US - Israel - Iran War

LX1111 said:
So, what do you think the final speed of this thing in India would be? If you think it's over ten Mach, I can tell you for sure that this configuration simply can't achieve that speed. If you think it's between 2 and 4 Mach, then I agree with your view.
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Ah my 50 cent comrade.....i see you're still speed watching missiles like it's a Formula 1 race lol......“Is it Mach 10 ? Mach 2 ? Can I clap now ?”....... Buddy, the BM-04 doesn’t need to break the sound barrier 10 times just to feel validated & that to by chongs ........ It just needs to show up, deploy its spicy little fins, and start dancing circles around your mighty HQ-19 like it’s doing Bharatanatyam on your missile grid 🙂...... So whether it comes in at Mach 10,6 or 4, or Mach “oh no,” the only number that’ll matter is how many seconds your radar has before it gets wrecked....porkee learned it the hard way 😜...... But you can keep arguing over speed brackets while BM-04 slowly & politely dismantles your airspace like it's rearranging furniture 😌.
 
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Ah my 50 cent comrade.....i see you're still speed watching missiles like it's a Formula 1 race lol......“Is it Mach 10 ? Mach 2 ? Can I clap now ?”....... Buddy, the BM-04 doesn’t need to break the sound barrier 10 times just to feel validated & that to by chongs ........ It just needs to show up, deploy its spicy little fins, and start dancing circles around your mighty HQ-19 like it’s doing Bharatanatyam on your missile grid 🙂...... So whether it comes in at Mach 10,6 or 4, or Mach “oh no,” the only number that’ll matter is how many seconds your radar has before it gets wrecked....porkee learned it the hard way 😜...... But you can keep arguing over speed brackets while BM-04 slowly & politely dismantles your airspace like it's rearranging furniture 😌.
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When your sexy missile wings are deployed. Your missile will start to decelerate rapidly. The difficulty of interception will also drop sharply.
.However, when India was posing such a threat to China, did it not realize that China's missile technology was far superior to India'sMoreover, the HQ19 is comparable to the THAAD ER missile and has the ability to intercept hypersonic glide missiles. Not to mention India's primitive and crude missiles..
 
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South block said:
Ah my 50 cent comrade.....i see you're still speed watching missiles like it's a Formula 1 race lol......“Is it Mach 10 ? Mach 2 ? Can I clap now ?”....... Buddy, the BM-04 doesn’t need to break the sound barrier 10 times just to feel validated & that to by chongs ........ It just needs to show up, deploy its spicy little fins, and start dancing circles around your mighty HQ-19 like it’s doing Bharatanatyam on your missile grid 🙂...... So whether it comes in at Mach 10,6 or 4, or Mach “oh no,” the only number that’ll matter is how many seconds your radar has before it gets wrecked....porkee learned it the hard way 😜...... But you can keep arguing over speed brackets while BM-04 slowly & politely dismantles your airspace like it's rearranging furniture 😌.
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It's pointless talking with him he doesn't understand fins being outside oblique shockwave are intentional. Those fins are designed to handle such shockwave and heat. He is putting too much emphasis on shockwave. It won't decelerate as quickly as he thinks for such a short range. Man thinks just because the design isn't copy paste of so called superior chinese design it must be inferior.
 
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LX1111 said:
When your sexy missile wings are deployed. Your missile will start to decelerate rapidly. The difficulty of interception will also drop sharply.
.However, when India was posing such a threat to China, did it not realize that China's missile technology was far superior to India'sMoreover, the HQ19 is comparable to the THAAD ER missile and has the ability to intercept hypersonic glide missiles. Not to mention India's primitive and crude missiles..
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Your Hoe Qock 19 won't even be able to intercept Pralays or Prithvis from 1980s let alone LrASHM BM04 Agnis or Dhvani. Lol. As for Indian missiles being crude, I hope everyone in PLA think Indian missiles are crude it makes our jobs much easier 😂. It took barely 10-15 crude missiles to bring your ally to its knees in a few hours, do you think China has the courage to face 100-150 even? 😂
 
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LX1111 said:
When your sexy missile wings are deployed. Your missile will start to decelerate rapidly. The difficulty of interception will also drop sharply.
.However, when India was posing such a threat to China, did it not realize that China's missile technology was far superior to India'sMoreover, the HQ19 is comparable to the THAAD ER missile and has the ability to intercept hypersonic glide missiles. Not to mention India's primitive and crude missiles..
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“Primitive and Crude” — At this point, this user is nothing but a troll. Let’s not get into a di*k measuring contest with him here, we are driving the thread way off topic.
 
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LX1111 said:
Physics will not change because of the extreme extreme populism in India. Just like the india fighter jets that were praised for over a decade were easily shot down by the PL-15. This world is ultimately objective. War will strip away the masks of everyone.
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Your arguments against BM04 is flawed and you can't even use the same arguments against Dhvani or LRHASM so you resort to such desperate statements 🤣. I had asked you a question whether your HQ series can defend against 300-600 incoming warheads with decoys, you deflected. And now we are supposed to believe Hoe Qock can defeat HGV 🤣.
 
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“Primitive and Crude” — At this point, this user is nothing but a troll. Let’s not get into a di*k measuring contest with him here, we are driving the thread way off topic.
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Hes not a troll. He's an example of the typical people in dictatorships whether it be China or as we see Iran. Believing they are infallible and superior due to "courage" or "superior weapons" than their enemy, so of course they will crush their enemy. China is supreme superior to even the west so of course they are superior than India. When B21 raiders fly over Chinese cities and start bombing their civilians then Chinese will learn their lessons similar to how now F35s and F15s are teaching Iranians their lessons.
 
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randomradio said:
I have no clue how air forces can be this level of stupid
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cost of owning & maintaining defensive systems is high. For the same cost they can put money elsewhere for offensive postures , invest in proxies, BM's which can put up a show, which give immediate gratification & results.

Its not Iran , most of the countries would fall into the same category even european ones. But all those countries are located far away and can afford to go bomb countries & get away with it. Moral of the story , if you plan to fight a war in your region better have defensive layers or risk more damage.
 
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Deans_50 said:
I used to work in Iran 20+ years ago, when the relationship with the West was better. I got to interact with senior Iranian officials.
There are two structural problems with the Iranian armed forces.

The country is ruled by unelected clerics. The elected President has little power, particularly on foreign policy. The clerics are ideologically
guided and not bothered about the common man - enforcing a hijab ban is more important than negotiating an end to sanctions. They
supported Hamas when most of the Sunni world did not bother.
The clerics tend to make brash statements and make threats they cannot carry out. They don't understand the military, but don't want to listen
to feedback, so my sense is the generals tell them what they want to hear.

The armed forces is divided between the regular armed forces, the Revolutionary guards and the Basij (unskilled volunteers).
The best resources go to the IRGC, who are ideologically motivated but not as professional as the army. If an army general says something is not possible, but a IRGC officer says it is, he will get resources for what is in reality an expensive and ineffective system.

They don't learn from failure. The Houthi missile and drone attacks against ships, has been a disaster. Missiles fired at defenceless merchant
ships with little room to move, have not sunk a single ship. Hezbollah's thousands of rockets and drones also caused negligible damage. I wonder if anyone told the Supreme leader that the Houthis and Hezbollah failed - or if a 85 y.o is capable of understanding.
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The Iranian military capabilities are not as bad as it's made out to be. Just that their focus on self-reliance is far too deficient when facing the most advanced capabilities humanity has to offer.

As for Houthis and Hezbollah, the goal is to raise costs, not destroy. The Houthis changed shipping routes and Hezbollah maintained their relevance with rocket attacks, plus managed to displace tens of thousands of Israelis in the process. They have both been far more effective than Kashmiri terrorism in the last 20 years, and the Pakistanis still haven't stopped it even knowing it's been ineffective.
 
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randomradio said:
Okay, assume it's mach 7 then. Mach 10 puts it in the same category as Agni I though.
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Our chinese friend overestimate the impact of the oblique shockwave on those fins and deceleration thanks to it. It isn't gonna be as rapid as he claims. It will decelerate but way more gradually and slowly. And so the speed is going to stay in between mach 6-8 at such a short range. That speed with high maneuverability is enough to get past any modern AD.
 
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Not a good ration at all

Iran has fired some 200 ballistic missiles at Israel in several barrages since last night, according to the IDF.Most of the missiles were intercepted by air defenses. The military says that around 25%, less than 50, were not intercepted "according to protocol," allowing them to strike open areas without causing damage to any critical infrastructure.A "small number" of missiles made it through air defenses, the IDF says, and caused casualties and damage, including in residential areas in Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, and Rishon Lezion in central Israel.Three Israelis were killed and some 70 were wounded in the missile impacts.The military says that all of its bases, including air bases, are operating as usual with no harm to their functionality.Several drones fired at Israel overnight were also shot down by the Israeli Air Force and Navy. This comes after 100 drones fired by Iran on Friday were also intercepted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933807699235348606

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933618141902319628
 
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Innominate said:
Not a good ration at all

Iran has fired some 200 ballistic missiles at Israel in several barrages since last night, according to the IDF.Most of the missiles were intercepted by air defenses. The military says that around 25%, less than 50, were not intercepted "according to protocol," allowing them to strike open areas without causing damage to any critical infrastructure.A "small number" of missiles made it through air defenses, the IDF says, and caused casualties and damage, including in residential areas in Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, and Rishon Lezion in central Israel.Three Israelis were killed and some 70 were wounded in the missile impacts.The military says that all of its bases, including air bases, are operating as usual with no harm to their functionality.Several drones fired at Israel overnight were also shot down by the Israeli Air Force and Navy. This comes after 100 drones fired by Iran on Friday were also intercepted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933807699235348606

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933618141902319628
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I mean to be expected. With such a number any AD will suffer, still the Israeli AD did an impressive job.
 
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jetray said:
cost of owning & maintaining defensive systems is high. For the same cost they can put money elsewhere for offensive postures , invest in proxies, BM's which can put up a show, which give immediate gratification & results.

Its not Iran , most of the countries would fall into the same category even european ones. But all those countries are located far away and can afford to go bomb countries & get away with it. Moral of the story , if you plan to fight a war in your region better have defensive layers or risk more damage.
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They lost the plot due to decades of neglect. They had the money to upgrade their air force 2 decades ago, but were too egoistic to do it.

This article explains your argument pretty well.
www.forbes.com

Decades Of Military Neglect Made Israel’s Deadly Iran Strikes Possible

The beleaguered state of Iran’s conventional armed forces and its lack of preparedness in the face of these deadly strikes shouldn’t surprise anyone.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
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