Third Battle of Panipat- A New Film

Every medieval Indian power did some big fcuk ups which cost them dearly, be it Rajputs ,Marathas ,Vijayanagara,Sikhs...
Enemy has always exploited our faultlines like regionalism , religionism and casteism and till this date political parties are using the same faultlines .....This butthurted parsi whose whole culture got anhilated in jus 20 years is using the same faultlines and is abusing brahmins and northerners for no reason....
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
In war defeats can happen due to mistakes but the REAL test of an empire is its
REVIVAL

Marathas revived with such speed and strength that By 1771 (10 years after Panipat )
they had again become the
Number one power in North India ; driving out Rohillas and Pathans

Marathas were also the last Indian power to be defeated by the British

Anglo Maratha wars continued for Four Decades ; unlike some " Other " Indian powers
who succumbed in just Two Battles and Entered into a subsidiary alliance with the British
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I have a slightly admittedly romanticized view of this.

Shivaji' s legacy lived on and kept inspiring. From Rani Lakshmabai to eventually adopting the nation state based nationalism, from Tilak Agarkar Ranade to Shahu Phule and Ambedkar. From Savarkar to RSS. All of them advocated fixing our internal divions first.

In a way the Marathas learned the lesson and adopted Indian nationalism. Even to this day even the most rabid regionalist leader from Maharashtra does not dare utter one separatist word like so many in other states so casually do.
 
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Angel Eyes said:
Every medieval Indian power did some big *censored* ups which cost them dearly, be it Rajputs ,Marathas ,Vijayanagara,Sikhs...
Enemy has always exploited our faultlines like regionalism , religionism and casteism and till this date political parties are using the same faultlines .....This butthurted parsi whose whole culture got anhilated in jus 20 years is using the same faultlines and is abusing brahmins and northerners for no reason....
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He is not alone ; at least he is Indian and loyal to India

We have Enemies like Pakistanis who know and say the same thing

And also Plot their Strategies to hurt India ; along these lines

Our History is an open book ; it is not rocket science at all
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Being the Strongest Indian power ; Marathas could have accomdated and
amicably worked with Rajputs and Jats

But their pride ( having destroyed Aurangzeb ) was just too big and that caused Panipat
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Exactly. marathas shud have formed some kind of confedracy of all hindu kings and established a Hindu empire in India. Instead they ended up fighting more hindu kings than Muslims and muslim kings including Nawab of Awadh decided to pay taxes to marathas as they did the job of defeating hindu kings.
 
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Noodler said:
Anyway ... I have been grossly misunderstood. I wanted to point out that after Shivaji Sambhaji, it was a collective effort of several brave generals who carried on the legacy of the Marathas , not Shivajis heirs (Bhosale clan). Cheers.
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You may be correct factually in this sentence but the history of a family is totally irrelevant when you discuss the Maratha rule. Particularly so on a thread about Panipat where the family was all but irrelevant. That too using not so civil language. And with incorrect historical claims.

You brought this upon yourself. Nobody here knows the point you are making.
 
Angel Eyes said:
Every medieval Indian power did some big fcuk ups which cost them dearly, be it Rajputs ,Marathas ,Vijayanagara,Sikhs...
Enemy has always exploited our faultlines like regionalism , religionism and casteism and till this date political parties are using the same faultlines .....This butthurted parsi whose whole culture got anhilated in jus 20 years is using the same faultlines and is abusing brahmins and northerners for no reason....
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The Earliest and the Biggest Fuuk Up happened in Prithvi Raj Chauhan 's time

When Ghazni and already shown his intentions in Somnath
and Punjab and Sindh had already fallen to Islam ;
what was the need by the Rajput kings To FIGHT amongst themselves in
games of Upmanship

Jaichand had become a laughing stock in the community
when Prithvi Raj abducted his daughter

And he went on to become a traitor

Rajputs were India's First line of defence but they were busy squabbling
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
He is not alone ; at least he is Indian and loyal to India

We have Enemies like Pakistanis who know and say the same thing

And also Plot their Strategies to hurt India ; along these lines

Our History is an open book ; it is not rocket science at all
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Agree with that, that's why i didn't used harsh language with him..
Pakistanis are a exceptional case, they know deep in their hearts that muslim invaders looted and raped their ancestors and converted them forcefully to islam still they chose to champion and celebrate those same invaders....
The very existence of India reminds them of their fcuked up past.....
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Aurangzeb stayed in Maharashtra for 27 years but could not defeat Marathas

Instead the Mughal empire Broke up and became bankrupt

This also lead to the growth and revival of Sikhs ; Jats and Rajputs in North India
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aurangzeb had serious problem of logistics due to the the resistance offered by Jaats between Delhi Burhanpur belt and that nearly stopped all the money coming from Deccan to delhi as it was looted by the Jaats. The Jaat resistance directly helped the Marathas in their war against Mongols because mongols were made to fight two fronts at the same time depleting their resorces drastically. Jaats and Sikhs did not grow due to mongol-Maratha war instead Marathas got benefitted by the rise Jaats and sikhs.

STEPHEN COHEN said:
They also raided Bengal ; Defeated Rajputs and imposed heavy taxes on them
Basically antagonised everybody till the Panipat debacle
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This was the main reason for thier defeat not only Panipat but subsequently to even east India company as most kings who were against marathas joined hands with East India company.

Noodler said:
Getting rid of the moghuls was the numero uno goal of the Marathas.
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Correct but somewhere doen the line they lost sight of this goal and decided to retain Mongols as the head of India.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Exactly. marathas shud have formed some kind of confedracy of all hindu kings and established a Hindu empire in India. Instead they ended up fighting more hindu kings than Muslims and muslim kings including Nawab of Awadh decided to pay taxes to marathas as they did the job of defeating hindu kings.
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Marathas did not Trust anybody ; They believed that Every body had been Compromised
by their Long Association with Mughals and could betray them at any time
for a price

So they went all alone in their wars of expansion

They had defeated Aurangzeb with such minimum resources ;
and after 1707 ; resources were not a problem because they started defeating
everybody and got huge taxes
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
The Earliest and the Biggest Fuuk Up happened in Prithvi Raj Chauhan 's time

When Ghazni and already shown his intentions in Somnath
and Punjab and Sindh had already fallen to Islam ;
what was the need by the Rajput kings To FIGHT amongst themselves in
games of Upmanship

Jaichand had become a laughing stock in the community
when Prithvi Raj abducted his daughter

And he went on to become a traitor

Rajputs were India's First line of defence but they were busy squabbling
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Rajputs has witnessed whole of Afghanistan falling into islamic hands and still they underestimated invading muslim hordes ...

Had Prithviraj beheaded the Ghori after defeating him in their first encounter, the world would have been a different place....
 
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Angel Eyes said:
Rajputs has witnessed whole of Afghanistan falling into islamic hands and still they underestimated invading muslim hordes ...

Had Prithviraj beheaded the Ghazni after defeating him in their first encounter, the world would have been a different place....
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Afghanistan is Too far away

First Sindh got Converted ;( that is why Pakistanis call Bin Qasim as the First Pakistani )

And then Punjab was defeated ; there was a dynasty called Anandpal / jaypal

After that Started the Rajput kingdoms of North India
the rivers of Punjab were the borders
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
You are Correct to a large extent but the thing is that After 1707
Marathas went after Rajputs in a Big way

Rajputs had just won freedom from Mughals but Marathas marked them out for Revenge

That is because the Mughal Army had Rajput generals and soliders

Being the Strongest Indian power ; Marathas could have accomdated and
amicably worked with Rajputs and Jats

But their pride ( having destroyed Aurangzeb ) was just too big and that caused Panipat
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"Rajputs are a part of Maratha’s...if they are saying things about Maratha’s its like they abusing themselves."

And ...

"Maratha empire was expanding...they were fighting off all the invaders and getting each and every caste and clan to support this cause."

And ....

"Maratha empire HAD to expand because India was being invaded by foreign rulers from all sides."

And ...

"Maratha’s did not want to rule India...they were just fighting off the invaders!"

And ...

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See - Maratha’s were a handful of brave warriors..
They took on arms against the invaders and requested each and every citizen then to join forces..which included people from all castes, races and religions...
So any battle fought would not have exclusively Maratha army...they would have Muslims, Brahmins, Dalits et all..fighting shoulder to shoulder for the same cause."

And ...

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After Shivaji and Sambhaji..the Maratha’s did not see a strong ruler to guide the “revolution”...and by then the Britishers had intercepted most of India...so the Marathas were just managing / trying to secure whatever was left.
Peshwas were Chattrapati’s accountants.
Maratha’s were / are egoistic hot blooded clan...so getting all Maratha’s together was a genuinely difficult challenge...and post Shivaji and Sambhaji it all boiled down to each one to his/her own..."

And ...

"And that was the fall of the Maratha regime."

Since some of you will not accept a non Hindu as a Maratha, the above is by a Hindu Maratha.

I have nothing much else to add ...

Cheers, Doc
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Afghanistan is Too far away

First Sindh got Converted ;( that is why Pakistanis call Bin Qasim as the First Pakistani )

And then Punjab was defeated ; there was a dynasty called Anandpal / jaypal

After that Started the Rajput kingdoms of North India
the rivers of Punjab were the borders
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You forgot to add hindu kabul shahi dynasty...
 
vstol Jockey said:
Afghanistan was the last Hindu nation to be converted to Islam.
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Not really, no. Need to be careful with the facts.

After Afghanistan there was India.

After India there was Indonesia - which was the last Hindu kingdom to convert to Islam.

About India it would be fair (and accurate) to say it was the only kingdom/s that did not wholly convert to Islam permanently (the last bit important to rule out Spain).

Which is why it also birthed two nuclear powers. And two Muslim nations.

Cheers, Doc
 
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vsdoc said:
Not really, no. Need to be careful with the facts.

After Afghanistan there was India.

After India there was Indonesia - which was the last Hindu kingdom to convert to Islam.

About India it would be fair (and accurate) to say it was the only kingdom/s that did not wholly convert to Islam permanently (the last bit important to rule out Spain).

Which is why it also birthed two nuclear powers. And two Muslim nations.

Cheers, Doc
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You want to know ANOTHER achievement of India ; it is this

Because India could not be fully converted ; The CALIPHATE is Not possible today

If India too would have been a Muslim country then a Continuos Caliphate could have been created from The Middle east to Indonesia

India stands in the way of the caliphate
 
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