wonder who benefits by this communal division and who is encouraging such division among people when the need is to unite them more.
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divide a group of people on the basis of their religion
in the name of north/south Indian
in the name of aryan/dravidian
in the name of language (hindi/kannada)
in the name of caste
all this does not come under communal divides being practiced by a seemingly secular party?
in the name of north/south Indian
in the name of aryan/dravidian
in the name of language (hindi/kannada)
in the name of caste
all this does not come under communal divides being practiced by a seemingly secular party?
It is just Congress playing 'Divide and Rule' Tactics before Karnataka Elections ,where Congress last major state bastion is in a losing position with a Gandhi family loyalist heading it.
Won't work. All this talk will die after elections,just wait and see.
Lingayat community takes out ‘Mahamorcha’ for status of independent religion
Kolhapur, Jan 28 (UNI) Lingayat community took out a 'Mahamorcha' to the district collector office on Sunday afternoon, demanding independent religion to Lingayats and recognise them as Minority community.
Hundred of peoples nearby districts--Sangli, Satara and border areas of Maratha-Karnataka participated in the march.
The Mahamocha’ was organized by All India Lingayat Coordination Committee.
Lingayat community people led by Lingayat community Action Committee (AC) coordinator Ms Sarlatai Patil began their morcha by garlanding the life size statue of Chhatrapati Sahu Mahraaj and shouted slogans the 'Mi Lingayat Maza Dharm Lingayat (I'm Lingayat, My religion is Lingayat).
The Mahamorcha was supported by 77 organisations including Maratha community, Muslim community and different political parties.
Earlier four ‘Dharmguru’ (religious preceptors) Lingayat community, Simanarjit Sing of Shiromani Akhal Takhta, Boudh Dharmguru Bhante Sambodhi and senior freedom fighter from Latur Murgappa Khumse addressed the huge gathering from a specially erected dais in Dasara Chowk.
Later a delegation led by AC convener Ms Patil, freedom fighter Khumse, met district collector Avinash Subhedar and handed over a memorandum of their demands.
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Lingayats decide to part ways with Veerashaiva, here are key points of the issue
The demand for a separate religion tag status for Veerashaiva/Lingayat faiths surfaced from the numerically strong and politically-influential community amidst resentment from within over projecting the two communities as one.
Moneycontrol News @moneycontrolcom
Amid raging differences over the issue of separate religion status, Lingayats have split with the Akhila Bharatha Veerashaiva Mahasabha (AKVM). The new organisation, named Jaagrathika Lingayat Mahasabhe, is set to intensify the campaign over the independent religion issue for the community, according to a News18 report.
Here's a lowdown on the issue:
Who are Lingayats?
Lingayats are a part of the Veerashaiva-Lingayat community that owes allegiance to the 12th century "social reform movement" initiated by Basaveshwara. It has a substantial population in Karnataka, especially in the northern parts of the state.
What is the issue?
The demand for a separate religion tag status forVeerashaiva/Lingayat faiths surfaced from the numerically strong and politically-influential community amidst resentment from within over projecting the two communities as one.
While one section led by Akhila Bharata Veerashaiva Mahasabha has demanded a separate religion status asserting that Veerashaiva and Lingayats are the same, the other group wants it only for Lingayats as they believe that Veerashaiva is one among the seven sects of Shaivas, which is a part of Hinduism.
Role of state government in the campaign
The Karnataka State Minorities Commission (KSMC) has formed a seven-member committee, headed by retired high court Judge H N Nagamohan Das, to look into the issue and submit a report. The report is yet to come.
What is the current status?
The Lingayat camp of AKVM reportedly made a formal announcement of split with the organization. Set to intensify their campaign, the members may hold rallies across the state to strengthen their demand.
(With inputs from PTI)
Lingayats decide to part ways with Veerashaiva, here are key points of the issue --link
Kolhapur, Jan 28 (UNI) Lingayat community took out a 'Mahamorcha' to the district collector office on Sunday afternoon, demanding independent religion to Lingayats and recognise them as Minority community.
Hundred of peoples nearby districts--Sangli, Satara and border areas of Maratha-Karnataka participated in the march.
The Mahamocha’ was organized by All India Lingayat Coordination Committee.
Lingayat community people led by Lingayat community Action Committee (AC) coordinator Ms Sarlatai Patil began their morcha by garlanding the life size statue of Chhatrapati Sahu Mahraaj and shouted slogans the 'Mi Lingayat Maza Dharm Lingayat (I'm Lingayat, My religion is Lingayat).
The Mahamorcha was supported by 77 organisations including Maratha community, Muslim community and different political parties.
Earlier four ‘Dharmguru’ (religious preceptors) Lingayat community, Simanarjit Sing of Shiromani Akhal Takhta, Boudh Dharmguru Bhante Sambodhi and senior freedom fighter from Latur Murgappa Khumse addressed the huge gathering from a specially erected dais in Dasara Chowk.
Later a delegation led by AC convener Ms Patil, freedom fighter Khumse, met district collector Avinash Subhedar and handed over a memorandum of their demands.
Read more at Lingayat community takes out ‘Mahamorcha’ for status of independent religion
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Lingayats decide to part ways with Veerashaiva, here are key points of the issue
The demand for a separate religion tag status for Veerashaiva/Lingayat faiths surfaced from the numerically strong and politically-influential community amidst resentment from within over projecting the two communities as one.
Moneycontrol News @moneycontrolcom
Amid raging differences over the issue of separate religion status, Lingayats have split with the Akhila Bharatha Veerashaiva Mahasabha (AKVM). The new organisation, named Jaagrathika Lingayat Mahasabhe, is set to intensify the campaign over the independent religion issue for the community, according to a News18 report.
Here's a lowdown on the issue:
Who are Lingayats?
Lingayats are a part of the
What is the issue?
The demand for a separate religion tag status for
While one section led by Akhila Bharata Veerashaiva Mahasabha has demanded a separate religion status asserting that Veerashaiva and Lingayats are the same, the other group wants it only for Lingayats as they believe that Veerashaiva is one among the seven sects of Shaivas, which is a part of Hinduism.
Role of state government in the campaign
The Karnataka State Minorities Commission (KSMC) has formed a seven-member committee, headed by retired high court Judge H N Nagamohan Das, to look into the issue and submit a report. The report is yet to come.
What is the current status?
The Lingayat camp of AKVM reportedly made a formal announcement of split with the organization. Set to intensify their campaign, the members may hold rallies across the state to strengthen their demand.
(With inputs from PTI)
Lingayats decide to part ways with Veerashaiva, here are key points of the issue --link
That is Secularism according to our Urban Naxals and Libtards of Sickularim. Congress clutching for straws ,temple runs,separate religion,separate state flag etc. everything Separate. Suddenly, they started saying 'I am a Hindu' and writing novels like ' Why i am a Hindu' nowdays, Too bad, they were 70 years late for that train, when it already left the platform.
It is not a communal divide bro. We are seeing the birth of a new religion, very exciting
. Veerashaiva had tried to hijack the leadership of Lingayat community and failed miserably.Who benefited from Hindutwa ?
Who will benefit from this? the Lingayat community. This beyond the politics of Congress BJP.
Diversity is good.
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The lingayat issue died down with Hindutva. With Rahul Gandhi doing temple runs, there is no scope for separate religion. By the way, there has not been any serious division of lingayat and Virashaiva anyways. Just because some useless congress ministers started speaking in support of Siddaramaiah's words does not mean there is people's support. It is like saying Shia and Sunni are separate religion.
Don't peddle old news here.
Don't peddle old news here.
“Death is For the Unmoving…”: K Neela on Lingayata Dharma and Vachana Sahitya
The Lingayat community in Karnataka has been struggling for about 40 years to get state recognition as separate from the Hindus.
The Lingayat community in Karnataka has been struggling for about 40 years to get state recognition as separate from the Hindus. The movement is fast gaining momentum now. M M Kalburgi, who worked extensively on Vachana Sahitya, and Gauri Lankesh, who was a popular supporter of the movement, were both assassinated. Against this backdrop, the writer speaks to K Neela about the Lingayata Dharma and Vachana Sahitya. The article also throws light on how the Lingayata Dharma, which stood against the caste system, came to become a caste itself?
“Lingayat is not caste, but a tatva,” said K Neela . She is the Karnataka State Secretary of the All India Democratic Women's Association (AIDWA), a vocal feminist, activist, and a writer who draws her inspiration from both the Vachana literature of 12th century Karnataka and the leftist ideology. Quoting a few Vachanas, she spoke to this writer about the Lingayata Chaluvali (Lingayat Movement) in Karnataka, explaining its meaning and the ideology of the movement. She also spoke about how the Lingayata Dharma became Lingayata Jati (Caste).
The Lingayat Movement contends that the Lingayat community is not a part of Hinduism. According to Neela, it is very important to note that Hinduism has been successful in co-opting its critics. For example, Buddhism and Buddha are now claimed to be very much a part of Hinduism. The Vachanas, which are the backbone of the Lingayat belief system, were written to critique the oppressive social order that was, and still is, governed by Hinduism. As will be explained in this article, Vachanas also gave an alternative belief system which did not have some of the discriminatory practices, like prohibitions based on imagined “pollution,” that Hinduism imposed on its followers.
Explaining further, Neela says, “The Vachanakaras tell us that the whole world is a Linga. Those who take care of this Linga are called Lingayata.” She also clarifies, “‘Linga’, here, is not the same ‘Shiva Linga’ that is worshiped in Hinduism as another form of Shiva. ‘Linga’, for the Vachanakaras, is a small oval structure that represents the world and its composition. The world is nothing but our physical form, our bodies. Hence, those who take care of this whole world, i.e., of their own bodies, are Lingayats.” According to Neela, this is the essence of the Lingayat Philosophy. Thus, the philosophy does away with gods, temples, and the clergy.
The Vachanas preach that the world is formed by one’s body, hence, this body has to be worshiped. The Vachanakaras, the writers of the Vachanas, explain that it is only through Kayaka (work) that you can worship this body. When one puts the body to work, one legitimises its existence by giving it a purpose in life. Hence, Neela says, “The Vachanakaras say, ‘Kayakave pooje; nin kayadinda shristi yagide; ninna kayave devare, kayakave pooje.’ (Work is worship; the origin of the universe is by your body; your body is the only god, and the work you do is the offering you make to your body.)”
The essence of the Lingayata Dharma lies in this philosophy, propounded by Vachanakaras like Basavanna, Allama Prabhu, Akka Mahadevi, and Madivala Machideva. According to them, god and religion were created to exploit people by instilling an irrational fear in them. The paraphernalia of temples, priests, hymns — and the concepts of purity and pollutions that they prescribed — were seen as a means of exploiting the people. It was only the brahmins and the ruling castes who had the authority to govern this paraphernalia and draft the norms. The Vachanas challenged this authority, urging the masses to find the god within themselves.
ಉಳ್ಳವರು ಶಿವಾಲಯ ಮಾಡುವರು ನಾನೇನ ಮಾಡಲಿ ಬಡವನಯ್ಯ,
ಎನ್ನ ಕಾಲೇ ಕಂಬ ದೇಹವೇ ದೇಗುಲ ಶಿರವೇ ಹೊನ್ನ ಕಳಶವಯ್ಯ,
ಕೂಡಲಸಂಗಮದೇವ ಕೇಳಯ್ಯ ಸ್ಥಾವರಕ್ಕಳಿವುಂಟು ಜನ್ಗಮಕಲಿವಿಲ್ಲ
ullavaru shivalaya maaduvaru naanena maadali badavanayya,
enna kaale kamba dehave degula shirave honna kalashavayya
Koodala Sangama Deva kelayya sthavarakkalivuntu jangamakalivilla
-Basavanna
The rich can build a temple and worship in it.
What should a poor man like me do?
My feet are the pillars of the temple, my body is the temple,
and my head is the golden urn on the temple.
Oh my Koodala Sangama Deva, listen to me:
death is for the unmoving, and not for those who move.
This, for instance, is a famous Vachana by Basavanna, a philosopher, social reformer, and a preacher of 12th century. Basavanna was also a statesman in the court of King Bijjala the II (1130–1167 CE) of the Kalachuri dynasty. Basavanna critiqued and opposed the dominant brahmanical social order, caste system, and its oppressive vedic traditions. Speaking against the vedic rituals and brahminism, he took up the cause of the oppressed castes.
The importance given to the Kaya (body) and Kayaka (work) in Vachanas shows how the Vachanakaras were critical of the caste system and the hierarchical system that it imposed on the people. It was a call to work, to take care of the body, to maintain sanity; and not to please some god or any other person.
K Neela, while explaining this, draws an analogy between Marxism and the Vachana Sahitya. She says, “The importance given to work in the Vachana Sahitya comes very close to Marxism. Marx also said, ‘Workers of the world unite.’” The language of Marxism, of the importance given to the ‘worker’, also questions the exploitative system of production. The concept of alienation, for example, makes the ‘worker’ and their relationship with the processes of production as the focal point of analysis of exploitation. The contexts and concerns, for Karl Marx and the Vachanakaras, were quite different. In fact, they still are. While the former was writing in an industrial class society, the latter were writing in the medieval caste society.
The Vachanakaras were addressing a society where exploitation of the castes was given legitimacy using the idea of Karma. The Vachanas adopt a simple language, challenging the grammatical orthodoxy of Sanskrit. Using the language of the exploited, they deconstruct the reasons for exploitation, thereby successfully uniting the oppressed against the oppressor. This is the reason for the success of the Vachanas, according to Neela. The importance given to the Kaya and the Kayaka in the Lingayata Dharma gives importance to the physicality of the human existence.
The call, thus, was to be conscious about this physical existence. They also urged the masses to challenge and fight the forces that exploit the physical body and legitimise this exploitation by claiming that is it either by divine ordinance or the punishment for past misdeeds. “The Vachanas tell us that, for the Vachanakaras and the Lingayata Dharma, it was labour, production, and participation that were of utmost importance,” says K Neela.
Ironically, the philosophy that stood against the Jati system (caste system) is, now, considered a Jati (Caste) itself. The Lingayats make up 17% of the population of Karnataka. Lingayat has also been given an “Other Backward Caste” (OBC) status. The reason for this lies in a period of crisis in the history of the Lingayat Movement.
K Neela narrates:
It was difficult to put the theory into practice. Basavanna and other Vachanakaras decided to bring theory into practice. Basavanna celebrated the marriage of Sheelavanta, son of Samagar Haralayya (a cobbler), to Kalavati, the daughter of Madhuvaras (a brahmin). Both Haralayya and Madhuvaras belonged to the Sharana community. An inter-caste marriage between a brahmin girl and cobbler boy was brought to the notice of Bijjala the II. Basavanna, at that point, was his minister. When the king questioned him for supporting the marriage, he resigned from his position and left Basavakalyana, leaving his family behind.
Meanwhile, Haralayya and Madhuvaras were brutally executed. All the Sharanas and the followers of the Vachanakaras, including the Vachanakaras themselves, were attacked. Amidst all the chaos, King Bijjala the II was murdered and the Sharanas were, falsely, accused of the murder. The Vachanakaras had to go underground, and all of their scholarly works were destroyed.
The Vachana movement (which opposed Brahmanism), as a result, suffered unimaginable setbacks. There were many among the followers of the Vachanakaras who were ritualistic. They followed certain rituals of their own, like worshipping the Linga, which led to the powerful Brahmanical system categorising Lingayata as a Jati.”
The Lingayat Movement, today, is trying to reclaim this egalitarian legacy by revisiting its history through the vast Vachana literature.
“Death is For the Unmoving…”: K Neela on Lingayata Dharma and Vachana Sahitya | NewsClick -- link
The Lingayat community in Karnataka has been struggling for about 40 years to get state recognition as separate from the Hindus.
The Lingayat community in Karnataka has been struggling for about 40 years to get state recognition as separate from the Hindus. The movement is fast gaining momentum now. M M Kalburgi, who worked extensively on Vachana Sahitya, and Gauri Lankesh, who was a popular supporter of the movement, were both assassinated. Against this backdrop, the writer speaks to K Neela about the Lingayata Dharma and Vachana Sahitya. The article also throws light on how the Lingayata Dharma, which stood against the caste system, came to become a caste itself?
“Lingayat is not caste, but a tatva,” said K Neela . She is the Karnataka State Secretary of the All India Democratic Women's Association (AIDWA), a vocal feminist, activist, and a writer who draws her inspiration from both the Vachana literature of 12th century Karnataka and the leftist ideology. Quoting a few Vachanas, she spoke to this writer about the Lingayata Chaluvali (Lingayat Movement) in Karnataka, explaining its meaning and the ideology of the movement. She also spoke about how the Lingayata Dharma became Lingayata Jati (Caste).
The Lingayat Movement contends that the Lingayat community is not a part of Hinduism. According to Neela, it is very important to note that Hinduism has been successful in co-opting its critics. For example, Buddhism and Buddha are now claimed to be very much a part of Hinduism. The Vachanas, which are the backbone of the Lingayat belief system, were written to critique the oppressive social order that was, and still is, governed by Hinduism. As will be explained in this article, Vachanas also gave an alternative belief system which did not have some of the discriminatory practices, like prohibitions based on imagined “pollution,” that Hinduism imposed on its followers.
Explaining further, Neela says, “The Vachanakaras tell us that the whole world is a Linga. Those who take care of this Linga are called Lingayata.” She also clarifies, “‘Linga’, here, is not the same ‘Shiva Linga’ that is worshiped in Hinduism as another form of Shiva. ‘Linga’, for the Vachanakaras, is a small oval structure that represents the world and its composition. The world is nothing but our physical form, our bodies. Hence, those who take care of this whole world, i.e., of their own bodies, are Lingayats.” According to Neela, this is the essence of the Lingayat Philosophy. Thus, the philosophy does away with gods, temples, and the clergy.
The Vachanas preach that the world is formed by one’s body, hence, this body has to be worshiped. The Vachanakaras, the writers of the Vachanas, explain that it is only through Kayaka (work) that you can worship this body. When one puts the body to work, one legitimises its existence by giving it a purpose in life. Hence, Neela says, “The Vachanakaras say, ‘Kayakave pooje; nin kayadinda shristi yagide; ninna kayave devare, kayakave pooje.’ (Work is worship; the origin of the universe is by your body; your body is the only god, and the work you do is the offering you make to your body.)”
The essence of the Lingayata Dharma lies in this philosophy, propounded by Vachanakaras like Basavanna, Allama Prabhu, Akka Mahadevi, and Madivala Machideva. According to them, god and religion were created to exploit people by instilling an irrational fear in them. The paraphernalia of temples, priests, hymns — and the concepts of purity and pollutions that they prescribed — were seen as a means of exploiting the people. It was only the brahmins and the ruling castes who had the authority to govern this paraphernalia and draft the norms. The Vachanas challenged this authority, urging the masses to find the god within themselves.
ಉಳ್ಳವರು ಶಿವಾಲಯ ಮಾಡುವರು ನಾನೇನ ಮಾಡಲಿ ಬಡವನಯ್ಯ,
ಎನ್ನ ಕಾಲೇ ಕಂಬ ದೇಹವೇ ದೇಗುಲ ಶಿರವೇ ಹೊನ್ನ ಕಳಶವಯ್ಯ,
ಕೂಡಲಸಂಗಮದೇವ ಕೇಳಯ್ಯ ಸ್ಥಾವರಕ್ಕಳಿವುಂಟು ಜನ್ಗಮಕಲಿವಿಲ್ಲ
ullavaru shivalaya maaduvaru naanena maadali badavanayya,
enna kaale kamba dehave degula shirave honna kalashavayya
Koodala Sangama Deva kelayya sthavarakkalivuntu jangamakalivilla
-Basavanna
The rich can build a temple and worship in it.
What should a poor man like me do?
My feet are the pillars of the temple, my body is the temple,
and my head is the golden urn on the temple.
Oh my Koodala Sangama Deva, listen to me:
death is for the unmoving, and not for those who move.
This, for instance, is a famous Vachana by Basavanna, a philosopher, social reformer, and a preacher of 12th century. Basavanna was also a statesman in the court of King Bijjala the II (1130–1167 CE) of the Kalachuri dynasty. Basavanna critiqued and opposed the dominant brahmanical social order, caste system, and its oppressive vedic traditions. Speaking against the vedic rituals and brahminism, he took up the cause of the oppressed castes.
The importance given to the Kaya (body) and Kayaka (work) in Vachanas shows how the Vachanakaras were critical of the caste system and the hierarchical system that it imposed on the people. It was a call to work, to take care of the body, to maintain sanity; and not to please some god or any other person.
K Neela, while explaining this, draws an analogy between Marxism and the Vachana Sahitya. She says, “The importance given to work in the Vachana Sahitya comes very close to Marxism. Marx also said, ‘Workers of the world unite.’” The language of Marxism, of the importance given to the ‘worker’, also questions the exploitative system of production. The concept of alienation, for example, makes the ‘worker’ and their relationship with the processes of production as the focal point of analysis of exploitation. The contexts and concerns, for Karl Marx and the Vachanakaras, were quite different. In fact, they still are. While the former was writing in an industrial class society, the latter were writing in the medieval caste society.
The Vachanakaras were addressing a society where exploitation of the castes was given legitimacy using the idea of Karma. The Vachanas adopt a simple language, challenging the grammatical orthodoxy of Sanskrit. Using the language of the exploited, they deconstruct the reasons for exploitation, thereby successfully uniting the oppressed against the oppressor. This is the reason for the success of the Vachanas, according to Neela. The importance given to the Kaya and the Kayaka in the Lingayata Dharma gives importance to the physicality of the human existence.
The call, thus, was to be conscious about this physical existence. They also urged the masses to challenge and fight the forces that exploit the physical body and legitimise this exploitation by claiming that is it either by divine ordinance or the punishment for past misdeeds. “The Vachanas tell us that, for the Vachanakaras and the Lingayata Dharma, it was labour, production, and participation that were of utmost importance,” says K Neela.
Ironically, the philosophy that stood against the Jati system (caste system) is, now, considered a Jati (Caste) itself. The Lingayats make up 17% of the population of Karnataka. Lingayat has also been given an “Other Backward Caste” (OBC) status. The reason for this lies in a period of crisis in the history of the Lingayat Movement.
K Neela narrates:
It was difficult to put the theory into practice. Basavanna and other Vachanakaras decided to bring theory into practice. Basavanna celebrated the marriage of Sheelavanta, son of Samagar Haralayya (a cobbler), to Kalavati, the daughter of Madhuvaras (a brahmin). Both Haralayya and Madhuvaras belonged to the Sharana community. An inter-caste marriage between a brahmin girl and cobbler boy was brought to the notice of Bijjala the II. Basavanna, at that point, was his minister. When the king questioned him for supporting the marriage, he resigned from his position and left Basavakalyana, leaving his family behind.
Meanwhile, Haralayya and Madhuvaras were brutally executed. All the Sharanas and the followers of the Vachanakaras, including the Vachanakaras themselves, were attacked. Amidst all the chaos, King Bijjala the II was murdered and the Sharanas were, falsely, accused of the murder. The Vachanakaras had to go underground, and all of their scholarly works were destroyed.
The Vachana movement (which opposed Brahmanism), as a result, suffered unimaginable setbacks. There were many among the followers of the Vachanakaras who were ritualistic. They followed certain rituals of their own, like worshipping the Linga, which led to the powerful Brahmanical system categorising Lingayata as a Jati.”
The Lingayat Movement, today, is trying to reclaim this egalitarian legacy by revisiting its history through the vast Vachana literature.
“Death is For the Unmoving…”: K Neela on Lingayata Dharma and Vachana Sahitya | NewsClick -- link
Lingayats win Maratha, Muslim backing over separate religion
TNN | Jan 24, 2018, 23:31 IST
Kolhapur: Marathas, Muslims and 70 other communities from the city have extended their support to the state-level mega rally organised by the Lingayat community, which is demanding status of separate religion, on January 28.
The Lingayats are around 1 crore across the state and the major population resides in south Maharashtra. They are considered as part of Hindu religion.
A majority of seers from the community support the demand while some are opposed to it saying that it is against Hindu religion. The demand is widely being made in Karnataka, which is going to the polls in the next few months.
On Wednesday, the leaders of over various communities attended the meeting at the Muslim Boarding. Similar support was extended by many communities to Marathas demanding reservation.
Vasantrao Mulik, district president of Maratha Mahasangh, said, "We are not just extending support to Lingayats, but we will be actively involved in its activities. The demand was made many years ago, but the political establishments have been ignoring it."
Lalit Gandhi of the Jain community said, "We fought to get the status of religion for the Jain community. The Lingayats' demand is just demand and the government should accept it."
Sarla Patil, organiser of the rally, said that over 2 lakh people are going to participate in the rally, which will start from Tawade Hotel area and conclude at the district collectorate.
"Many people from across the state will attend the rally. Earlier, we had held a rally in Sangli which received a huge response. There are many documental proofs showing that Lingayats enjoyed separate religious status," she said.
Lingayats win Maratha, Muslim backing over separate religion - Times of India -- link
TNN | Jan 24, 2018, 23:31 IST
Kolhapur: Marathas, Muslims and 70 other communities from the city have extended their support to the state-level mega rally organised by the Lingayat community, which is demanding status of separate religion, on January 28.
The Lingayats are around 1 crore across the state and the major population resides in south Maharashtra. They are considered as part of Hindu religion.
A majority of seers from the community support the demand while some are opposed to it saying that it is against Hindu religion. The demand is widely being made in Karnataka, which is going to the polls in the next few months.
On Wednesday, the leaders of over various communities attended the meeting at the Muslim Boarding. Similar support was extended by many communities to Marathas demanding reservation.
Vasantrao Mulik, district president of Maratha Mahasangh, said, "We are not just extending support to Lingayats, but we will be actively involved in its activities. The demand was made many years ago, but the political establishments have been ignoring it."
Lalit Gandhi of the Jain community said, "We fought to get the status of religion for the Jain community. The Lingayats' demand is just demand and the government should accept it."
Sarla Patil, organiser of the rally, said that over 2 lakh people are going to participate in the rally, which will start from Tawade Hotel area and conclude at the district collectorate.
"Many people from across the state will attend the rally. Earlier, we had held a rally in Sangli which received a huge response. There are many documental proofs showing that Lingayats enjoyed separate religious status," she said.
Lingayats win Maratha, Muslim backing over separate religion - Times of India -- link
Lingayats are Veerashaivas. It is difficult to understand the seeking of a separate religion from Hinduism; is Shiva now not a Hindu god?
Just another rent-seeking movement, trying to gain without pain through reservations.
It is justified, on the other hand, to count Jains as not being Hindu, and Jainism as a separate religion. The RSS hoax about an all-inclusive Hindu religion of their defining is slowly coming apart.
What a joker this Commie propagandist is,
Akka Mahadevi is the biggest devotee of Lord Shiva in Sri Sailam, Where Mallikarjuna Swami (Lord Shiva) resides and is one of the JyotirLingas In India. It was here Chatrapati Shivaji was blessed with the Sword 'Chandrahas' given to him by Shakti, while he was meditating there.
Akka Mahadevi's Samadhi is in a cave which can be reached if you crawl on your knees around 500 meters,that cave has very low light and less oxygen.
http://www.srisailamtourism.com/akka-mahadevi-caves-srisailam
She was the dearest devotee of Lord Shiva, Her idol carving with a shiva linga in hand is just beside the Nandi in Garbha Gudi (Sanctum Sanctorium) of Lord Shivas Jyotir linga in Srisailam
The Jokers in that article claim the names Basava and Linga are not related to Shiva and they don't worship Mahadev.
Commies think they can fool the people by separating Shiva from Lingayats. The word Linga itself comes from Shiva since Anaadi,(No beginning, nor End)
Akka Mahadevi is the biggest devotee of Lord Shiva in Sri Sailam, Where Mallikarjuna Swami (Lord Shiva) resides and is one of the JyotirLingas In India. It was here Chatrapati Shivaji was blessed with the Sword 'Chandrahas' given to him by Shakti, while he was meditating there.
Akka Mahadevi's Samadhi is in a cave which can be reached if you crawl on your knees around 500 meters,that cave has very low light and less oxygen.
http://www.srisailamtourism.com/akka-mahadevi-caves-srisailam
The Jokers in that article claim the names Basava and Linga are not related to Shiva and they don't worship Mahadev.
Commies think they can fool the people by separating Shiva from Lingayats. The word Linga itself comes from Shiva since Anaadi,(No beginning, nor End)
Nope Veerashaivas are not Lingayats, Veerashaivas claim to be same as Lingayats. I suspect that Veerashaiva is a trojan horse of ------- to keep Lingayats as part of Hinduism.
I think this is beyond petty issues like reservations, genuine religious and spiritual aspiration.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Jainism-a-...nd-how-Can-both-be-considered-Vedic-religions -- link
https://www.quora.com/Do-Jains-consider-themselves-as-Hindus
Why're you commenting on this clowns threads ? He quotes articles on goddamn AIDWA members on the what it means to be a Lingayat. it's like asking a eunuch on penetration or a *censored* to comment on chastity. The best people to answer such radicals are radicals of another kind - the Sanatan Sanstha. Let those two sets of loons sort it out and as & when the Congress under another self declared atheist Niddheramiah aids the creation of the Lingayat as another religion , be rest assured it'd be challenged in the courts and what's more the reasons why this group is seeking such a status which owes more to having full control over their religious and educational institutions as minority ones enjoy a great deal of autonomy , the act itself will also come under scrutiny if Modi led BJP will be in power then leading to a review of the autonomy such groups enjoy .
Just sit back and watch the fun.
Was just punching holes in his theory. AIDWA describing Lingayats is a ROFL moment. They managed to include Class struggle here too.
Communals trying to unite.
Seculars trying to divide.
Indians have to see the grand plan, played out over and over centuries. Please defeat these turds. Pls.
Seculars trying to divide.
Indians have to see the grand plan, played out over and over centuries. Please defeat these turds. Pls.
More evidence that, Veerashaiva is a trojan horse.
Siddaganga, Suttur Seers should break silence on Lingayat row: Prof. Champa - Star of Mysore -- link
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Siddaganga and Suttur seers should make their stand clear: Champa
By Express News Service | Published: 29th January 2018 03:18 AM |
Last Updated: 29th January 2018 05:36 AM | A+A A- |
MYSURU: Writer Chandrashekar Patil on Sunday reiterated that Siddaganga seer Shivakumara and Suttur seer Shivaratri Deshikendra should make their stand clear on the demand for separate community status to Lingayats. Patil, known as Champa, was addressing the gathering during a talk on ‘Lingayat- One Independent Religion’ organised by Lingayat Cultural Committee at Nataraja Women’s College in the city. Champa said: “It was not right on the part of the seers to keep mum.
They may have taken the sides of communal forces either due to external or internal pressure. However, they should break their silence and extend support to the ongoing struggle conforming with principles of 12th century revolutionary Basavanna.” Mincing no words, Champa told seers of Panchapeeth to take part in the movement instead of distancing themselves from the same. All mutts irrespective of virakta and others should come together for the cause, he added.
Tracing the genesis of Lingayats, Champa said: “It was due to the conspiracy hatched by Brahminical forces, ‘Lingayat’ is camoufl aged by ‘Veerashaiva’. It’s evident that, it is not a part of Hindu religion as it was founded as a separate religion that later grew into a bigger community. However, attempts are being made in the 21st century to trace roots of the religion that originated in 12th century. While it is a welcome sign, as the same religion is set to acquire a new dimension, one cannot also deny that it will be the posit for a bigger political development in the future, casting its spell on social, religious and economic developments,” he said.
Former bureaucrat Shivanand M Jamdar, also the convener of Lingayat Swatantra Dharma Vedike, likened the word ‘Veerashaiva’ with a disease that originated in Mysuru and pervaded North Karnataka and Hyderabad Karnataka regions like an epidemic. Some mutts in Mysuru region are yet to come out of the effect as they still use the word ‘Veerashaiva’ in their parlance. Substantiating, Jamdar quoted a population census report of princely Mysuru state when Lingayats were listed as ‘Shudras’. Prior to that Lingayat was a separate religion till 1881.
No sooner the census report was out, many books and also journals were published only to create a negative publicity on Lingayat. The life and times of revolutionary Basavanna considered as the founder of separate religion, were also portrayed in bad light,” he underlined. Former professor in philosophy N G Mahadevappa questioned the argument that Lingayats were Hindus.
Siddaganga and Suttur seers should make their stand clear: Champa --link
@bonobashi Lingayat leaders have identified Veerashaiva as a conspiracy. A Trojan horse.
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The Lingayats are now demanding that they should be declared as a separate religion and they are not Hindus. Siddaramaiah has assured them that he will send a recommendation to the Centre and has already formed an expert committee to look into their demands.
The BJP is in a fix over their demand. Its CM face BS Yeddyurappa, a Lingayat, is maintaining total silence over the issue fearing serious backlash either from his own community or from the Hindus.
The RSS is opposing the division of Hindus and seems to be rattled by Lingayats demand.
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Siddaganga, Suttur Seers should break silence on Lingayat row: Prof. Champa - Star of Mysore -- link
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Siddaganga and Suttur seers should make their stand clear: Champa
By Express News Service | Published: 29th January 2018 03:18 AM |
Last Updated: 29th January 2018 05:36 AM | A+A A- |
MYSURU: Writer Chandrashekar Patil on Sunday reiterated that Siddaganga seer Shivakumara and Suttur seer Shivaratri Deshikendra should make their stand clear on the demand for separate community status to Lingayats. Patil, known as Champa, was addressing the gathering during a talk on ‘Lingayat- One Independent Religion’ organised by Lingayat Cultural Committee at Nataraja Women’s College in the city. Champa said: “It was not right on the part of the seers to keep mum.
They may have taken the sides of communal forces either due to external or internal pressure. However, they should break their silence and extend support to the ongoing struggle conforming with principles of 12th century revolutionary Basavanna.” Mincing no words, Champa told seers of Panchapeeth to take part in the movement instead of distancing themselves from the same. All mutts irrespective of virakta and others should come together for the cause, he added.
Tracing the genesis of Lingayats, Champa said: “It was due to the conspiracy hatched by Brahminical forces, ‘Lingayat’ is camoufl aged by ‘Veerashaiva’. It’s evident that, it is not a part of Hindu religion as it was founded as a separate religion that later grew into a bigger community. However, attempts are being made in the 21st century to trace roots of the religion that originated in 12th century. While it is a welcome sign, as the same religion is set to acquire a new dimension, one cannot also deny that it will be the posit for a bigger political development in the future, casting its spell on social, religious and economic developments,” he said.
Former bureaucrat Shivanand M Jamdar, also the convener of Lingayat Swatantra Dharma Vedike, likened the word ‘Veerashaiva’ with a disease that originated in Mysuru and pervaded North Karnataka and Hyderabad Karnataka regions like an epidemic. Some mutts in Mysuru region are yet to come out of the effect as they still use the word ‘Veerashaiva’ in their parlance. Substantiating, Jamdar quoted a population census report of princely Mysuru state when Lingayats were listed as ‘Shudras’. Prior to that Lingayat was a separate religion till 1881.
No sooner the census report was out, many books and also journals were published only to create a negative publicity on Lingayat. The life and times of revolutionary Basavanna considered as the founder of separate religion, were also portrayed in bad light,” he underlined. Former professor in philosophy N G Mahadevappa questioned the argument that Lingayats were Hindus.
Siddaganga and Suttur seers should make their stand clear: Champa --link
@bonobashi Lingayat leaders have identified Veerashaiva as a conspiracy. A Trojan horse.
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The Lingayats are now demanding that they should be declared as a separate religion and they are not Hindus. Siddaramaiah has assured them that he will send a recommendation to the Centre and has already formed an expert committee to look into their demands.
The BJP is in a fix over their demand. Its CM face BS Yeddyurappa, a Lingayat, is maintaining total silence over the issue fearing serious backlash either from his own community or from the Hindus.
The RSS is opposing the division of Hindus and seems to be rattled by Lingayats demand.
OPINION | Modi Discovers Basaveshwara in Parliament to Beat Nehru Ahead of Karnataka Polls -- link
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Like RAM Puniyani.A fully practising Muslim with a Hindu name.
Not important what religion he follows, his "work" judged on merit speaks for himself.
But for curiosity, how do u know this?