India–United Kingdom relations : Updates

The guy who removed the flag was arrested.

Officers arrested a man on suspicion of violent disorder after windows were smashed during a protest outside the building in Aldwych, Westminster, on Sunday.


Two security guards sustained minor injuries as police rushed to the building to quell the unrest.

As for the issue protested, like the vast majority of British people I would have to do a Google search to even know WTF it was about.
 
The guy who removed the flag was arrested.
Evidently you don't believe precaution is better than abortion which explains the preponderance of bustards in your population. As much as 40-50% I believe.

Well it's a bit late for all these futile gestures , my dear cutlet , your collective goose is cooked . That FTA BoJo & Truss the demented tried so hard for has been flushed down the toilet.
 
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The guy who removed the flag was arrested.



As for the issue protested, like the vast majority of British people I would have to do a Google search to even know WTF it was about.
Issue is UK and Canada going an extra mile to allow extremist organisations to not only demonstrate, which it done peacefully is alright, but to turn blind eye towards repeated harm done on Indian people, including but not limited to diplomats. This is the same UK where 2nd Senior most Indian diplomat was murdered gruesomely and UK did nothing untill killers reached their safe house in Pakistan. It arrested and then released a person claiming to be involved later on.

Nothing is going to happen this arrested person as well. However mind you, relations have taken dangerous turn, it would be very difficult to repair ties for foreseeable future.
 
Issue is UK and Canada going an extra mile to allow extremist organisations to not only demonstrate, which it done peacefully is alright, but to turn blind eye towards repeated harm done on Indian people, including but not limited to diplomats. This is the same UK where 2nd Senior most Indian diplomat was murdered gruesomely and UK did nothing untill killers reached their safe house in Pakistan. It arrested and then released a person claiming to be involved later on.

Nothing is going to happen this arrested person as well. However mind you, relations have taken dangerous turn, it would be very difficult to repair ties for foreseeable future.
Lot of prejudgement here.
 
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Lot of prejudgement here.
What's prejudgement here?

Canada sympathetic to Khalistani terrorism?



Canada mainstreaming of Khalistani terrorists?


Canada inviting convicted Khalistani terrorist to PM dinner meet?

Removal of Khalistani terrorism from listing & book records? Wasn't bombing of Air India and killing of Indians not terrorism? What about Canadian courts judgement declaring Khalistani illegal activities as terrorism?

Canada and UK have both been dealing with Khalistani terror with soft gloves, even Western experts agree with such assessment since decades.


Khalistani murdering Indians on Canadian and UK soil, just like going to purchase milk?
Khalistani terrorism in Canada

Sikh lawyer and community activist Ujjal Dosanjh, later a premier of British Columbia – the westernmost province of Canada - and a federal health minister, was viciously beaten by a Khalistani in Vancouver. The attacker, Jaspal Atwal of the International Sikh Youth Federation, was freed on a technicality after a novice detective blew up the case. Dosanjh survived only because his law partner appeared at the parking lot.

Atwal later went on to shoot a Punjab cabinet minister Malkiat Singh Sidhu, on Vancouver Island in 1986 (he survived but was assassinated in Punjab five years later); and, shockingly, was with the delegation of Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau visiting India in 2018 and was photographed with Trudeau’s wife at a reception in Mumbai.

Violently attacking Indian people isn't terrorism if done by Khalistani terrorists?

See how terrorism is mainstreamed?

I guess there were wrong too, right?

I guess abduction of diplomats is considered non-terror in Canada/UK?

See another convicted terrorist gets a free gift, in an incident 100s of people were blown to smithereens, I don't believe that's considered terrorism in Canada and UK again, right?

See how a convicted Khalistani terrorist is glorified by UK and its polity, they were not in wrong, correct?

I guess murder of Indian diplomat isn't considered terrorism as per UK standards? Guess what, no punishment for anybody, case investigation bungled up...

UK shows its sincerity by pleading with Pakistan to handover terrorists after allowing them to run away. Ended up bungling the investigation whatever it could be called and got lone convicted terrorist released...
 
What's prejudgement here?

Canada sympathetic to Khalistani terrorism?



Canada mainstreaming of Khalistani terrorists?


Canada inviting convicted Khalistani terrorist to PM dinner meet?

Removal of Khalistani terrorism from listing & book records? Wasn't bombing of Air India and killing of Indians not terrorism? What about Canadian courts judgement declaring Khalistani illegal activities as terrorism?

Canada and UK have both been dealing with Khalistani terror with soft gloves, even Western experts agree with such assessment since decades.


Khalistani murdering Indians on Canadian and UK soil, just like going to purchase milk?
Khalistani terrorism in Canada

Sikh lawyer and community activist Ujjal Dosanjh, later a premier of British Columbia – the westernmost province of Canada - and a federal health minister, was viciously beaten by a Khalistani in Vancouver. The attacker, Jaspal Atwal of the International Sikh Youth Federation, was freed on a technicality after a novice detective blew up the case. Dosanjh survived only because his law partner appeared at the parking lot.

Atwal later went on to shoot a Punjab cabinet minister Malkiat Singh Sidhu, on Vancouver Island in 1986 (he survived but was assassinated in Punjab five years later); and, shockingly, was with the delegation of Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau visiting India in 2018 and was photographed with Trudeau’s wife at a reception in Mumbai.

Violently attacking Indian people isn't terrorism if done by Khalistani terrorists?

See how terrorism is mainstreamed?

I guess there were wrong too, right?

I guess abduction of diplomats is considered non-terror in Canada/UK?

See another convicted terrorist gets a free gift, in an incident 100s of people were blown to smithereens, I don't believe that's considered terrorism in Canada and UK again, right?

See how a convicted Khalistani terrorist is glorified by UK and its polity, they were not in wrong, correct?

I guess murder of Indian diplomat isn't considered terrorism as per UK standards? Guess what, no punishment for anybody, case investigation bungled up...

UK shows its sincerity by pleading with Pakistan to handover terrorists after allowing them to run away. Ended up bungling the investigation whatever it could be called and got lone convicted terrorist released...
What do you expect us to do about it? Politicians make tons of mistakes that the media exposes. Don't be blaming us just because assholes come over from your country and bring their problems with them. We have enough problems to deal with due to assholes from elsewhere without tracking all your assholes and dealing with them too. FFS, whah, whah, whah! Who the hell are you to say we glorify terrorists, when your state is sponsoring a state terrorist actor in Europe right now, whilst your media glorifies the perpetrator. At least there's evidence that western media exposed this stuff, rather than trying to represent some cu*t sending missiles into apartment blocks as something else like yours is currently doing.
 
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What do you expect us to do about it? Politicians make tons of mistakes that the media exposes. Don't be blaming us just because assholes come over from your country and bring their problems with them. We have enough problems to deal with due to assholes from elsewhere without tracking all your assholes and dealing with them too. FFS, whah, whah, whah! Who the hell are you to say we glorify terrorists, when your state is sponsoring a state terrorist actor in Europe right now, whilst your media glorifies the perpetrator. At least there's evidence that western media exposed this stuff, rather than trying to represent some cu*t sending missiles into apartment blocks as something else like yours is currently doing.

Laaton ke Bhooth , baaton se kahan maante hain ? @RISING SUN
 
What do you expect us to do about it? Politicians make tons of mistakes that the media exposes. Don't be blaming us just because assholes come over from your country and bring their problems with them. We have enough problems to deal with due to assholes from elsewhere without tracking all your assholes and dealing with them too. FFS, whah, whah, whah! Who the hell are you to say we glorify terrorists, when your state is sponsoring a state terrorist actor in Europe right now, whilst your media glorifies the perpetrator. At least there's evidence that western media exposed this stuff, rather than trying to represent some cu*t sending missiles into apartment blocks as something else like yours is currently doing.
UK citizens and politicians glorified the terrorism in worst form while government positions. And what makes you say that they came from India? Are they not living there since independence having generation born & brought up in UK?
Ken Livingstone
Ken's adviser is linked to terror group
Ken Livingstone has appointed a former member of a banned terrorist organisation to the board of Transport for London.

Until 2001, Dabinderjit Singh, a civil servant, was a member of the International Sikh Youth Federation, a UK-based group banned under British anti terror laws.

The then Home Office minister, Lord Bassam, said British-based ISYF members were a "threat to national security" and the group had carried out " assassinations, bombings and kidnappings" overseas.

The ISYF plotted a number of unsuccessful attacks in the UK and one of its members was convicted of the 1985 Air India bombing off Ireland, the deadliest single aircraft terror attack in history.

After it was banned the ISYF dissolved, creating a successor body, the Sikh Federation UK, whose executive committee and senior members - including Mr Singh - are largely the same as the ISYF's, and whose objectives are the same. Sikh Federation UK has received extensive support from Mr Livingstone.

The Sikh Federation UK's official 2008 calendar glorifies terrorist "martyrs" - including the assassins of Indira Gandhi and the mastermind of the1985 Air India bombing. Last June, Mr Singh spoke at a Sikh Federation UK rally - sanctioned by Mr Livingstone - in Trafalgar Square at which another speaker praised terrorism and suicide bombing and at which the banners of another banned Sikh terrorist group, Babbar Khalsa, were on open display.

Mr Livingstone has worked closely with the Sikh Federation UK, meeting its leadership - including Mr Singh - as recently as six weeks ago.

According to a 29 February City Hall press release, they presented him with a shield in honour of "the work he has done in support of the Sikh community".

The press release described Mr Singh as a member of the Sikh Federation. He described himself to the Standard as an "adviser" to the federation's executive.

The Mayor also allowed the free use of City Hall and the London Assembly chamber for at least two events organised by the Sikh Federation UK - the "World Sikh Summit," on 17 September last year, and a conference on "making Sikhs visible to decision-makers" on 1 February 2006. Mr Singh spoke at both events.

Mr Singh has had at least one private one-on-one meeting with the Mayor - in September 2006 - and was appointed by him to the TfL board in the same month. He is paid at least £22,000 a year for this appointment.

Mr Singh told the Standard today: "I was a sympathiser of the ISYF but the only time I came into the limelight with the ISYF was in 2000.

"The organisation was put up for proscription about two months later. When an organisation [the ISYF] is proscribed, it's the organisation, not the individuals, that are banned."

He said he was "not disputing" that there were links between the ISYF and the Sikh Federation but said the Sikh Federation was a "reputable organisation".

He described the Home Office claims of "assassinations, bombings and kidnappings" by the ISYF as a "generic phrase" and said the ban was "illogical".

The Sikh Federation UK - not to be confused with the moderate British Sikh Federation - claims to be a peaceful organisation.
However, the clearest indication of its true sympathies is its official 2008 calendar.

Headed "Never forget the sacrifices made by Sikhs in the last 30 years for freedom and justice," it is plastered with pictures of Sikh terrorists and " martyrs", including Talwinder Singh, the mastermind of the Air India bombing, and Beant Singh, the assassin of Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi.

Asked whether it was acceptable to honour the assassin of a prime minister, Dabinderjit Singh said: "We are highlighting people who are martyrs ... There is another side to the story [of the assassination]. Indira Gandhi was responsible for killing many thousands."

The three most senior officers of the Sikh Federation UK are the former leaders of the ISYF. The federation's chair, Amrik Singh Gill, was the ISYF's president. Its vice-president, Kuldeep Singh Chaheru, and its general secretary, Narinderjit Singh, were vice-presidents of the ISYF. Amrik Singh Gill and Narinderjit Singh also met Mr Livingstone this February.

Atma Singh, the Mayor's former Asian affairs adviser - himself a Sikh - told the Standard he had warned the Mayor about the Sikh Federation UK.

"In London, the Sikh Federation UK has very little support," he said. "Their power base is limited to half a dozen temples in the Midlands. But City Hall wanted to build them up and give them the same credibility as they did with the [fundamentalist-Muslim Association of Britain."

The ISYF was founded to campaign for an independent Sikh state in India, known as Khalistan, and avenge the 1984 Golden Temple massacre of Sikh militants by the Indian government.

The Home Office claims British members channelled money and arms to the Indian branch of the organisation.

The ISYF was involved in the bombing of Air India flight 182 over the Atlantic. Three hundred and twenty nine people, including 114 children, were killed by a bomb planted on the plane en route from Montreal to London.

The bombing was mainly the work of the Babbar Khalsa. However, the only man to be convicted over it, British-Canadian Inderjit Singh Reyat, from Birmingham, was a member of the ISYF.

ISYF members in India were responsible for indiscriminate killings of civilians, including women and children, during the Sikh insurgency in the Punjab from the early Eighties to 1993.

The ISYF also plotted a number of murders in Britain, mainly of visiting Indian politicians. The plots were intercepted by British security forces and foiled.

The ISYF is also suspected of involvement in the still-unsolved murder of a moderate, anti-ISYF Sikh newspaper editor in Southall.

There is no suggestion that Dabinderjit Singh has been personally involved in facilitating or carrying out an act of terrorism, or in ISYF activity since the group was banned.

However, on 3 June last year he spoke at a rally in Trafalgar Square, co-organised by the Sikh Federation UK, at which the crossed-Kalashnikov banner of the Babbar Khalsa group was on display.

At the rally, another speaker, Avtar Sanghera, praised a Babbar Khalsa leader, Jagtar Singh Hawara, who is on death row in India for taking part in a suicide attack on the chief minister of the Punjab.

"We are proud of this brother of ours," Mr Sanghera said. "With God's blessings, more men like Hawara will be born."

Mr Sanghera also said the Babbar Khalsa had "set its cross-hairs" on three Sikh "apostates" who would be "wiped off the face of the Punjab".

Glorifying terrorism and supporting a banned terrorist organisation are criminal offences under the terror laws.

Adrian Hunt, an expert in counterterrorism law at the University of Birmingham, said the footage of the rally - shown on YouTube - gave "sufficient material for the matter to be inquired into very seriously by the authorities".

Dabinderjit Singh told the Standard: "Any community, you have individuals who get up and say things and you think, 'What the hell are you doing'. There was a group of individuals [at the rally] who decided they were going to push the law to its limits. I have no time for those people - they are totally missing the point."

He said that Mr Livingstone "allowed us to use Trafalgar Square". Mr Singh also said that the Mayor had been invited to address the rally but had refused, saying he "rarely spoke on a Sunday".

Asked for his views on the armed struggle, Mr Singh said: "If someone has had their mother and father killed and they decide to take up arms because they feel there is no justice for them, it's very difficult to condemn them, because they're trying to defend themselves."

Dabinderjit Singh is described by Sikh analysts as the "respectable face" of Sikh separatist militancy. He is a senior civil servant with the National Audit Office and has been awarded the OBE.

Reports of the ceremony describe him as an ISYF member and state that he wore the ISYF insignia to the investiture. The ISYF was legal at that point and enjoyed close relations with some British politicians, who protested against the Government ban.

Mr Singh, who still has a place on the TfL board, would have attended board meetings and decided upon new fare rises, financing and budgets, proposed lines extensions, strategic planning and health and safety issues.

Mr Livingstone declined to comment.
Laaton ke Bhooth , baaton se kahan maante hain ? @RISING SUN
They live in a country with specific set of information censure regime, hence oblivious to what their elders have done and continue to do so to even this day.
 
your state is sponsoring a state terrorist actor in Europe right now, whilst your media glorifies the perpetrator. At least there's evidence that western media exposed this stuff, rather than trying to represent some cu*t sending missiles into apartment blocks as something else like yours is currently doing.
What Russian regime is doing to Ukrainians is bad, as we say here, we all have to face our karma fruit here & afterlife if there's one. Those responsible will face the music tomorrow, if not today. However I don't get it how are we sponsoring the war as that doesn't make sense logically. 5.56 mm bullets supply is flowing from India to European country and US since last year continuously. Who else do you think have the capacity to mass produce which allow Western countries to enable the donation or exports to Ukraine?
 
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What Russian regime is doing to Ukrainians is bad, as we say here, we all have to face our karma fruit here & afterlife if there's one. Those responsible will face the music tomorrow, if not today. However I don't get it how are we sponsoring the war as that doesn't make sense logically. 5.56 mm bullets supply is flowing from India to European country and US since last year continuously. Who else do you think have the capacity to mass produce which allow Western countries to enable the donation or exports to Ukraine?
Russia needs money to fund the war, and you have increased imports of Russian oil, not just slightly, but massively. As for your media, Hindustan Times etc., it's very clear whose side they're on.

As for this incident, some guy came from your country to our country and committed a crime by damaging your embassy, which police paid for with our tax money had to deal with... and you think we owe an apology? I didn't ask for it to happen, and I can guarantee you that 90+% of UK nationals wouldn't even know what it was all about without having to reach for Wikipedia, yet you're making a lot of far reaching judgements about us over it.

I mean Jesus, I take one look at the wiki page, and I find this:


Air India Flight 182 was an Air India flight operating on the Montréal-London-Delhi-Bombay route. On 23 June 1985, a Boeing 747 operating on the route was blown up by a bomb mid-air off the coast of Ireland. A total of 329 people aboard were killed,[79] 268 Canadian citizens, 27 British citizens and 24 Indian citizens, including the flight crew. On the same day, an explosion due to a luggage bomb was linked to the terrorist operation and occurred at the Narita Airport in Tokyo, Japan, intended for Air India Flight 301, killing two baggage handlers. The entire event was inter-continental in scope, killing 331 people in total and affected five countries on different continents: Canada, the United Kingdom, India, Japan, and Ireland.

FFS, it sounds like these guys hate us more than you anyway. It's almost like your neighbourhood is in a competition with the Middle East to see who can churn out the most assholes per square km.
 
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, Hindustan Times etc., it's very clear whose side they're on.
They simply realized that, Pushing Pro-Russia narrative will garner more views.
As for this incident, some guy came from your country to our country and committed a crime by damaging your embassy, which police paid for with our tax money had to deal with... and you think we owe an apology?
TBH, The whole thing is blown out of proportion.
IMO, Just unnecessary thing, especially When you look at big picture.
 
Hopefully the _Anonymous_, randomradio and jetray types will stay out of their own way. Or if not, perhaps their fellow countrymen could tie them to a tree out of the way somewhere - dealer's choice as to how you tie them.


this is cleary King Charles trying to annex India back into UK empire.
I'm deeply disturbed that UK has not recognized Kailasa.
 
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