Internal Counter-Terror Ops by Indian Security Forces and NIA : News and Updates
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North eastern security calculus is lot different from what applies in rest of India. I do have better second hand idea compared to the rest and those who didn't serve in NE sector as my owns are deployed their, one in active ops and another aged leads one defence institution.
I will list just few with whatever first hand information I have heard till my childhood from the family.
1. Vegetation/fooliage is too dense to see few feets away at sharp turns, especially at Southern and eastern ends.
2. Population is diverse in terns of social practices, like some are too soft, some are average and some extremely violent by their societal nature (head hunters do exist but I am not talking about them, hence accepted.
3. Some regions are affected due to shift in demography, like Meghalaya which was turning into mini Bangladesh like at least 15 years ago.
4. Some are peaceful generally speaking (I am not too sure whether it was Tripura or Mizoram but one was lot safer for common and defence folks but other one was and remains hell hole). Nobody will tell this openly.
5. There is defacto open border policy between India and Myanmar due to same people living on both sides of border. Hence people can travel back and forth with minimal documentation, even without one if one knows the geography.
I have posted some of my people's edited pics way back here in this forum as well.
6. Political conspiracy and abandonment by both central (especially central) and state has left big hole in people's mind about India and especially mainland Indians, hence there used to be sprodic violence against mainlanders till fairly recently. Need to check if it still happens.
7. Racist attacks in mainland on NE people gets overblown there due to aforementioned reasons and misused by those averse to peace.
8. NE used to get connectivity last, even if it got it used to be mostly for dual purpose (primarily for defence), hence visible neglect was observed compared to rest.
I will add more once I get free from office but suffice to say we ( I mean mainlanders and central governments) have made our fair share of mistakes, which doesn't absolve NE people wrong ethnic cleansing actions taken against mainlanders. They have also made similar attacks. So these are some of long festering wounds which deal repeated blow to a healthy and peaceful NE.
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Valid reason to piss of any human being and force him to become rival. The policy makers do not understand this.
This can be dealt if military starts crossing the border to hunt extremists rather than fighting inside their own territory and killing own people. It has happened in the past as well. The real collateral damage has happened in North East than in Kashmir, which has led to more anguish. But it's unfortunate that Kashmiris always get more importance just because as per mainland India they look good, whole rest of India has flatted in front of them.
Yes because, people in North East have higher values than rest of Indians, as said by NSA Doval, they know how to protect their women and respect their land and territory ( in Hindi it's called as Anushasan, missing in rest of the India). A smallest act of disghust will be overblown in an educated and calm society. The misuse will continue to happen. It happens in Tamil Nadu as well and in Punjab too, when both of these states can be arrogant about their culture and consider rest of India as merely jerks.
Yes, because most MP's in India are from Mainland India. But then Kashmir gets all the funds, for the reason I mentioned above. Had the stupid among us Indians cared for the North East, the people there would have done great for the India and taken the region to some most developed regions in the world. I personally know the calibre of North East people and the talent they have.
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I think we ought to go easy on this . It's more than a decade since the civil war ended & the devolution of political powers to the N & NE hasn't yet occurred. With the Rajapakses in Power there's no chance of it happening in the near future.
Further given they've already fallen into the Chinese debt trap & with their economy in shambles , they're vulnerable to Chinese pressure to increase the latter's footprint all across the country.
This new group could be our leverage over SL & the Rajapakses .
Mate, I don't know what has gotten into you?!? Extreme branch of LTTEs were even against India's existence as we know. Aside, their current major players are based out in western world, they don't care if something happens in India. They only care for LTTE movement and extreme action against those who acted or supported LTTE loss in Sri Lankan civil war. We are already fighting domestic and international terrorism in J&K, mainland India, NE and outside of India. We will jeopardize the cooperation we are receiving from close partners against terrorism knowing fully well anybody could be working for any other nation's spy agency.
Against India's existence? That's a new one. Where did you come across that ?
Neither did they care for the LTTE nor for SL. SL is too insignificant strategically & devoid of any mineral wealth to have any salience unless the objective is to use it as a hub to target India.
Guess you think the US support to ISIS in Syria thru Turkey or other Islamic proxies are a conspiracy theory.
The idea was to look the other way as far as LTTE 2.0 is concerned & not provide them arms or support for the time being.
It's called Qurban Ali doctrine. Pakistan wants to make all Indian border states, including the coastal line vulnerable to exploitation.
1. Attacks against India's elected PM,
2. Mass murders of Tamils, including Indian Tamils,
3. Seeding the discord & separatism within wider Tamil diaspora and Indian Tamils, one of major reasons to still continue the BAN on LTTE.
4. Committing human rights violations of SriLankan Tamils supported by India & IPFK, going as far as erasing the entire spectrum of Indian connections to political Sri Lankan Tamils.
India extends ban on LTTE
New Delhi: The government has extended the ban on LTTE declaring that it continues to adopt a strong anti-India posture and pose a grave threat to the security of its citizens.In a notification, the Home Ministry said the activities of LTTE are detrimental to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of India and there is a continuing strong need to control all such separatist activities by all possible means.
"LTTE continues to adopt a strong anti-India posture as also continues to pose a grave threat to the security of Indian nationals, it is necessary to declare LTTE as an `unlawful association` with immediate effect," the Home Ministry notification issued by joint secretary Dharmendra Sharma said.
LTTE was banned in India in the aftermath of the assassination of former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1991. The organisation was also defeated and virtually decimated by the Sri Lankan forces in 2009 when its supremo V Prabhakaran was also eliminated.
The Home Ministry said separatist Tamil chauvinist and pro-LTTE groups continue to foster a separatist tendency among the masses and trying to enhance the support base for LTTE in India, particularly in Tamil Nadu, which will ultimately have a strong disintegrating influence over the territorial integrity of India.
"The diaspora continue to spread through articles in the Internet portals, anti-India feeling amongst the Sri Lankan Tamils by holding the top Indian political leaders and bureaucrats responsible for the defeat of the LTTE," it said.
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LTTE massacred Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian Tamils alike whoever they disagreed with. They still have 100s of members based out in Western world. Not many are aware of this, including some Indian politicians on both of political spectrum, that Norwegian politician Erik was allegedly active supporter of LTTE and some of Indian fringe elements as well.
That LTTE is gone. There is a possibility that The current LTTE will do more trouble in India than in Sri Lanka because it will based on anti North Indian ideology. Because that's the only way Pakistan will be able to utilize DMK and Periyar ideology to make Tamil Nadu more vulnerable to exploitation.
And in return Pakistan will create safe grounds for LTTE in SL.
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My personal opinion is influenced by my eldest cousin, who himself is actively deployed in NE sector border, and uncle who heads a military school in NE.
Mainlanders did suffer a lot against ULFA attacks no doubt, but it was the North easterners themselves who suffered being accused of conspiring with mainlanders & military at the hands of ULFA. Majority of this news didn't reaches the mainland media, doesn't reach even in present times. Few of existing NE political people are still of the opinion that ULFA & other outfits can be used to India's benefit. I differ from those opinions.
I deduce the same logic and apply it to LTTE.
Another point which people might not pickup is that best way of pulling Sri Lanka by China will be to somehow link India with resurging LTTE. It could be a trap by China as well, my personal suspecian considering how far they are going in linking with Tamils both in TamilNadu and Sri Lankan Tamils.
I meant overseas OGW Tamils in that sentence when I said "They". There is another reference to western Europeans when I said Erik. Both are different groups and different motives I presume.
In regard to sarcastic comment about US and ISIS, no I have no idea genuinely if they were propped up by US or not but seeing the history of US propping such groups across different continents, I think it is very much possible. Turkey was a major player in playing ISIS against many of regional players, this is very much known, and US looked the other way, that's also very much documented.
On a side note, India also had some intelligence insider there in middle east as well as Af-Pak region if I remember Indian news correctly.
The entire Indian opposition to the LTTE is based primarily on your point no 1 followed by their war on the IPKF.
As far as their killing Tamils go , there were more than a dozen Eelam groups operating out of TN & SL in the 80's most of whom were exterminated by the LTTE. That didn't prevent Indian intelligence & the state supporting them although they weren't too comfortable with this internecine warfare & LTTE's policy .
Point 2 & 4 needs to be substantiated for they're baseless in my opinion. The SL Tamil diaspora in the west were extorted coz they had kin back home not the Indian Tamil diaspora whom the LTTE neither targeted nor could they extort. Having said that there were expatriate Tamils of Indian origin who did extend support to the LTTE in spite of the Indian state's opposition to it & it's being proscribed post RG's assassination.
But that was true of Tamil organizations in India too particularly the Dravidian parties minus AIADMK who under JJ were staunchly opposed to the LTTE.
This ban is the reason why action was undertaken against the LTTE apart from SL prompting I suppose , which is why I'm suggesting we relax our vigil.India extends ban on LTTE
New Delhi: The government has extended the ban on LTTE declaring that it continues to adopt a strong anti-India posture and pose a grave threat to the security of its citizens.
In a notification, the Home Ministry said the activities of LTTE are detrimental to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of India and there is a continuing strong need to control all such separatist activities by all possible means.
"LTTE continues to adopt a strong anti-India posture as also continues to pose a grave threat to the security of Indian nationals, it is necessary to declare LTTE as an `unlawful association` with immediate effect," the Home Ministry notification issued by joint secretary Dharmendra Sharma said.
LTTE was banned in India in the aftermath of the assassination of former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1991. The organisation was also defeated and virtually decimated by the Sri Lankan forces in 2009 when its supremo V Prabhakaran was also eliminated.
The Home Ministry said separatist Tamil chauvinist and pro-LTTE groups continue to foster a separatist tendency among the masses and trying to enhance the support base for LTTE in India, particularly in Tamil Nadu, which will ultimately have a strong disintegrating influence over the territorial integrity of India.
"The diaspora continue to spread through articles in the Internet portals, anti-India feeling amongst the Sri Lankan Tamils by holding the top Indian political leaders and bureaucrats responsible for the defeat of the LTTE," it said.
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Perhaps the GoI is playing the waiting game to see how far is SL willing to withstand Chinese pressure.
There's no sarcasm there . It was in response to your rather naive statement that in today's world India can ill afford to back such proscribed organisations which wasn't my stance at all . I merely called for India to look the other way & cited the example of the US .
Your answer seems to suggest that you still harbour doubts in the this regard. It's an established fact that both Turkey & Qatar were behind financing & arming ISIS. This couldn't have been possible without US knowledge or in all probability at the behest of the US .