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If I'm not mistaken Eshwin isn't too conversant in Kannada as are a few other handles out here with roots up North or west but settled in Bangalore.
He know the politics of South a lot better TBH so I quoted him and Nair too.
I don’t think they are language chauvinist
Also it’s hilarious to see the importance of Hindi (in negative way) on Politics of Southern states is mind boggling. I think it’s one of the most important ideological factors in election. In comparison South plays absolutely zero role (negative or positive) in Elections of what is called Cow Belt states
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Hi,
Let s just say u r pm, for the welfare of TN people u r allocating funds ( there are report s fund allocation itself is reduced that's another matter)
In a scheme.
In which language will you name the scheme for TN?
KM stones, signboard s, Insurance, exam paper that those in dual language s..
These are from my limited experience. From a town that's not much of multi cultural.
I don't travel or interact much..
Only this much I can say.
I don’t know what you are trying to say.
Congress uses Nehru, Indira, Rajeev (from cow belt) names for all their schemes.
BJP uses Atal, Patel , Mukherji for the same purpose.
If you are complaining about using Hindi words for national schemes like Jan Dhan yojna or Ujwala yojna , that’s just pity man.
They are pan India schemes meant mainly for poor people. They have to be in some language and Hindi is preferred over English by this govt as 99% people who are benefiting from these schemes don’t know English at all. nothing to do with Tamil subjugation or Hindi oppression.
BTW that is some extreme level of chauvinism, quit surprising for Cow Belt folks like us.
But then we are too much into common culture and patriotism cool aides that we have hard time understanding that people can have problems with things as trivial as this.
And Multilingual signboards too are seen as problem there ? But why?
People will understand what scheme it is, if it's in Tamil in tamil nadu.
Why do they have to keep names in a language that people don't understand.
They can translate the name to the state language for each state.
Making it is easier for common people to understand and utilize the scheme should be the main aim.
I don't understand why should it be titled in hindi in TN.
It s simply losing the good deed because of title. .
Multi lingual signboards are no problem.
If order is English / Tamil / Hindi .
But ignoring tamil, or stones with only hindi creates problems. This I ve seen personally.
One of my friend said, in cinema halls they are displaying ads in Hindi.. Surprised.
The absolute state when you place English over tamil. That's why I can't take tamil chauvinists seriously..
You missed the forest for a tree. The fact that some people harbour so much hate for such tiny little things are simply unimaginable in our part of world where life is so tough and you have to fight for everything everyday. I mean If all this brouhaha is for Hindi name of some schemes and size and order of Hindi fonts in signboards, their is something seriously wrong there or life is too easy there and people don’t have anything else to hate.
You guys are barking up the wrong tree. Three incidents need to be disclosed here to put things in perspective.
1- There are no Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya or Navodaya Vidyalaya in TN. This was the brainchild of the RG Administration to unearth & nurture talent in rural India. I believe it charges zero to very nominal fees. It's charter includes Hindi as a subject which is an absolute no no in TN.
2- OTOH, all CBSE schools which follow the central curricula & offer three languages in states other than up North are all owned & run by politicians or their Stooges in TN.
3- Since most if not all Tamils graduating in TN lack knowledge of any language apart from Tamil & English, they're severely handicapped in the job market.Personal Experience - A few years ago in a previous company, the HR in its wisdom did a campus recruitment of a dozen Tamil students & placed 10 of them outside TN in places like Mumbai, Delhi, etc . All those 10 quit within a year as they couldn't adapt due to language issues. Their English was too thickly accented for even people used to such accents to follow apart from the fact that they were barely proficient in the language.
There is a growing section of students & education activists raising these issues with limited success against language chauvinists out there. Let's face it - in this day of connectivity given the higher levels of education in the South & TN in particular, not all of them can be absorbed there irrespective of the number of jobs generated. These students realise the gravity of the situation once they move out of TN.
On the flip side, since English enjoys some degree of understanding in TN, someone from the Hindi belt who's proficient in English can get through with living in TN if he's emigrated for work out there.
pray & tell me why do you need to know hindi if you work in a MNC?
Obviously you have not provided the context for which company hired. But if HR ends up hiring outsiders which needs locals for the job then it is their problem. Lot many ppl working in MNC's in blr hardly speak the local language but that does not make them incompetent for the job.
Second thing is, most of the students might be good in expressing technical information but their average social communication skills will be severely lacking that holds good for most of the students.
Seriously your experience seems so different, which part of the world do you work & live in?
you dont need to be conversant in local language in a cosmopolitan city got it. Thats what makes bangalore or hyderabad better than northern states. Do you need to know marathi to survive in mumbai?
Instead of hyperventilating, you need to calm down & consider facts.
1 Not everyone is employed in an MNC
2 Both English & Hindi were & are considered to be bridge languages. That's the reason why we as a nation have official languages not national languages.
3 Please check for proficiency of English vs Hindi across the nation, regions, States & you'd realise that knowledge of Hindi in Bangalore would take you further than knowledge of English in Chennai.
4 Of course, there's no substitute for learning the local language for that's the truest sign of adaptation & assimilation.
5 I work in Mumbai in the HVAC sector. There are plenty of immigrants in this sector & my previous company too from all over India yet their knowledge of Hindi came more than handy in their official as well their social interactions more than English both officially & otherwise.
6 None of them bothered to learn the local language Marathi & it hasn't affected their standing in the least. Most Maharashtrians while disapproving aren't exactly language chauvinists like you come across down south especially in TN.
That's precisely the point I was making. Replace Hyderabad or Bangalore for Chennai & you'd know the difference. For that matter, you could even go to Trivandrum or Kochi with no knowledge of Malayalam & you'd see the locals accommodate you to the best extent possible even if your knowledge of language was restricted to Hindi. You won't see that happen in TN.Ever.
Do also remember if Bob has a problem with everyone, then the problem is Bob.
Its not hate, its just plain annoyance , some thing which we can do without. I will ask a simple question, do ppl in north dont have any thing do other than impose hindi? do you ppl have any thing better to offer us
.Is there any thing that is going to be achieved by having hindi ? why dont you let us know that. Let me rub it in more, if we are better than ppl on the other side without knowing hindi, then why have it?
Thats for govt purpose , useful for doing business with govt. I have forgotten the last time I used to write in local lingua franca to fill a govt appln. In fact I have completely forgotten how to write in local language. But that does not prevent me from getting work done.
I am from blr and seriously its your misconception, that hindi will take you further than english. I agree there are issues in TN but in blr ppl are ok with whichever language you come up with. More than language it is the attitude problem and politics. Dude talk to a marwadi in blr, that guy will teach you any language u want.
Lot many ppl from north who work with us never learn the local language period. Its only ppl who are born here to migrants who learn the language. Why would you learn the language when you are already comfortable without knowing it?
Most of the time we think ppl are assimilated bcos the customs & culture are similar not bcos they know the language.
For social interactions as well we use english so as to not to leave out the other ppl who dont understand local language. In fact it is considered pretty rude. Even a harmless joke is bound to cause misunderstanding.
language chauvinists are every where , even in karnataka. It has got to do with politics. Hindi is more or less seen as spear tip of political domination due to which all the parties oppose.
Serioulsy epic when ppl in cow belt complain that they dont understand others , when all you do is complain about hindi. So for a change why dont you learn the others language for a change. Is it not fair to do your self of what you ask from others ?
It has benefits outside of official purposes too. Policy Decisions by the GoI like Official languages both shape the narrative & further course of events.
I think you need to move out of your bubble of MNCs & see how people adapt themselves to situations. Dakhani synonymous with Urdu & Hindi has been prevalent in Karnataka much before the English were here what to speak of our founding as a Republic. That's what accounts for my statement that in everyday life you can get further with Hindi than you would with English. This isn't about the superiority of 1 language over the other. This is merely a function of mileu. Having said that usage of English certainly comes with attendant snob value & possibly other benefits.
Precisely my case of adapting & assimilating. A Marwari in any region would make it a point to learn the local lingo for his business is dependent on it. He has no time or purpose in being drawn into immaterial disputes.
Agreed. But this is a function of the mileu you live in too. You may be a second generation immigrant to Bangalore or Mumbai, not conversant with the local language yet it would not be a huge impediment. Outside of these metros it would be a major handicap. Yet That can't be said about Chennai or
TN. For that matter, something similar would be the case of an immigrant up North with no knowledge of Hindi except proficiency in English & his mother tongue which presumably is not Hindi. Yet not much is spoken about this fact as the number of non Hindi speakers emigrating for jobs in the Hindi heartland is negligible as on date.
Nope, I would think language is a pre requisite here otherwise customs & culture are common across religions too.
And how many times do the locals reciprocate your gesture. Should give you an inkling as to how assimilated you are as opposed to how assimilated you see yourself to be.
True. Language chauvinists are present everywhere even in Maharashtra. But this feeling of persecution isn't shared by the common man except in TN where language politics still has a substantial base.
How do the naarthies complain?? Nobody really cares if you speak Hindi if you can't atleast not be petty about it. The only thing I feel is this inferiority complex from South Indians when they attack hindi for muh thameezh pride..
Seriously? I mean have you ever talked to any guy from say Bihar who wanted to impose Hindi on you? That’s precisely what I said that it’s more of the fear psychosis and not the actual problem when all you have is an Adv mistakenly or due to sheer ignorance, displayed in cinema hall and order and font size of languages used in signboards.Its not hate, its just plain annoyance , some thing which we can do without. I will ask a simple question, do ppl in north dont have any thing do other than impose hindi? do you ppl have any thing better to offer us
Is there any thing that is going to be achieved by having hindi ? why dont you let us know that. Let me rub it in more, if we are better than ppl on the other side without knowing hindi, then why have it?
What you have two of the three main parties relentlessly talking about Hindi imposition and cultural invasion, it seems something much more sinister than this to the people who don’t know the reality.
Here no one really cares what language you speak.If you can communicate with them, they will help you and if not, well it’s your problem then. Government on the contrary is trying to help such people(travelers and temporary migrants etc) by using multilingual signboards, instruction notes and even emergency announcements.
Frankly there is a Bus stop near my House in Allahabad and it has a huge signboard in almost 8-10 languages including Gurumukhi, Bangla, Tamil, Telugu, Urdu etc
Similar but smaller signboards can be seen in every square and on the highways.
No one goes mental about Tamil or Telugu imposition for such trivial but useful things.
While you still defending such kind of behaviour out there. Honestly it looks like you people want to impose Tamil to even travelers and migrant workers who are there just for earning something for short time.