands revenge. If that is done covertly, BJP will lose election and traitors will back to power.

 

[HariPrasad]

Did you read what I wrote? Su-30MKI + BrahMos combo allows us to pound them from well within our space at will. Our jets don't need to cross the border to succeed. BrahMos has the speed + stealth plus unknown launch vector(Air launch) to do the damage read major devastation to their terror infra and manpower.

Post that keep S-400 & Rafale in stand by mode and let 40N6 and Meteor do the talking when they( read Suaars) try Swift Retreat 2.

Even Glide bomb with 100+ K.M. Range Gautham, SAAW, Spice 2000 and Hammer can do atleast half of the work. Major Pakistani installations are withing 100 k.m. from our area.

 

[Parthu]

Others have to play that game. Particularly the West.

Not necessarily. It'll just mean we downgrade our diplomatic relations with Pak - which we already did. Just with a label this time.

Sadly we do not have sufficient leverage to do that. If we do it and someone still goes through with it, it will hit our prestige. Even China cannot do that, and neither can America or the EU. Look at both the US and EU struggling with Russia.

Another way to go about this is targeted sanctioning of companies that are owned/invested in by PA Generals.

 

[lcafanboy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914866257981247628

 

[Parthu]

Did you read what I wrote? Su-30MKI + BrahMos combo allows us to pound them from well within our space at will. Our jets don't need to cross the border to succeed. BrahMos has the speed + stealth plus unknown launch vector(Air launch) to do the damage read major devastation to their terror infra and manpower.

Post that keep S-400 & Rafale in stand by mode and let 40N6 and Meteor do the talking when they( read Suaars) try Swift Retreat 2.

We have loads of options for a first strike. That's not the problem.

The problem is that there will be a conventional retaliation from Pak just like in 2019. After they carry it out, we'll have two options: either escalate further which may drag us into a month-long limited war (which might derail our economic plans indefinitely, but in the end won't solve root causes of the problem anyway), OR we do nothing, let Pak throw the last punch. Again.

Neither are enticing options. The PMO lost a lot of faith in the IAF's ability after 2019. They know that our tactical equation is just not where we'd like it to be. We don't yet have the ability to deal decisive, knockout blows that rob the enemy of the ability to retaliate.

But unfortunately, our tactical equation vis-a-vis Pak is still roughly at the same level today as it was 6 years ago. Just slightly better (Rafale ~ J-10CE, S400 ~ HQ9P). This is why I keep saying that we don't have time to play games with IAF procurement anymore.

Procuring a handful squadrons of silver bullets is not the answer - because Pak can also acquire silver bullets in similar quantities from China to negate any apparent advantage. Yes, their silver might be less shiny than our's, but that's not enough to obtain a decisive advantage.

We need mass - significantly large numbers of tactical effectors, albeit moderately shiny, are the only thing which Pak can neither make nor procure. Until & unless we have ~400+ single engine AESA-equipped MRCAs and a fully built-up IRF with a rapidly churning industrial base that can supply hundreds of missiles per month, we won't have the ability to deal those knockout blows.

 

[nair]

Revenge is a dish best served cold!!

 

[CATS @hunter]

We are more than good for a one-front war. If we are short in numbers, we can make all the Agniveers permanent in this round. That's 120k troops in all.

There are troops for fighting long war, bsf & CRPF almost every battalion has seen combats fighting the war on Red corridor, now they maoists insurgency is almost dead, why not pull of those troops, greyhounds who have played key role in ending the naxal insurgency are doing nothing, less missions for them now, it will be a wasting of such resources let them go, entire unit's who have fought decades in thick jungles, same with odisha sog, STF chattisgarh, IRB battalions from northeast and STF, Maharashtra c-60, there's a enough fighting force, if you want to polish them more you sure can give them additional trainings

 

[Defc0n]

We have loads of options for a first strike. That's not the problem.

The problem is that there will be a conventional retaliation from Pak just like in 2019. After they carry it out, we'll have two options: either escalate further which may drag us into a month-long limited war (which might derail our economic plans indefinitely, but in the end won't solve root causes of the problem anyway), OR we do nothing, let Pak throw the last punch. Again.

Neither are enticing options. The PMO lost a lot of faith in the IAF's ability after 2019. They know that our tactical equation is just not where we'd like it to be. We don't yet have the ability to deal decisive, knockout blows that rob the enemy of the ability to retaliate.

But unfortunately, our tactical equation vis-a-vis Pak is still roughly at the same level today as it was 6 years ago. Just slightly better (Rafale ~ J-10CE, S400 ~ HQ9P). This is why I keep saying that we don't have time to play games with IAF procurement anymore.

Procuring a handful squadrons of silver bullets is not the answer - because Pak can also acquire silver bullets in similar quantities from China to negate any apparent advantage. Yes, their silver might be less shiny than our's, but that's not enough to obtain a decisive advantage.

We need mass - significantly large numbers of tactical effectors, albeit moderately shiny, are the only thing which Pak can neither make nor procure. Until & unless we have ~400+ single engine AESA-equipped MRCAs and a fully built-up IRF with a rapidly churning industrial base that can supply hundreds of missiles per month, we won't have the ability to deal those knockout blows.

This is exactly what I mentioned in my post last night. Picking the example of a missile attack (say we deploy Brahmos), they will respond with something similar. One way to negate that is to have our ADS systems up and running in all sensitive locations and shoot down a few of their missiles. However, given the attack against civilians on our soil, the response from Indian side has to be decisive and deadly and manifold higher in intensity than Balakote. Another option is a massive debilitating strike against all Pak infra - destroy their ability to fight with a massive strike throughout the country - electricity, transport, communications should all be disabled. They will have one option - that option is the one they cannot afford to choose.

 

[randomradio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914866257981247628

The military has been ready for years now. PA is significantly outclassed and PAF even more so.

In 2019 the IA had enough ammo for a one-front war, whereas now they have enough for both fronts. IAF was still in the 3rd/4th gen era, and now in the 5th gen. Both now have the most modern communications and networking technologies. EW and cyberwarfare capabilities have gone through the roof. The biggest change was seen in the IAF with the inductions of Rafale, S-400, and MRSAM. Plus pretty much everything old we have has been upgraded. We have even deployed soft and hard-kill CUAS. And, unlike Pakistan, we are flush with money.