Chinese Wuhan Virus Thread

8% you say?

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A regular shit eater. I hope the Israelis sell them a genetically engineered vaccine that prevents reproduction. As it is the COVID19 is said to affect reproductive organs. The Israelis can blame it on the virus in a convenient way.
Probably nature's way of telling us that there are too many of us on the planet. A bit like on The Happening. Makes sense, population has just being going up and up and up, and everyone wants to talk about reducing carbon emissions and not eating meat, but nobody wants to discuss the elephant in the room and acts like a continually increasing population will just be okay somehow.
 
If you take out Chinese numbers, the mortality numbers are more than 20% for rest of the world. It might come down in future though.

True, the most vulnerable must have gotten infected and succumbed first.

Any statistic that brings down the mortality rate will be good news.
 
Virus goes out of control in Pakistan! Their healthcare is in so poor state that they don't even have dialysis machine in top city hospitals.

Except massive number of deaths in coming days and Army exercising tight control on information.

It's time to panic India, please shut down everything right now, even offices otherwise it will be impossible to manage with the kind of population and infrastructure we have.

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Probably nature's way of telling us that there are too many of us on the planet. A bit like on The Happening. Makes sense, population has just being going up and up and up, and everyone wants to talk about reducing carbon emissions and not eating meat, but nobody wants to discuss the elephant in the room and acts like a continually increasing population will just be okay somehow.
I must say that's the first time I've seen you speak sense. Spend more time here and probably just probably we'd turn you into a reasonably intelligent person. Not good enough for MENSA but worthy of that engg degree you've gotten thru rote study as opposed to education.
 
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True, the most vulnerable must have gotten infected and succumbed first.

Any statistic that brings down the mortality rate will be good news.
Yes. Initially when the cases were predominantly from China the mortality rate started from 15% and rapidly came down and stabilized at 6%. Since last 4 days it started going up again and has reached 8%. My Chinese friends told me the no of cases and deaths are at least 5 times more than official data. Now analyzing numbers from other countries, it looks like Chinese numbers could be 10x more.
 
Yes. Initially when the cases were predominantly from China the mortality rate started from 15% and rapidly came down and stabilized at 6%. Since last 4 days it started going up again and has reached 8%. My Chinese friends told me the no of cases and deaths are at least 5 times more than official data. Now analyzing numbers from other countries, it looks like Chinese numbers could be 10x more.
Damn! I was under the impression that China finally curtailed infections in Wuhan / Hubei. This is worrying. How reliable is this info?
 
Yes. Initially when the cases were predominantly from China the mortality rate started from 15% and rapidly came down and stabilized at 6%. Since last 4 days it started going up again and has reached 8%. My Chinese friends told me the no of cases and deaths are at least 5 times more than official data. Now analyzing numbers from other countries, it looks like Chinese numbers could be 10x more.

The Chinese numbers are all fake. Iranian numbers could also be fake due to a mixture of political compulsion and incompetence.

We can only rely on the Italians for now, along with the Koreans. S Korea's mortality rate is at 6%, so it's pretty high.
 
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Damn! I was under the impression that China finally curtailed infections in Wuhan / Hubei. This is worrying. How reliable is this info?
They have certainly curtailed in Wuhan. But the numbers are anything but reliable.
My friend's parents live in Wuhan and it seems public transport has started operating. But things are still far from normal and people go out only for urgent needs. My friend's mother has not gone out of their apartment for almost 2 months now!!
 
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The Chinese numbers are all fake. Iranian numbers could also be fake due to a mixture of political compulsion and incompetence.

We can only rely on the Italians for now, along with the Koreans. S Korea's mortality rate is at 6%, so it's pretty high.
South Korea did a fantastic job. They quickly tested all citizens and that enabled them to isolate infected people. That's the reason you can see the numbers from Korea are pretty much stabilized.
Data from all European countries are reliable. More than Italy, the numbers from Norway, Sweden and Denmark scares me. These countries are sparsely populated and they do not socialize much. Yet the the number of cases per million population is extremely high. Imagine how quickly the virus can spread in a country like India !!
 
South Korea did a fantastic job. They quickly tested all citizens and that enabled them to isolate infected people. That's the reason you can see the numbers from Korea are pretty much stabilized.
Data from all European countries are reliable. More than Italy, the numbers from Norway, Sweden and Denmark scares me. These countries are sparsely populated and they do not socialize much. Yet the the number of cases per million population is extremely high. Imagine how quickly the virus can spread in a country like India !!

A demographic check for those countries is more important. I won't be surprised if majority of the cases there are the recent immigrants from the Middle East and Africa rather than the indigenous population.
 
It's less than 1 percent in south Korea...
In S Korea so far 1401 people have recovered and 81 have died. So that way mortality rate is approx 6 %. The 6000 people who are still being treated are not part of this calculation.
 
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Group of mullah s from Thailand had stayed in mosque in my place.
They all had symptoms and admitted in IRT perundurai medical college.

When Indian government going to shut airports?
SJha had been cribbing form day 1.

Meanwhile virus won't go away.. It ll stay for long time..

We cannot lock down for ever.

Only solution is to restrict transmission levels to limit where our medical facilities can handle it.

Brace for long time stress.. And impact.

Even doctors are scarcely protected.
We cannot change bed linens / pillow cover for every patient attending the OP.

I am trying to use paper roll used in marriage dining hall for patients..
For longer length covering pillow.

That's all I could do.
Scan probe,, toilet, door s, money received.. These all cannot be sterilized for every patients.
 
Group of mullah s from Thailand had stayed in mosque in my place.
They all had symptoms and admitted in IRT perundurai medical college.

When Indian government going to shut airports?
SJha had been cribbing form day 1.

Meanwhile virus won't go away.. It ll stay for long time..

We cannot lock down for ever.

Only solution is to restrict transmission levels to limit where our medical facilities can handle it.

Brace for long time stress.. And impact.

Even doctors are scarcely protected.
We cannot change bed linens / pillow cover for every patient attending the OP.

I am trying to use paper roll used in marriage dining hall for patients..
For longer length covering pillow.

That's all I could do.
Scan probe,, toilet, door s, money received.. These all cannot be sterilized for every patients.
Without complete lockdown, millions could be infected in India.
 
Without complete lockdown, millions could be infected in India.

We initially started with 14-day quarantine of passengers from China, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, South Korea and Spain. Now it's been extended to the EU, Turkey and UK. But I'm sure it's still not enough.

The Russians have banned everybody with some minor exceptions.
 
Virus originated in USA military base:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US - Global Research

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.
The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.
Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

Screenshot from The New York Times August 08, 2019
We also had the Japanese citizens infected in September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.
Then, on Chinese social media, another article appeared, aware of the above but presenting further details. It stated in part that five “foreign” athletes or other personnel visiting Wuhan for the World Military Games (October 18-27, 2019) were hospitalised in Wuhan for an undetermined infection.

The article explains more clearly that the Wuhan version of the virus could have come only from the US because it is what they call a “branch” which could not have been created first because it would have no ‘seed’. It would have to have been a new variety spun off the original ‘trunk’, and that trunk exists only in the US. (1)
There has been much public speculation that the coronavirus had been deliberately transmitted to China but, according to the Chinese article, a less sinister alternative is possible.
If some members of the US team at the World Military Games (18-27 October) had become infected by the virus from an accidental outbreak at Fort Detrick it is possible that, with a long initial incubation period, their symptoms might have been minor, and those individuals could easily have ‘toured’ the city of Wuhan during their stay, infecting potentially thousands of local residents in various locations, many of whom would later travel to the seafood market from which the virus would spread like wildfire (as it did).
That would account also for the practical impossibility of locating the legendary “patient zero” – which in this case has never been found since there would have been many of them.
Next, Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease expert at Georgetown University in Washington, said in an article in Science magazine that the first human infection has been confirmed as occurring in November 2019, (not in Wuhan), suggesting the virus originated elsewhere and then spread to the seafood markets. “One group put the origin of the outbreak as early as 18 September 2019.” (2) (3)
China’s New Coronavirus: An Examination of the Facts
Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally.
Description of earliest cases suggests the outbreak began elsewhere.
The article states:
“As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.” (4) (5)​
The paper, written by a group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases”, they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link”, says Daniel Lucey . . . (6)
Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization had said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December 2019 – and those reports simply said “most” cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January. (7)
“Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019 – if not earlier – because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan – and perhaps elsewhere – before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace”, Lucey asserts.
“China must have realized the epidemic did not originate in that Wuhan Huanan seafood market”, Lucey told Science Insider. (8)
Kristian Andersen is an evolutionary biologist at the Scripps Research Institute who has analyzed sequences of 2019-nCoV to try to clarify its origin. He said the scenario was “entirely plausible” of infected persons bringing the virus into the seafood market from somewhere outside. According to the Science article,
“Andersen posted his analysis of 27 available genomes of 2019-nCoV on 25 January on a virology research website. It suggests they had a “most recent common ancestor” – meaning a common source – as early as 1 October 2019.” (9)​
It was interesting that Lucey also noted that MERS was originally believed to have come from a patient in Saudi Arabia in June of 2012, but later and more thorough studies traced it back to an earlier hospital outbreak of unexplained pneumonia in Jordan in April of that year. Lucey said that from stored samples from people who died in Jordan, medical authorities confirmed they had been infected with the MERS virus. (10)
This would provide impetus for caution among the public in accepting the “official standard narrative” that the Western media are always so eager to provide – as they did with SARS, MERS, and ZIKA, all of which ‘official narratives’ were later proven to have been wrong.
In this case, the Western media flooded their pages for months about the COVID-19 virus originating in the Wuhan seafood market, caused by people eating bats and wild animals. All of this has been proven wrong.
Not only did the virus not originate at the seafood market, it did not originate in Wuhan at all, and it has now been proven that it did not originate in China but was brought to China from another country. Part of the proof of this assertion is that the genome varieties of the virus in Iran and Italy have been sequenced and declared to have no part of the variety that infected China and must, by definition, have originated elsewhere.
It would seem the only possibility for origination would be the US because only that country has the “tree trunk” of all the varieties. And it may therefore be true that the original source of the COVID-19 virus was the US military bio-warfare lab at Fort Detrick. This would not be a surprise, given that the CDC completely shut down Fort Detrick, but also because, as I related in an earlier article, between 2005 and 2012 the US had experienced 1,059 events where pathogens had been either stolen or escaped from American bio-labs during the prior ten years.
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Virus originated in USA military base:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US - Global Research

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.
The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.
Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

Screenshot from The New York Times August 08, 2019
We also had the Japanese citizens infected in September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.
Then, on Chinese social media, another article appeared, aware of the above but presenting further details. It stated in part that five “foreign” athletes or other personnel visiting Wuhan for the World Military Games (October 18-27, 2019) were hospitalised in Wuhan for an undetermined infection.

The article explains more clearly that the Wuhan version of the virus could have come only from the US because it is what they call a “branch” which could not have been created first because it would have no ‘seed’. It would have to have been a new variety spun off the original ‘trunk’, and that trunk exists only in the US. (1)
There has been much public speculation that the coronavirus had been deliberately transmitted to China but, according to the Chinese article, a less sinister alternative is possible.
If some members of the US team at the World Military Games (18-27 October) had become infected by the virus from an accidental outbreak at Fort Detrick it is possible that, with a long initial incubation period, their symptoms might have been minor, and those individuals could easily have ‘toured’ the city of Wuhan during their stay, infecting potentially thousands of local residents in various locations, many of whom would later travel to the seafood market from which the virus would spread like wildfire (as it did).
That would account also for the practical impossibility of locating the legendary “patient zero” – which in this case has never been found since there would have been many of them.
Next, Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease expert at Georgetown University in Washington, said in an article in Science magazine that the first human infection has been confirmed as occurring in November 2019, (not in Wuhan), suggesting the virus originated elsewhere and then spread to the seafood markets. “One group put the origin of the outbreak as early as 18 September 2019.” (2) (3)
China’s New Coronavirus: An Examination of the Facts
Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally.
Description of earliest cases suggests the outbreak began elsewhere.
The article states:
“As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.” (4) (5)​
The paper, written by a group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases”, they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link”, says Daniel Lucey . . . (6)
Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization had said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December 2019 – and those reports simply said “most” cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January. (7)
“Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019 – if not earlier – because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan – and perhaps elsewhere – before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace”, Lucey asserts.
“China must have realized the epidemic did not originate in that Wuhan Huanan seafood market”, Lucey told Science Insider. (8)
Kristian Andersen is an evolutionary biologist at the Scripps Research Institute who has analyzed sequences of 2019-nCoV to try to clarify its origin. He said the scenario was “entirely plausible” of infected persons bringing the virus into the seafood market from somewhere outside. According to the Science article,
“Andersen posted his analysis of 27 available genomes of 2019-nCoV on 25 January on a virology research website. It suggests they had a “most recent common ancestor” – meaning a common source – as early as 1 October 2019.” (9)​
It was interesting that Lucey also noted that MERS was originally believed to have come from a patient in Saudi Arabia in June of 2012, but later and more thorough studies traced it back to an earlier hospital outbreak of unexplained pneumonia in Jordan in April of that year. Lucey said that from stored samples from people who died in Jordan, medical authorities confirmed they had been infected with the MERS virus. (10)
This would provide impetus for caution among the public in accepting the “official standard narrative” that the Western media are always so eager to provide – as they did with SARS, MERS, and ZIKA, all of which ‘official narratives’ were later proven to have been wrong.
In this case, the Western media flooded their pages for months about the COVID-19 virus originating in the Wuhan seafood market, caused by people eating bats and wild animals. All of this has been proven wrong.
Not only did the virus not originate at the seafood market, it did not originate in Wuhan at all, and it has now been proven that it did not originate in China but was brought to China from another country. Part of the proof of this assertion is that the genome varieties of the virus in Iran and Italy have been sequenced and declared to have no part of the variety that infected China and must, by definition, have originated elsewhere.
It would seem the only possibility for origination would be the US because only that country has the “tree trunk” of all the varieties. And it may therefore be true that the original source of the COVID-19 virus was the US military bio-warfare lab at Fort Detrick. This would not be a surprise, given that the CDC completely shut down Fort Detrick, but also because, as I related in an earlier article, between 2005 and 2012 the US had experienced 1,059 events where pathogens had been either stolen or escaped from American bio-labs during the prior ten years.
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Lol paid article from china.....its originated from China....chinese are responsible for this mess