Lok Sabha passes Citizenship Bill amidst Opposition outcry

Surely babri masjid violence was also Muslims
Yes and this so called stir against CAB is actually an outpouring of anger against RJB verdict. Muslims lost face and are now set to lose Gyanvapi mosque also. Next on line are other 44000 masjids which were built by demolishing Hindu temples. I had stated here that RJB verdict will open doors for reclaiming all other temples also.
 
Yes and this so called stir against CAB is actually an outpouring of anger against RJB verdict. Muslims lost face and are now set to lose Gyanvapi mosque also. Next on line are other 44000 masjids which were built by demolishing Hindu temples. I had stated here that RJB verdict will open doors for reclaiming all other temples also.

you're just going down an endless rabbithole man.
 
Assam: Congress seeks citizenship for Hindu Bengalis, Buddhists who migrated from Bangladesh
By Bikash Singh, ET Bureau|Updated: Jun 02, 2015, 04.26 PM IST


GUWAHATI: What is seen as a bid to halt BJP’s move to woo the Hindu Bengali vote in Assam, the Congress has sought citizenship for the Hindu Bengalis who had moved to Assam from the erstwhile East Pakistan following atrocities and torture.

Assam is going to polls next year and BJP’s ideological mentor, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), has a strong base among the Hindu Bengali voters.

At an executive meeting of Assam Pradesh Congress committee (APCC) held recently, APCC president Anjan Dutta said, "We will take up the unresolved issue of citizenship for the Bengali Hindus, Buddhists, Christians and people of other minority communities who came to Assam after being subjected to inhuman torture post the partition of India.”

Dutta added, "These people were citizens of undivided India and they were forced to flee their own homes for saving their lives after being subjected to atrocities on the grounds of religion. The APCC urges the Centre to grant citizenship to all such people, taking into consideration historical reality and the humanitarian aspect."

BJP president Amit Shah, during his visit to Assam last month, had promised shelter for Hindu Bangladeshis who came to India owing to religious persecution.

Hindu Bengali voters have traditionally supported the BJP. However, during the last assembly polls in 2011, Congress had cornered their votes.

Shah said that owing to religious persecution Hindus are being forced to leave Bangladesh. “We will take care of them, provide them shelter. However, this burden will not be borne by Assam alone; the whole country will share it.”

Dutta told ET, "We are talking about all minorities subjected to atrocities, and not just Hindu Bengalis. We are not concerned about BJP’s stand. They are talking about it only now. We had taken a cabinet resolution on 2011 seeking refugee status for granting asylum to these people”.

Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi had submitted a memorandum to the then Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh on April 20, 2012, pleading that Indian citizens who had to flee due to discrimination and religious persecution at the time of partition, should not be treated as foreigners.
Assam: Congress seeks citizenship for Hindu Bengalis, Buddhists who migrated from Bangladesh
@Arpit Read the above post, the duplicity of those who now oppose CAB 2019.
 
The way the things are moving, I fear large scale riots in India very soon between Muslims on one side and all others on the other side. I also do not rule out some misadventure by either Pakistan directly or thru its proxies or some of its proxies going berserk and doing something like Pulwama on their own by going against the dictates of ISI. For a very long time, I had stated that we are waiting for Pakistan to give us a chance and also stated that Jan-Feb time is best and most suitable astrologically for Modi to finish off Pakistan due to the combination of Planets.
The time between 16th Dec till Sun enters Capricorn, is going to be extremely bad for India. India is Taurus sign, and the eight house has Jupiter which is now asth, Saturn, which is moving to capri and Mars with Sun going to join this six planet combinations in India's eight house. Plus we have solar eclipse taking place in this eight house on 26th Dec. Things are going to become worse everyday till about Mid jan when Jupiter becomes Udit again.
On 24th Jan Saturn will enter Capri and that happens to be its own sign and it will join Mars for which Capri is exalted sign with Sun. Jupiter will than be in full force in Saggi and will give boost to Taurus sign. Modi is a scorpion, for him this means that three most powerful planets will be in his third house which is house of war and taking risks. Plus he will come out of Sade sati of Saturn.
Very interesting one month for India starting tomorrow.
 
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The mushrooms want to settle in large all along border areas of India and it has already started. Now protest in Dehradoon, previously in Assam and West Bengal.
 
The mushrooms want to settle in large all along border areas of India and it has already started. Now protest in Dehradoon, previously in Assam and West Bengal.
If Hindus show their power, nothing will happen. Jamia and Batla House are part of the villages in south delhi which fall under our Sardari. We are Sardars of a total of 51 villages in south Delhi. This sardari was given to us by Maharaja Surajmal for the support we gave him in 1760 before third Battle of Panipat.
Today there was large scale violence in my area of Jullena. We passed a clear to these guys, come towards us, and we will take law in our hands and the consequences will be very very heavy. They did not even throw a stone towards us. Ours is a village of Brahmins. Everyone in my village is related to eachother thru bloodlines.
 
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What shocks me the most is that UP has largest number of muslims in India and there are no such reports of disturbance from UP. Infact not even from any BJP ruled state or with governments supported by BJP like Bihar. Why is it all happenning in states not ruled by BJP? Is there a message for all hindus to unite and ensure BJP rule?
 
Today there was large scale violence in my area of Jullena. We passed a clear to these guys, come towards us, and we will take law in our hands and the consequences will be very very heavy. They did not even throw a stone towards us. Ours is a village of Brahmins. Everyone in my village is related to eachother thru bloodlines.

What they were at the brick of violence? Situation is bad!
What shocks me the most is that UP has largest number of muslims in India and there are no such reports of disturbance from UP. Infact not even from any BJP ruled state or with governments supported by BJP like Bihar. Why is it all happenning in states not ruled by BJP? Is there a message for all hindus to unite and ensure BJP rule?

They did not forget Gujarat 2002
 
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What they were at the brick of violence? Situation is bad!
They have attacked houses in New Friends Colony. We have already sent our daughters and young women away to our relatives. In my village about 50% houses have legal weapons. AND every house has 2-3 illegal weapons also. We have also sent out messages to other villages to be ready to come down to join us to fight off these idiots. Situation is very tense. The guys have been brought in from western UP to foment trouble by AAP & Congress. Its not the locals. Only a few are Locals. AAP MLA Amanutulla is behind this. This chouraha at Holy Family Hospital is called by us as Wagah Border. We have told these guys from Jamia that should you cross this, we will not spare you. The things have remained quiet till date. But now it seems, things will go out of hand. We are prepared to teach them a lesson their generations will remember. We are prepared to even snatch weapons from Delhi Police and attack Jamia if they attack my village. Even these outside goons from western UP have been told that they will not be allowed to cross Yamuna and will be killed and their bodies sunk with stones. Our relations are on both sides of River Yamuna and all are Hindu Villages with majority being Jats.
 
They have attacked houses in New Friends Colony. We have already sent our daughters and young women away to our relatives. In my village about 50% houses have legal weapons. AND every house has 2-3 illegal weapons also. We have also sent out messages to other villages to be ready to come down to join us to fight off these idiots. Situation is very tense. The guys have been brought in from western UP to foment trouble by AAP & Congress. Its not the locals. Only a few are Locals. AAP MLA Amanutulla is behind this. This chouraha at Holy Family Hospital is called by us as Wagah Border. We have told these guys from Jamia that should you cross this, we will not spare you. The things have remained quiet till date. But now it seems, things will go out of hand. We are prepared to teach them a lesson their generations will remember. We are prepared to even snatch weapons from Delhi Police and attack Jamia if they attack my village. Even these outside goons from western UP have been told that they will not be allowed to cross Yamuna and will be killed and their bodies sunk with stones. Our relations are on both sides of River Yamuna and all are Hindu Villages with majority being Jats.

We need to start issuing Guns to Hindus

One 9 mm pistol to every household
 
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We need to start issuing Guns to Hindus

One 9 mm pistol to every household
Dont worry, In Haryana and UP, we are far better equipped. Plus we have a very large number of retired service guys. We know how to deal with these guys. Godhra happened in Gujrat. Punjab, Haryana and UP will not have Godhra but complete________.
 
Criticisms of the CAB do not stand close scrutiny

There seem to be several arguments against the Citizenship Amendment Bill (CAB), 2019 — which on December 12 became a law with the President signing it. Unfortunately, much of it is caught up in rhetoric rather than cold hard facts. This is why it is necessary to analyse each one systematically. When one does this from a first principles perspective, one finds that each of the arguments against the CAB starts falling through.
The primary guiding principle of the CAB is ‘State Denomination’ — that is to say does the country officially identify itself, through its legal name (not in practice) as a denominational state. After all one could legitimately ask why just Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh?
It is correctly pointed out that some of the worst humanitarian crises in the neighbourhood are in fact in China (Uighur concentration camps) and Myanmar (Rohingyas) and, albeit in past tense, the Tamil issue in Sri Lanka. However this misses one simple fact that the CAB does not address all persecution, but rather persecution emanating from States that officially have a religious denomination. Indeed this could be regarded as the first principle’s basis of the CAB.

For example: China is officially an atheist state and is neither the Confucian republic of China, nor the Taoist Republic of China, but the People's Republic of China that does not discriminate on the basis of religion. It has cracked down on Tibetan Buddhists, on the Falun Gong, on the Turkic Muslim Uighur and the ethnically Chinese Muslim Hui, and in the past saw the wanton destruction of religious structures belonging to the Confucian and Taoist beliefs.
Similarly, we have Sri Lanka and Myanmar, which both have a Theravada Buddhist majority, but do not have denominational governments. Sri Lanka, for example, is officially Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka while Myanmar is Republic of the Union of Myanmar.
Indeed, if this was aimed at ‘Muslim majority countries’ to show up Islam as being bad somehow, how does one explain the exclusion of the Maldives but the inclusion of Bangladesh neither of which are an ‘Islamic Republic’, rather the Republic of the Maldives and the People’s Republic of Bangladesh? While Bangladesh does not include Islam in its name, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that it is an Islamic Republic despite petitions to overturn the status of Islam.
What about the Maldives then? Why is the Maldives excluded from the CAB? It’s because the Maldives does not have any non-Muslim citizens. To be a citizen one has to be a Muslim as per its constitution.
What this means is that the legal criteria for the singling out of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh stands on a solid legal criteria, and not some arbitrary concocted one, and including the Maldives in this list, would actually be legislating for a non-existent population.
From this derives the second of the first principle that guides this law — what constitutes a ‘minority’? There are two aspects of this — State definition and self-identification.
This may seem particularly valid since a case may be made that Hazaras are routinely slaughtered by the Taliban; that Shia mosques get bombed in Pakistan; and Ahmadis are in practice (not in law) deemed ‘waajib ul qatl’ (fit to be killed) in Pakistan due to their status as non-Muslims; and the Baloch are targeted ethnically despite being Sunni. Yet again, we must go back to the laws of these countries. They are ‘Islamic’ Republics, not ‘Sunni’ republics, not ‘Shia’ republics, not ‘Salafi’ republics, not ‘Hanafi’ republic.
What this means is that there is not an institutionalised law specifically persecuting Hazaras and other Shias and the Baloch are an ethnicity anyway, not a religion. This is where the Ahmadis come in, for are they not ‘persecuted’? Legally they are not, because they are simply recognised as non-Muslim — the same as Christians, Sikhs and Hindus. This is where the second criteria — that of self-definition, comes in.
While the State may not recognise the Ahmadis as Muslim, the Ahmadis themselves do, have a caliph, voted for Partition, and do not oppose either the religious denomination of Pakistan, nor the slew of legislation that discriminated against minorities. Far from it the second Ahmadi caliph, actively criticised the Khilafat movement of Gandhi, for “turning to a Hindu for leadership”. Also to note is that none of these communities seek to end the Islamic nature of the State — rather they seek inclusion in the ranks of the privileged and do not oppose State discrimination against non-Muslims as defined by them.
Finally, we have established principles of law that hold that if you pass specific legislation for one, you do not have to pass specific legislation for them all. All up, the CAB satisfies the test of first principles against which every (good) law should be measured so as to avoid contradictions and implementation problems. It, therefore, rests on solid legal ground.
The only glaring gap then — on which it can be accused of having made a grievous error — is the exclusion of the most persecuted group of them all — atheists and apostates whose very existence draws the death penalty. This group must be recognised and included immediately.
 
Criticisms of the CAB do not stand close scrutiny

There seem to be several arguments against the Citizenship Amendment Bill (CAB), 2019 — which on December 12 became a law with the President signing it. Unfortunately, much of it is caught up in rhetoric rather than cold hard facts. This is why it is necessary to analyse each one systematically. When one does this from a first principles perspective, one finds that each of the arguments against the CAB starts falling through.
The primary guiding principle of the CAB is ‘State Denomination’ — that is to say does the country officially identify itself, through its legal name (not in practice) as a denominational state. After all one could legitimately ask why just Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh?
It is correctly pointed out that some of the worst humanitarian crises in the neighbourhood are in fact in China (Uighur concentration camps) and Myanmar (Rohingyas) and, albeit in past tense, the Tamil issue in Sri Lanka. However this misses one simple fact that the CAB does not address all persecution, but rather persecution emanating from States that officially have a religious denomination. Indeed this could be regarded as the first principle’s basis of the CAB.

For example: China is officially an atheist state and is neither the Confucian republic of China, nor the Taoist Republic of China, but the People's Republic of China that does not discriminate on the basis of religion. It has cracked down on Tibetan Buddhists, on the Falun Gong, on the Turkic Muslim Uighur and the ethnically Chinese Muslim Hui, and in the past saw the wanton destruction of religious structures belonging to the Confucian and Taoist beliefs.
Similarly, we have Sri Lanka and Myanmar, which both have a Theravada Buddhist majority, but do not have denominational governments. Sri Lanka, for example, is officially Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka while Myanmar is Republic of the Union of Myanmar.
Indeed, if this was aimed at ‘Muslim majority countries’ to show up Islam as being bad somehow, how does one explain the exclusion of the Maldives but the inclusion of Bangladesh neither of which are an ‘Islamic Republic’, rather the Republic of the Maldives and the People’s Republic of Bangladesh? While Bangladesh does not include Islam in its name, the Supreme Court has repeatedlyheld that it is an Islamic Republic despite petitions to overturn the status of Islam.
What about the Maldives then? Why is the Maldives excluded from the CAB? It’s because the Maldives does not have any non-Muslim citizens. To be a citizen one has to be a Muslim as per its constitution.
What this means is that the legal criteria for the singling out of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh stands on a solid legal criteria, and not some arbitrary concocted one, and including the Maldives in this list, would actually be legislating for a non-existent population.
From this derives the second of the first principle that guides this law — what constitutes a ‘minority’? There are two aspects of this — State definition and self-identification.
This may seem particularly valid since a case may be made that Hazaras are routinely slaughtered by the Taliban; that Shia mosques get bombed in Pakistan; and Ahmadis are in practice (not in law) deemed ‘waajib ul qatl’ (fit to be killed) in Pakistan due to their status as non-Muslims; and the Baloch are targeted ethnically despite being Sunni. Yet again, we must go back to the laws of these countries. They are ‘Islamic’ Republics, not ‘Sunni’ republics, not ‘Shia’ republics, not ‘Salafi’ republics, not ‘Hanafi’ republic.
What this means is that there is not an institutionalised law specifically persecuting Hazaras and other Shias and the Baloch are an ethnicity anyway, not a religion. This is where the Ahmadis come in, for are they not ‘persecuted’? Legally they are not, because they are simply recognised as non-Muslim — the same as Christians, Sikhs and Hindus. This is where the second criteria — that of self-definition, comes in.
While the State may not recognise the Ahmadis as Muslim, the Ahmadis themselves do, have a caliph, voted for Partition, and do not oppose either the religious denomination of Pakistan, nor the slew of legislation that discriminated against minorities. Far from it the second Ahmadi caliph, actively criticised the Khilafat movement of Gandhi, for “turning to a Hindu for leadership”. Also to note is that none of these communities seek to end the Islamic nature of the State — rather they seek inclusion in the ranks of the privileged and do not oppose State discrimination against non-Muslims as defined by them.
Finally, we have established principles of law that hold that if you pass specific legislation for one, you do not have to pass specific legislation for them all. All up, the CAB satisfies the test of first principles against which every (good) law should be measured so as to avoid contradictions and implementation problems. It, therefore, rests on solid legal ground.
The only glaring gap then — on which it can be accused of having made a grievous error — is the exclusion of the most persecuted group of them all — atheists and apostates whose very existence draws the death penalty. This group must be recognised and included immediately.

Sense of Entitlement -- that is what it is all about

" They " believe that they are SUPERIOR
TO ALL OTHERS , and that they are special people because they follow a " Certain "
Religion
 
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Dont worry, In Haryana and UP, we are far better equipped. Plus we have a very large number of retired service guys. We know how to deal with these guys. Godhra happened in Gujrat. Punjab, Haryana and UP will not have Godhra but complete________.

stop looking at them as enemies