I agree with you .It's a waste of resources. The only silver lining is Tejas is part of the exercise. Otherwise the whole thing is really not needed.
Keep foran maal at borders and use it in war.
I give you an example, more Mig 21 have rusted than downed in war. So you can see it yourself lol
Sir.
Not every manoeuvre undertaken has to result in a war or a conflict. Armed forces of any nation need to train. And that is precisely what is being played out.
It is perhaps after a long time that we have undertaken a simultaneous two front situation openly. Last public posturing had been undertaken in form of Operation Chequerboard and Brasstacks, which were simultaneous and sequential posturing with Brasstacks simulating a war on west and the Chequerboard testing the capability of reinforcing capability in North and North East in an offensive capability in Himalayas.
To my Logical understanding I am sure IAF has done this silently many times. If not what have they been doing in the name of training and equipment synchronization. I take these kind of exercise just as power projection.
We could have done this Exercise Quietly too but the very fact that we are Making Our ENEMIES know is a sign that we are ready for them
All these concepts would have been practiced Before
It indeed is meant to send out a message. You are absolutely right about that. Only the fools actually look to fight.
However, I found your series of posts disturbing as you exhibited your abhorrence (?) to the exercise. Would you not agree that it is better to have a public dissuasive posturing to send out a message as opposed to actually allowing for a situation where you may be called upon to go along the route that you want to avoid?
The nation and it's forces are only as strong as the citizenry. To try and separate the two in terms of effort and capability of a nation to wage war, is a futile exercise. Hence, the posturing and declaration have both a domestic and an international intent.
Let us be very clear - POK is gone forever. Let us also be very clear that we can do naught in Pakistan any more. The next biggest challenge will be in Kashmir and along the Northern Borders as China seeks to ramp up pressure on India not only to insure itself in Pakistan, but also in all the countries in Indian sub-continent.
Sir , I would be very worried if the establishment & the security managers in the country share your view .You seem to be confirming the age old doctrine of India fighting defensive wars . On the one hand you clearly affirm our biggest challenges are going to be in Kashmir simultaneously along our N & NE border with China and on the other you seem perfectly comfortable with the thought of us fighting such an insurgency coupled with a growing Pak China Nexus pressurizing us on the borders and in the larger neighbourhood by being subordinate to this doctrine .
Now I'm all for fighting an insurgency as in Kashmir by sponsoring such a proxy war in Pakistan but I've doubts about its efficacy and to the commitment levels by the very same political establishment and our security managers .
The situation in both Kashmir & AfPak is rapidly deteriorating . Would you then be so sanguine as to argue for persistence of belief in such a doctrine of fighting limited defensive wars within our borders as in the past ? Or does it call for a different doctrine , a radically different doctrine , perhaps? Having asked you that and assuming you would opt for the latter , may I ask you to spell it out , if you can , assuming it's indeed different and not a variation in our current doctrine .
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Whether we like it or not ; war with pakistan will happen
When you have such Pure evil as your neighbor
war is only a matter of time ; ie When Not If
pakistan will never stop its terror attacks and then we will be forced to hit back
Depends on which party is ruling India then. We have seen enough "Kaddi Nindas" from our previous governments!!
My point was simple and I repeat India being one of the powerful countries doing power projection with imported weapons only because India lacks capability at home to produce them sounds funny to me. It may show off Purchasing Power and arsenal but the actual capability of a nation lies in its industrial capacity to design and develop weapons. This may work to spread your influence in south Asia and China but not beyond that.
Now since you have read my posts few months back which were on POK you brought this argument on this thread also. I would only say that the new generation is very keen to get back POK. Border changes in every 50 years. We still claim the whole POK and it will be ours.
Taking back POK tactically is possible the guts of our leaders fall down only because Pakistan possesses nuclear weapons. India pakistan scenario is always different. Here the question is always about the territorial gain. Pakistan will not be in a condition to launch nuclear strike on India. Neither India has guts to launch nuclear strike on Pakistan. Before anything even close to nuclear comes, there will be interventions. India just has to make sure that India holds the territory.
A preemptive attack is the only way to move forward where all of Pakistan's military assets, communication, ammunition depots, airfields, radars, missile bases and military/ISI HQ are completely annihilated within hours of the war. Recovering territory will be an easy task, keeping hold over it will be a tricky one.
Actually the idea is to find our weak spot, It is better to find them during an exercise rather than realising it during a war, Are you suggesting that the outcome of such exercise would be available with Enemy???? Well most probably the leaks would be adequate to ensure that enemy is made to understand what the over all outcome, rather than one or two short falls.....There are different scenarios and doctrines get tested, some may fail and some may succeed, but in both the cases you get important information on those doctrines, or maneuvers which will be used in actual scenario...... (i do not know @Falcon has already addressed this, havent read the last page yet)
I guess we do not intent to capture any land from Pakistan, and we will be happy to settle the dispute with Status Quo....... We probably may take some part of it which we believe is strategically important to us..... Nothing beyond that....
If you want to be a noted power, then we will have to develop capacity and capabilities to fight them.... Assuming that we are saints and we are just doing everything to defend would be naive...... One can safely assume that we are doing everything we can do to protect our interest.... It need not be a tit for tat action...... China has out sourced Pakistan to keep India on Check, and will arm Pakistan in every possible way.... But on the other side, it is good for us, as the deals are not good in long term for pakistan, and it is going to be difficult for them.... They could avoid and ignore US, but not china...... The sailing would not be as smooth as it is now.....Chinese started showing them who are the masters... .and in some quarters there is a belief that chinese are no different (if not worse) than what US was....
I guess we can trust our security establishment on this.... But i am sure we are not gonna repay them by the same way.....
There is no connection between the two issues mentioned.... Kashmir issue is a tricky issue, as the locals are joining militancy, though their average life is very low, but their funerals are creating more terrorists...... So it is not easy.... And things are not like 90;s..... Add IS to this equation (though they are not significant, but )
Suggest one..... Every doctrine has its pros and cons, and there is no perfect doctrine as such..... Especially considering the every changing scenarios....
