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If what you mean is that this missile from India is similar to the C-HGB used in the US's LRHW
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I believe that C-HGB is a bipyramid structure variant of MaRV.
It is no different from China's DF26 missiles.
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However, this missile from India clearly lacks the bipyramid design. Instead, it mainly relies on four wing panels to provide lift.

This is a conical design, it's less capable than the BM-04 in terms of maneuverability.

LRHW has been designed for higher speed and lesser maneuverability. Mach 17 vs mach 10+. Those large fins allow greater maneuverability.

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It's a modification of a MaRV. They added fixed fins so it can glide.
 
I used to work in Iran 20+ years ago, when the relationship with the West was better. I got to interact with senior Iranian officials.
There are two structural problems with the Iranian armed forces.

The country is ruled by unelected clerics. The elected President has little power, particularly on foreign policy. The clerics are ideologically
guided and not bothered about the common man - enforcing a hijab ban is more important than negotiating an end to sanctions. They
supported Hamas when most of the Sunni world did not bother.
The clerics tend to make brash statements and make threats they cannot carry out. They don't understand the military, but don't want to listen
to feedback, so my sense is the generals tell them what they want to hear.

The armed forces is divided between the regular armed forces, the Revolutionary guards and the Basij (unskilled volunteers).
The best resources go to the IRGC, who are ideologically motivated but not as professional as the army. If an army general says something is not possible, but a IRGC officer says it is, he will get resources for what is in reality an expensive and ineffective system.

They don't learn from failure. The Houthi missile and drone attacks against ships, has been a disaster. Missiles fired at defenceless merchant
ships with little room to move, have not sunk a single ship. Hezbollah's thousands of rockets and drones also caused negligible damage. I wonder if anyone told the Supreme leader that the Houthis and Hezbollah failed - or if a 85 y.o is capable of understanding.
 
The country is ruled by unelected clerics. The clerics are ideologically guided and not bothered about the common man - enforcing a hijab ban
is more important than negotiating an end to sanctions. They supported Hamas when most of the Sunni world did not bother.
The clerics tend to make brash statements and make threats they cannot carry out. They don't understand the military, but don't want to listen
to feedback, so my sense is the generals tell them what they want to hear.
Typo - I meant enforcing compulsory hijab.
For twenty years the supreme leader has been talking about crushing Zionists, raising red flags of revenge etc, while their capability kept declining.
 
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This is a conical design, it's less capable than the BM-04 in terms of maneuverability.

LRHW has been designed for higher speed and lesser maneuverability. Mach 17 vs mach 10+. Those large fins allow greater maneuverability.

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It's a modification of a MaRV. They added fixed fins so it can glide.
I don't think this thing designed by India can reach 10 Mach speeds.You simply can't handle such a huge shock resistance. The Indian authorities haven't claimed that this thing can reach ten Mach speeds.
 
Let’s be technically precise here...... The assumption that the Indian design is somehow inferior or “non-mainstream” simply because it employs deployable aerodynamic surfaces reveals yours superficial grasp of hypersonic terminal vehicle dynamics...... What you're calling a limitation is in fact a deliberate aerodynamic decoupling strategy , leveraging increased lift via high aspect-ratio control surfaces to enable significant off-axis cross-range maneuver, a well-established principle in HGV kinematics......... Yes, there's a drag penalty due to increased wave drag post-deployment, particularly across Mach 3–5 regimes... ... But this is a managed trade-space......the deceleration profile is factored into the guidance law and trajectory shaping algorithms to exploit altitude for control authority while remaining within thermal and structural margins.......increase in lift-to-drag ratio (L/D) during this phase directly enhances the ability to defeat predictive intercept paths of systems like the PAC-3 MSE and your mighty HQ-9B , HQ 19 etc... which rely heavily on extrapolated kinematics and fixed engagement cones...........So no sweety......this isn’t about "doing the best with limited tech"........ It’s about leveraging known atmospheric reentry mechanics & guidance constraints on interceptor systems....... If anything, it shows an understanding of how to exploit the weaknesses in endo-atmospheric interception windows........Calling this non-standard just because it doesn't mimic a boost-glide wedge body is reductive and technically inaccurate regards.
Hypersonic weapons require that the aircraft fly below the Kármán line and be capable of controlled flight at speeds of more than five Mach.
Can this weapon from India reach five Mach speeds? It might reach a maximum speed of over five Mach at the moment when the warhead separates from the booster. But after that, the deceleration of the warhead will be very rapid.
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The four large wings can increase the lift-to-drag ratio of the missile. However, the resistance they generate is also not to be ignored.
 
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Hypersonic weapons require that the aircraft fly below the Kármán line and be capable of controlled flight at speeds of more than five Mach.
Can this weapon from India reach five Mach speeds? It might reach a maximum speed of over five Mach at the moment when the warhead separates from the booster. But after that, the deceleration of the warhead will be very rapid.
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The four large wings can increase the lift-to-drag ratio of the missile. However, the resistance they generate is also not to be ignored.
Dear comrade if you want speed LRHASM will deliver it for you, it can sustain speeds up to mach 10. Good luck to HQ19 to intercept it 👍.
 
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Israeli aviation showed footage of the destruction of the Iranian Tor-M1 air defense system, presumably by the Israeli Delilah-AL cruise missile. The Tor-M1 air defense system is produced in Russia. Judging by the video, the Tor-M1 air defense system was inactive or was abandoned by the crew. It is worth noting that the work of the Iranian air defense system is currently disorganized. The Delilah missile was adopted by Israel in the mid-1980s, the missile has a range of up to 250 km, when launched from a low altitude, the mass of the warhead is up to 30 kg.

 
Current IAF F-35's are standard F-35A's. The only upgrade is being able to drop their nuke bomb and that's it. Israeli systems won't be upgraded for another year or two. Their EW upgrade is in POD form.
The same F-35s that fled from sandal-wielding Houthis?

You're missing the point, the Israelian Adir variant, is the one which is not restricted or subject to employment restrictions by the Americans, unlike military aircrafts sold to other countries. This is stated [thediplomat, 11.03.25] by a Pakistani ambassador in Washington. At the question by the journalist: Following Modi’s visit and the offer of F-35s to India, Trump approved a $397 million package for Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jet fleet. It appears that the U.S. is not favoring India over Pakistan but is back to its old game of arming both sides against each other. Your comments?

He answered [excerpt]: (...) Like India, Pakistan also has reservations about strict U.S. restrictions on use of its military equipment in conflict. (...)

Unlike Israel.
 
I don't think this thing designed by India can reach 10 Mach speeds.You simply can't handle such a huge shock resistance. The Indian authorities haven't claimed that this thing can reach ten Mach speeds.
Ah, the old “India can’t do Mach 10 because they didn’t publicly say so” argument always a crowd favorite in technically shallow takes by chinese & Pork-e.............Let’s start with some basic physics........ A maneuverable reentry vehicle like the BM-04 MaRV "can’t reach Mach 10" because “India hasn’t claimed it” or due to “shock resistance limitations” shows a fundamental misunderstanding on your part which is no surprise of both reentry vehicle thermodynamics and solid motor SRBM kinematics. A ballistic missile with a depressed trajectory and high burn-out velocity can easily deliver a MaRV into Mach 7–10 regimes during the reentry phase..... There’s ample precedent.......the Iskander-M, and even the older Pershing II demonstrated similar performance envelopes decades ago............ BM-04’s body proportions and nose shaping indicate a similar class....short-burn, high-thrust solid motor with a maneuverable post-boost vehicle.

As for “India can’t handle shock resistance”....... you mean the same India that’s fielded Agni-series RVs with blunt-body nose cones surviving reentry at Mach 12+, conducted multiple hypersonic wind tunnel tests, and flight-tested the HSTDV at Mach 6 with onboard thermal management and scramjet ignition? Right. I'm sure they just forgot how to apply those same TPS and high-enthalpy flow models to a smaller MaRV with a short terminal glide.

Now let’s talk about those fins. They’re not random sheet metal slapped on a cone ........ they’re aerodynamically contoured, canted control surfaces optimized for lift vectoring and cross-range maneuver in the terminal phase.......... This is a design logic shared with missiles, which use aerodynamic MaRVs to complicate fire control solutions and exploit the latency in interceptor guidance loops........Glide isn't a flaw it’s the feature........ The reduction in speed is a deliberate trade to gain maneuverability, reduce intercept predictability, and penetrate layered defense networks.........That’s how you defeat modern ABM systems including your mighty HQ-19 🙂 , not by flying in a straight line at Mach 17 and hoping for the best..............So no BM-04 isn’t “underwhelming” because it doesn’t claim eye-watering Mach numbers.......... It’s technically sound, tactically disruptive, and, most importantly, strategically survivable , regards.
Hypersonic weapons require that the aircraft fly below the Kármán line and be capable of controlled flight at speeds of more than five Mach.
Can this weapon from India reach five Mach speeds? It might reach a maximum speed of over five Mach at the moment when the warhead separates from the booster. But after that, the deceleration of the warhead will be very rapid.
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The four large wings can increase the lift-to-drag ratio of the missile. However, the resistance they generate is also not to be ignored.
Oh dear 🤣....... you’ve bravely waded into hypersonic discourse armed with a Kármán line reference and a shaky grasp of reentry mechanics. Let’s tighten this up before you hurt yourself with another half-baked Mach-number take 🙂

First, your question..... “Can this Indian missile reach Mach 5?” is unintentionally hilarious 😂 .......... A mid-range ballistic system like BM-04, likely lofted to altitudes well above 100 km with a burnout velocity exceeding 2.5–3 km/s, will naturally reenter the atmosphere at Mach 8–10+. That’s not a design miracle........ it’s called physics, and it’s been doing its job since the V-2......... You don’t need a scramjet or a press release to make a conical reentry vehicle go hypersonic. You just need altitude and gravity which, last time I checked, India still has.... Probably missing in in eternal kingdom 😌😏........Now, your claim about “rapid deceleration” after booster separation shows a tragic misunderstanding of what this system is trying to do.......Yes, it slows down but intentionally..........It’s called a controlled energy bleed to trade velocity for lift generation, maneuver envelope, and lateral displacement......... Those fixed fins on BM-04 aren’t aesthetic, they’re designed to increase L/D ratio during the terminal glide window, allowing it to veer off-course and screw with interceptors locked onto its pre-glide trajectory........This isn’t a bug......it’s the whole point.......You can’t “predict-kill” what doesn’t stay on a ballistic arc......Systems like HQ-19 rely on extrapolated kinematic tracking........Once you throw in non-linear gliding motion, those nice neat intercept boxes fall apart.......That’s why this missile doesn’t need to hold Mach 10 , it just needs to maneuver unpredictably at Mach 6–8, right when your radar thinks it’s coasting to impact & no, the absence of a press release claiming “Mach 12” doesn’t mean it can’t do it.......That’s not how physics or credible programs work.........So maybe instead of rewriting aerospace doctrine based on vibes and brochure envy..... try looking at the actual design logic.... this is a manoeuvring reentry vehicle for God sake.

Bottom line? The BM-04 doesn’t need to flex Mach 12 on a brochure or scream through the stratosphere to prove it’s hypersonic...... It just needs to hit Mach 8, pop out those fins, pull a few lateral Gs, and make your precious HQ-19 miss like it's swatting flies in the dark.

So before you try redefining hypersonics with your Sino & that pedo forum takes......maybe take a moment… light a candle… and say a small prayer for the interceptor because by the time it figures out where BM-04 actually is, it’s already too late 😜.
 
Ah, the old “India can’t do Mach 10 because they didn’t publicly say so” argument always a crowd favorite in technically shallow takes by chinese & Pork-e.............Let’s start with some basic physics........ A maneuverable reentry vehicle like the BM-04 MaRV "can’t reach Mach 10" because “India hasn’t claimed it” or due to “shock resistance limitations” shows a fundamental misunderstanding on your part which is no surprise of both reentry vehicle thermodynamics and solid motor SRBM kinematics. A ballistic missile with a depressed trajectory and high burn-out velocity can easily deliver a MaRV into Mach 7–10 regimes during the reentry phase..... There’s ample precedent.......the Iskander-M, and even the older Pershing II demonstrated similar performance envelopes decades ago............ BM-04’s body proportions and nose shaping indicate a similar class....short-burn, high-thrust solid motor with a maneuverable post-boost vehicle.

As for “India can’t handle shock resistance”....... you mean the same India that’s fielded Agni-series RVs with blunt-body nose cones surviving reentry at Mach 12+, conducted multiple hypersonic wind tunnel tests, and flight-tested the HSTDV at Mach 6 with onboard thermal management and scramjet ignition? Right. I'm sure they just forgot how to apply those same TPS and high-enthalpy flow models to a smaller MaRV with a short terminal glide.

Now let’s talk about those fins. They’re not random sheet metal slapped on a cone ........ they’re aerodynamically contoured, canted control surfaces optimized for lift vectoring and cross-range maneuver in the terminal phase.......... This is a design logic shared with missiles, which use aerodynamic MaRVs to complicate fire control solutions and exploit the latency in interceptor guidance loops........Glide isn't a flaw it’s the feature........ The reduction in speed is a deliberate trade to gain maneuverability, reduce intercept predictability, and penetrate layered defense networks.........That’s how you defeat modern ABM systems including your mighty HQ-19 🙂 , not by flying in a straight line at Mach 17 and hoping for the best..............So no BM-04 isn’t “underwhelming” because it doesn’t claim eye-watering Mach numbers.......... It’s technically sound, tactically disruptive, and, most importantly, strategically survivable , regards.

Oh dear 🤣....... you’ve bravely waded into hypersonic discourse armed with a Kármán line reference and a shaky grasp of reentry mechanics. Let’s tighten this up before you hurt yourself with another half-baked Mach-number take 🙂

First, your question..... “Can this Indian missile reach Mach 5?” is unintentionally hilarious 😂 .......... A mid-range ballistic system like BM-04, likely lofted to altitudes well above 100 km with a burnout velocity exceeding 2.5–3 km/s, will naturally reenter the atmosphere at Mach 8–10+. That’s not a design miracle........ it’s called physics, and it’s been doing its job since the V-2......... You don’t need a scramjet or a press release to make a conical reentry vehicle go hypersonic. You just need altitude and gravity which, last time I checked, India still has.... Probably missing in in eternal kingdom 😌😏........Now, your claim about “rapid deceleration” after booster separation shows a tragic misunderstanding of what this system is trying to do.......Yes, it slows down but intentionally..........It’s called a controlled energy bleed to trade velocity for lift generation, maneuver envelope, and lateral displacement......... Those fixed fins on BM-04 aren’t aesthetic, they’re designed to increase L/D ratio during the terminal glide window, allowing it to veer off-course and screw with interceptors locked onto its pre-glide trajectory........This isn’t a bug......it’s the whole point.......You can’t “predict-kill” what doesn’t stay on a ballistic arc......Systems like HQ-19 rely on extrapolated kinematic tracking........Once you throw in non-linear gliding motion, those nice neat intercept boxes fall apart.......That’s why this missile doesn’t need to hold Mach 10 , it just needs to maneuver unpredictably at Mach 6–8, right when your radar thinks it’s coasting to impact & no, the absence of a press release claiming “Mach 12” doesn’t mean it can’t do it.......That’s not how physics or credible programs work.........So maybe instead of rewriting aerospace doctrine based on vibes and brochure envy..... try looking at the actual design logic.... this is a manoeuvring reentry vehicle for God sake.

Bottom line? The BM-04 doesn’t need to flex Mach 12 on a brochure or scream through the stratosphere to prove it’s hypersonic...... It just needs to hit Mach 8, pop out those fins, pull a few lateral Gs, and make your precious HQ-19 miss like it's swatting flies in the dark.

So before you try redefining hypersonics with your Sino & that pedo forum takes......maybe take a moment… light a candle… and say a small prayer for the interceptor because by the time it figures out where BM-04 actually is, it’s already too late 😜.
If our dear comrade @LX1111 from the so called land of middle kingdom wants to see both speed and maneuverability then this pic speaks for itself. IMG_20250614_202032.png
 
Ah, the old “India can’t do Mach 10 because they didn’t publicly say so” argument always a crowd favorite in technically shallow takes by chinese & Pork-e.............Let’s start with some basic physics........ A maneuverable reentry vehicle like the BM-04 MaRV "can’t reach Mach 10" because “India hasn’t claimed it” or due to “shock resistance limitations” shows a fundamental misunderstandingon your part which is no surprise of both reentry vehicle thermodynamics and solid motor SRBM kinematics. A ballistic missile with a depressed trajectory and high burn-out velocity can easily deliver a MaRV into Mach 7–10 regimes during the reentry phase..... There’s ample precedent.......the Iskander-M, and even the older Pershing II demonstrated similar performance envelopes decades ago............ BM-04’s body proportions and nose shaping indicate a similar class....short-burn, high-thrust solid motor with a maneuverable post-boost vehicle.

As for “India can’t handle shock resistance”....... you mean the same India that’s fielded Agni-series RVs with blunt-body nose cones surviving reentry at Mach 12+, conducted multiple hypersonic wind tunnel tests, and flight-tested the HSTDV at Mach 6 with onboard thermal management and scramjet ignition? Right. I'm sure they just forgot how to apply those same TPS and high-enthalpy flow models to a smaller MaRV with a short terminal glide.

Now let’s talk about those fins. They’re not random sheet metal slapped on a cone ........ they’re aerodynamically contoured, canted control surfaces optimized for lift vectoring and cross-range maneuver in the terminal phase.......... This is a design logic shared with missiles, which use aerodynamic MaRVs to complicate fire control solutions and exploit the latency in interceptor guidance loops........Glide isn't a flaw it’s the feature........ The reduction in speed is a deliberate trade to gain maneuverability, reduce intercept predictability, and penetrate layered defense networks.........That’s how you defeat modern ABM systems including your mighty HQ-19 🙂 , not by flying in a straight line at Mach 17 and hoping for the best..............So no BM-04 isn’t “underwhelming” because it doesn’t claim eye-watering Mach numbers.......... It’s technically sound, tactically disruptive, and, most importantly, strategically survivable , regards.

Oh dear 🤣....... you’ve bravely waded into hypersonic discourse armed with a Kármán line reference and a shaky grasp of reentry mechanics. Let’s tighten this up before you hurt yourself with another half-baked Mach-number take 🙂

First, your question..... “Can this Indian missile reach Mach 5?” is unintentionally hilarious 😂 .......... A mid-range ballistic system like BM-04, likely lofted to altitudes well above 100 km with a burnout velocity exceeding 2.5–3 km/s, will naturally reenter the atmosphere at Mach 8–10+. That’s not a design miracle........ it’s called physics, and it’s been doing its job since the V-2......... You don’t need a scramjet or a press release to make a conical reentry vehicle go hypersonic. You just need altitude and gravity which, last time I checked, India still has.... Probably missing in in eternal kingdom 😌😏........Now, your claim about “rapid deceleration” after booster separation shows a tragic misunderstanding of what this system is trying to do.......Yes, it slows down but intentionally..........It’s called a controlled energy bleed to trade velocity for lift generation, maneuver envelope, and lateral displacement......... Those fixed fins on BM-04 aren’t aesthetic, they’re designed to increase L/D ratio during the terminal glide window, allowing it to veer off-course and screw with interceptors locked onto its pre-glide trajectory........This isn’t a bug......it’s the whole point.......You can’t “predict-kill” what doesn’t stay on a ballistic arc......Systems like HQ-19 rely on extrapolated kinematic tracking........Once you throw in non-linear gliding motion, those nice neat intercept boxes fall apart.......That’s why this missile doesn’t need to hold Mach 10 , it just needs to maneuver unpredictably at Mach 6–8, right when your radar thinks it’s coasting to impact & no, the absence of a press release claiming “Mach 12” doesn’t mean it can’t do it.......That’s not how physics or credible programs work.........So maybe instead of rewriting aerospace doctrine based on vibes and brochure envy..... try looking at the actual design logic.... this is a manoeuvring reentry vehicle for God sake.

Bottom line? The BM-04 doesn’t need to flex Mach 12 on a brochure or scream through the stratosphere to prove it’s hypersonic...... It just needs to hit Mach 8, pop out those fins, pull a few lateral Gs, and make your precious HQ-19 miss like it's swatting flies in the dark.

So before you try redefining hypersonics with your Sino & that pedo forum takes......maybe take a moment… light a candle… and say a small prayer for the interceptor because by the time it figures out where BM-04 actually is, it’s already too late 😜.
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I think you lack a basic understanding of a physical concept, the oblique shock wave. If you read any popular science article about supersonic flight, you will find out what I'm talking about. During supersonic flight, in order to reduce drag, it is usually necessary to hide all the wings and control surfaces within the oblique shock wave.
However, the Indians chose to install huge wings outside the shock wave, and this is where the problem lies.
 
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If our dear comrade @LX1111 from the so called land of middle kingdom wants to see both speed and maneuverability then this pic speaks for itself. View attachment 44444
He is a paid bot on a suicide mission.... going to get banned again.
Physics will not change because of the extreme extreme populism in India. Just like the india fighter jets that were praised for over a decade were easily shot down by the PL-15. This world is ultimately objective. War will strip away the masks of everyone.
 
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I think you lack a basic understanding of a physical concept, the oblique shock wave. If you read any popular science article about supersonic flight, you will find out what I'm talking about. During supersonic flight, in order to reduce drag, it is usually necessary to hide all the wings and control surfaces within the oblique shock wave.
However, the Indians chose to install huge wings outside the shock wave, and this is where the problem lies.
Ah yes, the sacred Chinese scripture of "everything must be inside the oblique shock wave" 😂....... often cited by people who just discovered schlieren photography on Zhihu and suddenly think they're Theoretical Aero Gurus of the East...... Let’s unpack your concern 50 cent bot......... “the wings are outside the oblique shock wave” & somehow this is a devastating design flaw....... Bless your heart, comrade. .......What you’ve done is confuse supersonic cruise optimization with terminal-phase maneuver design......two very different aerodynamic regimes.......That image you posted.....Lovely, Very Lovely 🙂 “NASA wind tunnel 1970s chic.” But you do realize the vehicle in question isn’t trying to dodge interception at Mach 20, right 🤔?.......It’s just trying not to melt on reentry.

Meanwhile, the BM-04’s deployable fins aren’t there to break the drag coefficient sound barrier........ They’re deployed after the peak Mach window, during terminal descent, where control authority, not drag minimization, is king.........That’s the part where your interceptors start sobbing into their seeker heads & before you say “but but... drag,” remember........ wave drag isn’t the boogeyman when the goal is to outmaneuver endo-atmospheric interceptors operating on rigid guidance envelopes.........This isn't about hugging oblique shock cones for social media aesthetics......it’s about survivability under fire. You don’t evade modern ABM systems by being sleek......you do it by being unpredictable 🙃.......So yes, the wings are outside the shock wave....... Because unlike your takes, they weren’t designed to look sleek in your Zhihu diagrams… they were designed to survive, swerve, and smack your AD systems like HQ-19 so hard they file for early retirement 😜.

Now go ahead, post another wind tunnel diagram from the Cold War archives......
We'll wait....inside your radar blind spot 😌.
Physics will not change because of the extreme extreme populism in India. Just like the india fighter jets that were praised for over a decade were easily shot down by the PL-15. This world is ultimately objective. War will strip away the masks of everyone.

Ah yes 50 cent comrade.... when cornered by aerodynamics.....just pivot to mystical “objectivity” and sprinkle in a PL-15 fairy tale. Classic move 🤣
 
Ah yes, the sacred Chinese scripture of "everything must be inside the oblique shock wave" 😂....... often cited by people who just discovered schlieren photography on Zhihu and suddenly think they're Theoretical Aero Gurus of the East...... Let’s unpack your concern 50 cent bot......... “the wings are outside the oblique shock wave” & somehow this is a devastating design flaw....... Bless your heart, comrade. .......What you’ve done is confuse supersonic cruise optimization with terminal-phase maneuver design......two very different aerodynamic regimes.......That image you posted.....Lovely, Very Lovely 🙂 “NASA wind tunnel 1970s chic.” But you do realize the vehicle in question isn’t trying to dodge interception at Mach 20, right 🤔?.......It’s just trying not to melt on reentry.

Meanwhile, the BM-04’s deployable fins aren’t there to break the drag coefficient sound barrier........ They’re deployed after the peak Mach window, during terminal descent, where control authority, not drag minimization, is king.........That’s the part where your interceptors start sobbing into their seeker heads & before you say “but but... drag,” remember........ wave drag isn’t the boogeyman when the goal is to outmaneuver endo-atmospheric interceptors operating on rigid guidance envelopes.........This isn't about hugging oblique shock cones for social media aesthetics......it’s about survivability under fire. You don’t evade modern ABM systems by being sleek......you do it by being unpredictable 🙃.......So yes, the wings are outside the shock wave....... Because unlike your takes, they weren’t designed to look sleek in your Zhihu diagrams… they were designed to survive, swerve, and smack your AD systems like HQ-19 so hard they file for early retirement 😜.

Now go ahead, post another wind tunnel diagram from the Cold War archives......
We'll wait....inside your radar blind spot 😌.


Ah yes 50 cent comrade.... when cornered by aerodynamics.....just pivot to mystical “objectivity” and sprinkle in a PL-15 fairy tale. Classic move 🤣
So, what do you think the final speed of this thing in India would be? If you think it's over ten Mach, I can tell you for sure that this configuration simply can't achieve that speed. If you think it's between 2 and 4 Mach, then I agree with your view.
 
So, what do you think the final speed of this thing in India would be? If you think it's over ten Mach, I can tell you for sure that this configuration simply can't achieve that speed. If you think it's between 2 and 4 Mach, then I agree with your view.
This thread is regarding US Iran conflict. Why do you always derail every thread?