Ukraine - Russia Conflict

BMD said:
If an enemy doesn't surrender they are fair game by any law. If the crew surrendered after escaping they are legally obliged to take them, if they tried running then you're legally entitled to shoot them.

No, your truth is Russian BS. This is the truth. Yanukovych did something that was politically and economically illiterate, ignored the people who voted for him and then ran. Both major Ukrainian parties promised to join the EU in 2010, there was no EEU movement during that election. What he did was like Macron deciding to join the CSTO now or something, without any vote or consultation. It could only have one result.

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The Ukrainian President's Big Broken Promise

Why the Ukrainian leader's decision to backtrack on Europe could cost him his political career.
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The Ukrainian President’s Big Broken Promise​

Why the Ukrainian leader's decision to backtrack on Europe could cost him his political career.

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Aside from the fact that these are submarines and not even remotely close to similar capability, your prices are 1 decade removed from each other.

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Russian invaders launch over 1,300 missiles worth $7.5 billion against Ukraine

Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, invading Russian forces have launched over 1,300 missiles worth at least $7.5 billion, Forbes Ukraine reported on April 29.
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Yeah, dude, believe what you want. Leave the critical thinking to others.

As for the sub, you wanna call it inferior, go ahead, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still cheaper. And the same applies to the missiles too, you can call it inferior, but it's still gonna be cheaper.
 
The destruction of the Ukrainian UAV A1-SM "Fury" by the Russian air defense system 9K35 "Strela-10" was caught on video. The Strela-10 air defense system was put into service in 1976, after which it was repeatedly upgraded. The ammunition of the installation is 8 missiles, 4 on rails and 4 in the hull. The firing range of the air defense system is 5 km, the height of the target is 4 km. The advantages of the Strela-10 air defense system are its low cost, immunity to radio interference and invulnerability to anti-radar missiles. Disadvantages - the impossibility of firing at targets in bad weather conditions and sensitivity to optical interference. UAV A1-SM "Fury" of Ukraine is a drone designed for aerial reconnaissance day and night. The range of the UAV is up to 50 km, the maximum speed is 130 km / h, the time spent in the air is up to 3 hours, the height of use is a maximum of 2.5 km. The cost of the complex is 85 thousand dollars.


The Russian armored train "Brave" appeared in Ukraine. There are no exact characteristics of the Russian armored train yet. Russian BMP-2 and other weapons are installed on the armored train


The Ukrainian small anti-submarine ship "Vinnitsa", of the Soviet project 1124P, corvette according to NATO classification, was sunk in the port of Ochakov. On the video from the drone, the tail number U206 is clearly visible. It is not completely clear why the ship sank, whether it was the blows of the Russian army or Ukraine itself flooded it. The medium landing ship of Ukraine "Yury Olefirenko", of the Soviet project 773, came under fire from the Russian military, you can see it in the video, whether it sank or not is still unknown.

 
randomradio said:
Even war has ethics.

Nah, we're good. We know the truth, you don't.

You will have to look up its ruble rate instead of some fake USD rate. A 14k T Yasen class sub costs $1B, a 10k T Virginia class sub costs $3.5B. Hence proved.
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missiles are on the higher side of cost , India's agni missile with 1200km range is supposed to cost around 25-30cr ( around $3 million). Long range missiles dont come off assembly line but manually built and verified. If they use foreign components cost increases even more.
 
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Massive change. Tetyanivka and Pryshyb have fallen. The Russians are across the river. The Russians seem to have started attacks on Sydorove.
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And here, Voronove and Borivske have fallen. And a bit to the south, Toshkivka has fallen, so Hirske-Zolote have been cut off from Lysychansk are almost under encirclement.
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Siversk has also come under attack from Russian special forces. And there are rumours of a Russian push towards Rozdolivka. This town is along the northern highway connecting Soledar with Siversk, possibly to support the push towards Siversk. So it's likely that the UAF will be pushed out of Luhansk soon, unless they want to fight in the cauldron.
 
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jetray said:
missiles are on the higher side of cost , India's agni missile with 1200km range is supposed to cost around 25-30cr ( around $3 million). Long range missiles dont come off assembly line but manually built and verified. If they use foreign components cost increases even more.
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We are not talking about MRBMs and IRBMs, only battlefield weapons like ATACMS and Iskander, basically Prithvi/Pralay class. This class is meant to be cheap and fired in large numbers. The ATACMS costs $800,000 per missile.
jetray said:
missiles are on the higher side of cost , India's agni missile with 1200km range is supposed to cost around 25-30cr ( around $3 million). Long range missiles dont come off assembly line but manually built and verified. If they use foreign components cost increases even more.
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We are not talking about MRBMs and IRBMs, only battlefield weapons like ATACMS and Iskander, basically Prithvi/Pralay class. This class is meant to be cheap and fired in large numbers. The ATACMS costs $800,000 per missile.
 
jetray said:
missiles are on the higher side of cost , India's agni missile with 1200km range is supposed to cost around 25-30cr ( around $3 million). Long range missiles dont come off assembly line but manually built and verified. If they use foreign components cost increases even more.
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We are not talking about MRBMs and IRBMs, only battlefield weapons like ATACMS and Iskander, basically Prithvi/Pralay class. This class is meant to be cheap and fired in large numbers. The ATACMS costs $800,000 per missile.
 
randomradio said:
We are not talking about MRBMs and IRBMs, only battlefield weapons like ATACMS and Iskander, basically Prithvi/Pralay class. This class is meant to be cheap and fired in large numbers. The ATACMS costs $800,000 per missile.
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Over 200k Ukrainians have been killed or wounded and the pace of advancing by RA has increased from 5km/day to 10km/day. The day this figure touches 20kms/day, the UA will surrender like Nazies did to Red Army in ww2. My posts on twitter are videly shared across Russia and Ukraine and I hv gathered a large following about my predictions of this war.
 
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randomradio said:
Yeah, dude, believe what you want. Leave the critical thinking to others.

As for the sub, you wanna call it inferior, go ahead, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still cheaper. And the same applies to the missiles too, you can call it inferior, but it's still gonna be cheaper.
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Critical thinking huh?

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Putin undermined his own rationale for invading Ukraine, saying that the war is to expand Russian territory

Putin said shortly before invading Ukraine that it had nothing to do with territory. On Thursday, he said it was his destiny to expand Russia.
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The missiles are using western electronics though, that's the difference. Iskanders on export are $120m for 6 launchers with missiles (6x2). In fact, that's for Iskander-Es not Ms.
randomradio said:
We are not talking about MRBMs and IRBMs, only battlefield weapons like ATACMS and Iskander, basically Prithvi/Pralay class. This class is meant to be cheap and fired in large numbers. The ATACMS costs $800,000 per missile.
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What were you saying about critical thinking? ATACMS is 1.6t and carries a 227kg warhead 300km and is GPS-guided only. Iskander-M is 3.8t and carries a 700kg warhead officially 500km, but more likely 750km, and is GLONASS+DSMAC.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Over 200k Ukrainians have been killed or wounded and the pace of advancing by RA has increased from 5km/day to 10km/day. The day this figure touches 20kms/day, the UA will surrender like Nazies did to Red Army in ww2. My posts on twitter are videly shared across Russia and Ukraine and I hv gathered a large following about my predictions of this war.
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And yet they are still fighting in Severodonetsk. Does that sound like 20km per day? I mean how long have they been fighting in Severodonetsk now? FFS, this is day 107 or something, how wide is Ukraine again?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1535149890950643712

 
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vstol Jockey said:
Over 200k Ukrainians have been killed or wounded and the pace of advancing by RA has increased from 5km/day to 10km/day. The day this figure touches 20kms/day, the UA will surrender like Nazies did to Red Army in ww2. My posts on twitter are videly shared across Russia and Ukraine and I hv gathered a large following about my predictions of this war.
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Link please.
BMD said:
Critical thinking huh?

www.yahoo.com

Putin undermined his own rationale for invading Ukraine, saying that the war is to expand Russian territory

Putin said shortly before invading Ukraine that it had nothing to do with territory. On Thursday, he said it was his destiny to expand Russia.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

The missiles are using western electronics though, that's the difference. Iskanders on export are $120m for 6 launchers with missiles (6x2). In fact, that's for Iskander-Es not Ms.

What were you saying about critical thinking? ATACMS is 1.6t and carries a 227kg warhead 300km and is GPS-guided only. Iskander-M is 3.8t and carries a 700kg warhead officially 500km, but more likely 750km, and is GLONASS+DSMAC.
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Unless there's a seeker involved somewhere, the rest of the stuff is cheap.
 
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It is absolutely more than 46k by now. And vast majority of these troops were their crème de la crème of VDV, Spetsnazi und 1st Guard tank division.

Until Ukraine starts deploying their long range PG rockets this war will remain a stalemate with Russian forces gaining insignificant meters of land that should have been taken 3 months ago.

The way I see it the only way Russia can gain any meaningful advantage is if Belarus enters the war forcing Ukraine to redeploy troops. There's murmurs about Belarus starting something but something tells me it won't happen because Belarusian forces would get killed causing instability for Lukashenko. Also this might trigger a situation where Poland gets involved and actually moves forces inside western Ukraine.

Ukraine has all the time and men/numbers on their side as long as the west keeps supplying them. They are the defenders fighting for their existence.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Over 200k Ukrainians have been killed or wounded and the pace of advancing by RA has increased from 5km/day to 10km/day. The day this figure touches 20kms/day, the UA will surrender like Nazies did to Red Army in ww2. My posts on twitter are videly shared across Russia and Ukraine and I hv gathered a large following about my predictions of this war.
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I found one based on your real name, but I don't think it's active. So I guess you're using a pseudonym for the active one.

Anyway, the retreat from Luhansk will be a major blow to morale. And it appears the UAF will even give up a lot of other areas where the Russians have the advantage.
 
How unfortunate.

An armored personnel carrier with ammunition exploded in the middle of the road in the Rostov region of the Russian Federation on June 10. After the fire, it detonated ammunition in Russian equipment. This was reported by the Rostov mass media.
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