Dude I take back my comment about studying history. Obviously you don't know what that means.
Keep making disparaging comments about historical figures. It must be of some personal value to you.
Third Battle of Panipat- A New Film
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Dude I take back my comment about studying history. Obviously you don't know what that means.
Keep making disparaging comments about historical figures. It must be of some personal value to you.
Don't mix the peshwa rule and the period post Sambhaji and pre peshwa. The Peshwas regained significant ground after the losses post Sambhajis reign.
Interpersonal relations aside, whatever they might mean on an anonymous internet forum, the important thing to note is that the divisive north Indian trope regarding Marathas which was the prime motive behind starting this thread has been squashed summarily, and thrown into the rubbish heap resrved for such opinions and analyses.
A not unsatisfactory outcome.
Cheers, Doc
A not unsatisfactory outcome.
Cheers, Doc
Did you just read about the Peshwas after we pointed it out? Because you were saying the Maratha Empire declined after him. There was no Peshwa Empire. Only the Maratha Empire. Anyways, now that you have learnt a bit about the Maratha Empire, my suggestion is to read up about social reforms by the Maratha Emperor.
Bye bye for now. Am out.
Approximate extent of Shivajis rule.
High tide under Peshwas
Yes a quarter century after Sambhaji was tough, but did you consider Aurangzeb with his full power camping in Maharashtra all those years? Aurangzeb was the most powerful Indian ruler EVER.
Read history please.
Marathas did not unify India. They controlled over 85% of India. They defeated those kings and levied taxes on them but did not physically occupy those lands. This resulted in the rout of marathas at the hands of East India Company in 1818. Their refusal to kill Asaf Jah-1 and make Hyderabad their own territory cost them dearly.
Delhi was never the seat of power in India. But it was the best staging ground to stop the invaders coming from Khyber Pass. The advance locations were Lahore and Peshawar which could be better administered from Delhi. Plus the North India was resource rich in terms of war logistics. So for anyone desiring to rule India, control of Delhi was a must. Marathas did that by installing Mongols back as the rulers of delhi and for some very funny reasons, every Maratha General, weather Scindias or Holkars, continued to support the mongol kings in Delhi while acting as their stooges and servants.
Marathas failed to establish their own system of governance in the territories they won in battles and the levies they imposed brought misery to the majority Hindu populations of the territories which they had won. Most hindus supported Marathas as they saw them as libraters but the taxes imposed on them and leaving them under the same cruel muslim rulers brought untold misery to Hindus.
For me history of India is not history of Delhi. I have never called north Indians to be the best warriors, I have always praised the south Indians as the best warriors and also finest administrators. North Indian kings, be it rajputs, Jaats or Muslims or even marathas can't be even compared to the brilliance of south Indian kings. Not even one south indian king went beyond Khyber but south Indian kings established colonies way back in 7th century as far away as bali on Indonesia.
Maharaja Surajmal left the camp after Scindhias informed them that they are going to be attacked by Holkars who betrayed the entire nation including Marathas. Only king who gave maximum support to defeated marathas and tended to them was Maharaja Surajmal. Rajputs did not even offer shelter to marathas who lost the battle. Jaats left the Maratha camp in the middle of the night and holkars forces were in hot pursuit of them. Jaats could have easily made a mince meat of those marathas but decided not to fight friendly hindu forces.
This, I totally agree with and is the main reason for the downfall of the Maratha Empire.
Totally Wrong
You must read about the 27 YEAR WAR between Mughals and Marathas
It started in 1680 after Shivaji's death
Sambhaji died in 1688 ; But the War continued till 1707 that is till The Mughals were Completely beaten
Aurangzeb stayed in Maharashtra for 27 years but could not defeat Marathas
Instead the Mughal empire Broke up and became bankrupt
This also lead to the growth and revival of Sikhs ; Jats and Rajputs in North India
@Noodler
After 1707 ; When Mughals had become a spent force then Marathas started expanding Both North and southwards
They also raided Bengal ; Defeated Rajputs and imposed heavy taxes on them
Basically antagonised everybody till the Panipat debacle
After 1707 ; When Mughals had become a spent force then Marathas started expanding Both North and southwards
They also raided Bengal ; Defeated Rajputs and imposed heavy taxes on them
Basically antagonised everybody till the Panipat debacle
You've equated one man's opinion to that whole of North India's ....what a moron you're...
In war defeats can happen due to mistakes but the REAL test of an empire is its
REVIVAL
Marathas revived with such speed and strength that By 1771 (10 years after Panipat )
they had again become the
Number one power in North India ; driving out Rohillas and Pathans
Marathas were also the last Indian power to be defeated by the British
Anglo Maratha wars continued for Four Decades ; unlike some " Other " Indian powers
who succumbed in just Two Battles and Entered into a subsidiary alliance with the British
REVIVAL
Marathas revived with such speed and strength that By 1771 (10 years after Panipat )
they had again become the
Number one power in North India ; driving out Rohillas and Pathans
Marathas were also the last Indian power to be defeated by the British
Anglo Maratha wars continued for Four Decades ; unlike some " Other " Indian powers
who succumbed in just Two Battles and Entered into a subsidiary alliance with the British
It IS a common north Indian opinion.
One that resonates with many other people who could not fight for themselves, yet find it easier to whine about Marathas than the foreign Invaders who were raping and plundering them.
”If a government is ruling a country...the citizens will have to pay taxes correct? Similarly if a warrior clan is helping you fight off the invaders from raping your women, killing your children and destroying your culture and heritage...they will need resources to function and maintain the protection."
The above from a fellow Maratha. One of the 96 royal families. Talegaon Dabhade and parts of the Konkan as well as MP ....
As I said, India remains a Hindu land with it's culture and heritage surviving, largely thanks to the Maratha.
I can expect such a thread on a Pakistani forum. But to find it on an Indian forum just proves that blood is thick. And Jaichands still live among us.
Cheers, Doc
You are Correct to a large extent but the thing is that After 1707
Marathas went after Rajputs in a Big way
Rajputs had just won freedom from Mughals but Marathas marked them out for Revenge
That is because the Mughal Army had Rajput generals and soliders
Being the Strongest Indian power ; Marathas could have accomdated and
amicably worked with Rajputs and Jats
But their pride ( having destroyed Aurangzeb ) was just too big and that caused Panipat
What makes you think its a common north indian opinion , there are 199 million people in North India, how you know their common opinion,have you conducted some sort of survey? i am an north indian and i don't thinks so, People like you spreads casteism and regionalism ....Heck I've met people from Telangana which is technically South India resonating the same kind of views , the way i see this you are only trying to create north south divide....