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Can't use NavIC guided shells in Europe, can you?
AFAIK, like the GNSS chips on phone, you can have multiple constellation based chips in guided shells too or may be it will be different for military grade GNSS signal? NavIC will also be extended in the mean time covering most of Eurasian continent.

The point I am trying to make is our military don't always see eye-to-eye with the US military on weapons, ammo & tactics.
Agree on this part, India and US military cooperation is very different to other NATO and 5-eyes treaty allies
 
I doubt India is a big part of this. Our involvement, if any, would probably be limited to ammo, maybe grenades/explosives, maybe med-packs & other consumables. We have seen 155mm ammo orders from the US to indirectly supply Ukraine. The new 155mm production lines were in the works before the Ukraine war started. They were being set up because IA made the 155mm as the standard artillery ammo.

Let's say in the future, US Army adopts 6.5x43 mm as the standard issue rifle round while IA continues with their usual circus. I don't think there would be any 6.5mm ammo production lines setting up in India even with American funding. Unless IA adopts that caliber as the standard new production lines won't be economically viable.

Take the case of the M982 Excalibur GPS guided artillery round. IA has bought quite a few of them & they seem to like these rounds too. But they are expensive. Our solution to the price problem isn't to set up a production line of the M982 in India but to make our own version of that weapon. We now have a project for making NavIC guided artillery shells.

The point I am trying to make is our military don't always see eye-to-eye with the US military on weapons, ammo & tactics. Even when they do, we prefer to make our own weapons than to set up production line of the American weapon. Other countries, especially NATO countries, cannot readily adopt our weapons. Can't use NavIC guided shells in Europe, can you? Then of course there is the Russia factor in all this.
Ultimately, ammunition/arty shells/ and other consumables might be good enough. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see more components for missiles/jets/comm systems/etc in the future. India might not be the primary customer, but the point is to ensure that there is sufficient manufacturing capability of common Western munitions dispersed near possible fronts. With programs in Australia and SEA production, the primary customers aren't the manufacturing nations themselves but more the US who distributes them to Israel/Ukraine/Taiwan/etc. The hope is that when war happens these facilities will exist to supply multiple theaters and if these nations ever need additional capability, they will be more able to quickly take and integrate these munitions.
 
AFAIK, like the GNSS chips on phone, you can have multiple constellation based chips in guided shells too or may be it will be different for military grade GNSS signal?
It can be done. Instead of using a GPS or NavIC specific ASICS chip you would need a SoC that can switch between NavIC & GPS. The SoC will consume more power & will be more expensive. These are solvable problems if these rounds are mass produced.

NavIC will also be extended in the mean time covering most of Eurasian continent.
ISRO launched 9 units of the 1st generation IRNSS satellites. 1 was lost due to launch vehicle failure. 3 were partially lost due to failure of the Israeli atomic clocks on the sats. We have 5 units of the 1st gen sats left that are fully operational.

2nd gen sats have Indian atomic clocks. 1 sat was launched last year, 1 more to be launched this year. So, by the end of this year, we will have 7 active navigation sats.

We need at least 22-24 sats for a truly global navigation system. That might take some time.
 
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Why More American Weapons Will Soon Be Made Outside America​

With the wars in Ukraine and Gaza straining U.S. arsenals, Washington is seeking to expand production with global partners like Australia.

By Damien Cave
Reporting from Mulwala, Benalla and Orchard Hills, Australia | March 1, 2024

On the grassy plains of Australia’s vast interior, an industrial evolution in the American war machine is gathering momentum. In munitions factories with room to grow, Australia is on the verge of producing heaps of artillery shells and thousands of guided missiles in partnership with American companies.

Made to Pentagon specifications, the weapons will be no different from those built in the United States, and only some of what rolls off the line will stay in Australia. The rest are intended to help replenish U.S. stockpiles or be sold to American partners in an era of grinding ground wars and threats from major powers.

It is all part of an Australian push to essentially become the 51st state for defense production, an ambitious vision that is now taking shape with a giant yellow mixer for explosives and a lightning-protected workshop for assembling missiles known as GMLRS — or “gimmlers.”

“We’re not buying a commodity, we’re investing in an enterprise,” said Brig. Andrew Langford, the Australian director general responsible for domestic manufacturing of guided weapons and explosives. “And that’s where it’s really novel.”



A worker in a yellow shirt holds a canister in a plant. He is inside a structure open on one side.


The Benalla munitions factory makes a variety of ordnance, including artillery shells and large bombs.Credit: Matthew Abbott for The New York Times

The embrace of joint production reflects a wider awakening in Washington and other capitals: The United States by itself cannot make enough of the weapons needed for protracted warfare and deterrence. Vulnerable partners like Taiwan are already facing delayed orders for American equipment even as China’s military capabilities continue to grow.

So while the Pentagon waits for changes to Cold War-era laws that prioritize protecting — not sharing — military technology, and as the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts push U.S. factories to their limits, officials are leading a worldwide campaign to make more American weapons with friendly nations.
Poland, Japan and India are a few of the countries in various phases of production partnerships. But Australia, the closest of U.S. allies, having fought alongside Americans in every conflict since World War I, has gone further and faster with the Defense Department and U.S. contractors like Lockheed Martin.

Together, they are testing a more collective approach that demands greater trust, investments in the billions of dollars, and cross-continental sharing of sensitive technology for American weapons systems, along with complex production and testing methods.

“We’re really pleased at the momentum and speed we’re generating with Australia,” said Bill LaPlante, the under secretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment. “Efforts like these act as a kind of blueprint for additional U.S. co-development, co-production and co-sustainment agreements around the world.”For Australia, a distant island of 26 million people, going first adds opportunity and stress.

At a time when China’s military keeps leaping forward, with seemingly endless production lines for warships and missiles, Australia’s push into joint production could make the country more of a “porcupine,” with sharper defenses that would deter China or another adversary. It could also create a much bigger weapons export industry with a U.S. stamp of approval — Australian officials have been lobbying for a broad exemption to military export laws, a status only Canada has now.

“We are there to supplement, not supplant, the American industrial base,” said Pat Conroy, Australia’s minister for defense industry, who recently returned from a trip to Washington. “They should see this as an opportunity for us to be a second supply line.”

The risk is that the United States loses interest. Some Australian officials worry that their costly bet on American cooperation — which accelerated in 2021 with plans for nuclear-propelled submarines — could be endangered by another isolationist Trump presidency, or simply by an objection from a member of Congress who sees foreign factories as a threat to American jobs.

Shells are piled high on wooden pallets.


Bombs for the Australian Air Force are also made at the Benalla munitions factory. Credit: Matthew Abbott for The New York Times
A worker in a yellow shirt stands in a factory and next to a bin that is receiving cartridges.


Factory staff are not allowed to carry phones or other electronics into sensitive areas. Credit: Matthew Abbott for The New York Times

Analysts argue that weapons co-production will deliver the benefit of greater deterrence only if the manufacturing process advances with alacrity in Australia and around the region.

“There is strength in numbers,” said Charles Edel, the Australia chair and a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, “but only if those numbers materialize rapidly and in sufficient quantity to give Beijing pause.”

Mr. LaPlante stressed that joint production agreements signaled a long-term commitment, with multiyear contracts for munitions. In Australia, it’s something of a revival: During World War II, the island hosted American troops and served as a military supply center.

That legacy can still be found at a factory in Mulwala, a small town a few hundred miles from Australia’s eastern coast where the United States shipped over the machinery for making weapons propellants in the 1940s to support Allied operations in the Pacific.

One of the original buildings, with the musty smell of a museum, has photos on the walls from that era, but the rest of the complex points to the future.

Mulwala is a hub of Australia’s public-private explosives industry. It’s where the volatile materials that fill artillery, bombs and rifle rounds are made in heavy concrete buildings set far apart from each other and protected with hair-trigger alarms and wet floors to minimize static electricity.
Most of the 2,500-acre site is managed by Thales, a multinational defense contractor, which also oversees munition production at a second location nearby in Benalla. Both sit on government land with a large pastoral buffer that could allow for expansion during what Australian officials described as the “crawl, walk, run” process of collaborative manufacturing.

First, the United States and Australia are finalizing joint production of unguided 155-millimeter artillery shells, which Pentagon officials described as “an early win.”

Next, in the coming months, Lockheed Martin will start assembling GMLRS (Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System) with American components at a location where other missiles are maintained, ramping up from a few units to a few hundred.

And as walking turns to running, Australia expects to be producing around 3,000 GMLRS per year with at least some local parts — most likely those that rely on “energetics,” a term that includes the explosives that are used to fly a missile and blow up its target.

“The intellectual knowledge is here,” said Col. Tony Watson, who is leading a program to upgrade government factories at Mulwala and Benalla. “So it’s easy to grow and expand.”

Production, by all accounts, will increase with caution. James Heading, director of programs for Lockheed Martin Australia’s missiles and fire control division, said that coordinating safety procedures for dangerous liquids, differences in voltage and other issues had already required considerable back and forth.

He added, however, that Pentagon approvals for Australia now often take weeks rather than months or years — and that the hurdles are worth overcoming primarily because the end products are in demand.

GMLRS are launched from tubes on trucks known as HIMARS, and they can hit targets 50 miles away with 200 pounds of explosives using GPS for precise strikes.

Last year, the United States supplied Ukraine with at least 20 HIMARS systems, along with GMLRS, and they rapidly shifted momentum in the conflict.
Taiwan has ordered at least 29 HIMARS launchers since 2020, adding another potential customer for Australia. Israel makes its own rocket systems, but American and Australian officials have discussed potential sales to allies in Europe.

GMLRS, an established, relatively straightforward product, would be what the Australians call a “pipe cleaner” — it will help clear out problems with joint production, paving the way for more missile and munition manufacturing.

In the Pentagon and Australian vision of the future, Australia and other U.S. partners will soon be the nodes of a global supply chain, producing interchangeable weapons with greater ramp-up capacity in more places where extra firepower could be needed.

The weapons would be at least partly American. They just won’t have all come from America — and that may make avoiding a war or fighting one a lot easier.

“The West has a great opportunity to harness its collective industrial base, to ensure we maintain a rules-based global order,” said Air Marshal Leon Phillips, Australia’s most senior military official in charge of guided weapons and explosive ordnance. “We’re moving toward a just-in-case model, and away from just-in-time.”
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Source: New York Times
About the author: Damien Cave is an international correspondent for The Times, covering the Indo-Pacific region. He is based in Sydney, Australia. More about Damien Cave

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The article mentions this, but this isn't just a US-Australia phenomenon. From manufacturing of artillery, rockets and even ship building/major refits - the US is increasingly relying on allies to make up for deficiencies and prep supply chains for great power conflicts of the future.

Have to imagine that there is a colder strategic calculus to this as well - preemptively stimulate the defense industries of Australia, India, the Phillipines, etc after seeing the failings of Europe to scale up these past few years. If push really comes to shove, the US can likely scale up its own production, but other nations struggle with lethargic bureaucracies and lack of experience. Better to get the ball rolling ahead of time.

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I had proposed 2 years ago to have the US and Europe leverage India's cheap labor costs for bulk production of entire systems in India. They can keep core production at home, and transfer labor intensive activities to India, like Apple does. Especially so with ground vehicles. Ammo goes without saying.

An entire generational cycle can be completed in India with cost savings of 30-50%.
 
I doubt India is a big part of this. Our involvement, if any, would probably be limited to ammo, maybe grenades/explosives, maybe med-packs & other consumables. We have seen 155mm ammo orders from the US to indirectly supply Ukraine. The new 155mm production lines were in the works before the Ukraine war started. They were being set up because IA made the 155mm as the standard artillery ammo.

Let's say in the future, US Army adopts 6.5x43 mm as the standard issue rifle round while IA continues with their usual circus. I don't think there would be any 6.5mm ammo production lines setting up in India even with American funding. Unless IA adopts that caliber as the standard new production lines won't be economically viable.

Take the case of the M982 Excalibur GPS guided artillery round. IA has bought quite a few of them & they seem to like these rounds too. But they are expensive. Our solution to the price problem isn't to set up a production line of the M982 in India but to make our own version of that weapon. We now have a project for making NavIC guided artillery shells.

The point I am trying to make is our military don't always see eye-to-eye with the US military on weapons, ammo & tactics. Even when they do, we prefer to make our own weapons than to set up production line of the American weapon. Other countries, especially NATO countries, cannot readily adopt our weapons. Can't use NavIC guided shells in Europe, can you? Then of course there is the Russia factor in all this.

There is no need for Indian forces to use foreign weapons and ammo to make production viable. The only questions are the cost of production at the required quality and the size of the global market, not the Indian market. If 20 countries including the US want 6.5x43, then the Indian market is irrelevant. 'Cause the only options are to make the same number in the US at a higher cost or make it in India at a lower cost. So that becomes a no-brainer. Only politics and strategic considerations become the hurdle.

A made in India HIMARS will naturally be cheaper even though the IA operates the Pinaka.
 
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