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One of the weishi rockets maybe.
That said, Pakistan has fielded likes of Nasr missile. I won't be surprised if they took guidance kit from A-100
(which they are producing locally from the looks of it) and used rocket motor of Hatf IX Nasr missile with a much lighter load (instead of 400 Kg, may be 120 KG warhead). With 3-3.5 times reduction in warhead weight, a two times increase in range should be possible. Our own Shurya has similar curve.
Remember, Hatf IX motor was meant to carry low yield nukes (400 KG weight) after all to a distance of 70 KM or so. A 120 KG conventional wathead will allow it go about 120-140 KM. The problem of cheap guidance is solved by Chinese guidance kits from A-100/E.
All in all a decent solution for long range counter artillery problem. It can counter our long range artillery that we are importing and developing -- including ramjet powered shells. Basically, locate enemy artillery positions and bombard them with cheap MBRL volley.
Not really sure if it has any link with Nasr. But can be.
Its a relatively new technology for Pakistan.
Its dual pulse rocket motor.
See the video I posted above.
Initially the motor burns fast, then slows down.
Dual pulse.
I highly doubt that. MLBR are meant to be cheap. A dual-pulse motor provides no benefits with massive complexities since you cann't hit moving targets anyways as seeker for that will be too expensive. Besides, if Pakistan had dual pulse motor, you would be seeing a Pakistan Air to Air missile or a SAM first.
BTW, this is the first time I heard about using a dual pulse motor in "boosting" phase of a rocket. Why will you want to make your rocket slow in that phase? You want it to soar as fast as possible so it hits your target as fast as possible.
Lastly, a dual pulse motor actually goes off due a barrier between two propellant stages. If this is indeed a motor that is slowing its propellant than it is a throttleable motor. These solid motors are notoriously hard to get right and are exactly wht you don't want in a MBRL. That leaves liquid motors. Weird but possible. Though it will make launching them more time consuming.
We will be having satellite images of All their NASR --- TELs and A 100 MBRLs
We will need more Prahar Missiles
We must agree that noone comes to Pakistanis when it comes to making a fool of themselves. The rocket fuel burnout does not take place instantaneously. The last few parts keep burning for sometime after the thrust phase is over. what we see in the video is exactly that.
the flame doesn't go out. Your just looking at it from a wrong angle. Follow the smoke trail it's not giving a break. Flameless sustainer pulse looks like the video below. it doesn't give the smoke trail.
So you are telling me that a 140 km range rocket has a burnout time of 1.5 seconds?
You have just a tweet with no claim by Pakistan's own establishment.
Besides, the guy confuses between a dual pulse motor and a booster - sustainer configuration (Multi-stage rockets). Sustainer engine - Wikipedia
I am a-okay if you believe that Pakistan has a two-stage rocket for a MBRL -- for reasons known best to them. I were of opinion that you don't need such a config for such a small range rocket given that Pakistan already fields likes of Nasr.
May be they are trying out some super cheap and low-impluse propellant that they need a booster sustainer configuration ie a multi-stage rocket.
Indian rockets have a gas booster too which pushes the rocket out of the container and gives it initial thurst. It is usually built into the canister of the rocket itself to provide initial thurst to the rocket.
Trouble is, all you have seen is change in visible rocket "flame" and you are jumping to conclusions.
For all you know this is just a visible artifact OR a multi-stage rocket.
Also, the question is not that what can be or cannot be built. The question is of why?
Why the hell anyone will build a MBRL using a dual pulse configuration? Why go through so much complexity and cost to just hit on-ground targets in large numbers? I highly doubt any thing on ground is going to move with even half a mach.
Bascially, why the hell conserve pulse for terminal stage of your rocket when you don't need to chase menuvering target that can suddenly increase its altitude? All you need is some fins or flexible rocket vent to adjust your impact point. Thats all!
Unless you are claiming that Pakistan wants to deploy MBRL in the sky and hit a sqaudron of Su30MKIs en-masses. Its a radical concept but if you want to insist on dual pulse motor then I guess we have believe that Pakistan is first country to deploy MBRL on fighters to hit multiple enemy fighters. That, or Pakistanis don't know basic economics or even counting. Which, I most respectfully disagree to.
Indeed.
Night time movements can be a female-dog. Besides, how can you know if a given truck is carrying nuke-nasr or dummy nasr or something totally different. Having a capability to deploy small nukes makes adversary offense complicated. Your only option then is to got higher in escalation ladder and cock your own nuke pistols. That said it comes with added risk. Pakistan's planners assume that risk by arguing unwillingness of Indian Hindus to defend anything. Our posture with China does not help either. Nor does a PM who has forgotten the word China.
As per the NOTAM issued , the point of impact is in Arabian Sea
Our ships will be watching to see the CEP
There is no stage separation on this MBRL .
So I doubt its a two stage rocket.
However we do have some sort of "separation " on Nasr, and it's too small to be a booster or a stage.