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China can make everything which we make and much much much more. Why do they buy S-400? It is because of capabilities that system brings. Remember, making a better seeker for an Anti-Ship missile does not mean you can make a better SAM. Having mastery in one aspect does not always automatically translate into mastery in another.Better seeker than Russians? Hmmm. So why buy the S-400 system. You can make big rockets and have better seeker tech than the Russians allegedly, so why buy it?
Powered by GE's F404 engine? That's because we make indigenous engines. So basically your very poor indigenous aircraft is not even indigenous. HLVs but no indigenous jet engine for Tejas? Something does not compute there. Space flight happened 30 years after jet engines for most people. Very suspect.
Because they copy everything too obviously.
If you can make better rockets than the Russians and better seekers, you should be able to make better SAMs. As I say, something does not compute with assertions made in this thread.
Or are you suggesting that sometimes people buy things in even when they could do them themselves, which then defeats your arguments against the British space program?
China had HLVs since early 2001 or so. Their Jet Engines are now only becoming mature. How does that work?Powered by GE's F404 engine? That's because we make indigenous engines. So basically your very poor indigenous aircraft is not even indigenous. HLVs but no indigenous jet engine for Tejas? Something does not compute there. Space flight happened 30 years after jet engines for most people. Very suspect.
Again, mastery in one technology does not translate into mastery in another automatically. It does not compute because you have still not learnt the Green Lumber Fallacy. How trading in green lumber in commodity market successfully does not even mean that you know what green lumber is. This is a classical case of ignorance.
Because they copied everything too, that's why there is an illogical mismatch in the development sequence. For 100% indigenous development, space flight comes after jet engines. US, USSR, France, UK, Japan all indigenous, space flight followed jet-flight. Where it does not, be very suspicious, it is like a baby running the 100m and then saying, "but I cannot walk."
So, Chinese were able to copy Rocket Engine --which should be developed, according to you after Jet Engine-- but they were not able to copy Jet Engines till late 2000s and early 2011. Meanwhile, they had access to almost all the Russian engines. How does that compute? You know Chinese had rocket engine for launching satellites quite early. In 1970, even before you.
Long March 1 - Wikipedia
Also, germans, the pioneers into rocketry, actually tested V-2 the mother of all rockets in 1934. Much earlier than their jet engine and jet plane in 1939.
V-2 rocket - Wikipedia
The upshot is, rocketery and jet engine have no bearing on each other. Soil fuel rockets have historically existed in India even before British came. Jet engine is actually much more recent concept and technology compared to conceptual design of rockets.
BTW, didn't US also copied German V-2 program? And also didn't USSR also copied German V-2 program?
And how does being indigenous matter? How does not copying even matter? What certainly matters is if you have the capability or not. Weren't you all about prudence and not wasting money? How does re-inventing the wheel figures in your logic then?
May I ask are you from engineering background? Because if you were from that, you would not be making such basic mistakes when commenting about technology. If you are not, ask some engineer in person the same question and they will explain you in detail why you are so gravely mistaken.Because they copy everything too obviously.
If you can make better rockets than the Russians and better seekers, you should be able to make better SAMs. As I say, something does not compute with assertions made in this thread.
Or are you suggesting that sometimes people buy things in even when they could do them themselves, which then defeats your arguments against the British space program?
I am very much from an engineering background and have already shown my qualifications on the old forum
Just accept you've been owned M Khan.
Yep, because both were copied not indigenously developed. You can copy anything first.
It became operational only in 1944. The V1 and Me262 were operational before the V2 and of course war shortens the timescales. The 1934 launches were not V-2s, they reached heights of only 2-3km, which made them basically fireworks, not space flight. The Me262 first flew in 1942.
V-2 rocket - Wikipedia
Messerschmitt Me 262 - Wikipedia
V-1 flying bomb - Wikipedia
Nope. We're talking about space flight here, not just rockets. Rockets have been around for centuries. June 1944 was when the first rocket entered space, well after jet flight.
True they did. But clearly what they then did was massively beyond the V-2. The US landed on the moon in 1969 and the USSR landed a probe on Mars in 1970. So India copied something way more advanced in the 1990s.
Because any idiot can copy the answers from the brightest kids in class.
Make up your mind, you want a nation to be run in the 'brightest/most original' fashion or the most pragmatic fashion? Because you seem to be oscillating between both. And many times you cann't be both.
Historically, the brightests are not exactly the most successful. A nation needs to be successful in developing capabilities.
BTW, there is a difference being original and first AND redoing already done work. In this context, UK will be redoing what has been done. Not exactly the brightest approach.
Lastly, didn't US and USSR also copied German effort of Rocketry and Space Flight? Brightest or not, they have been most successful in this field.
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China struggled 'allegedly copying' jet engine for very long while they 'allegedly copied' Rocketry and space flight, something one does after mastering jet engine --according to you-- much earlier. Infact they had a working rocket into space earlier than you did yet they dragged their feet with jet engine technology.
Its quite evident that you don't need to master jet engine technology to become proficient in rocketry and space flight. Because had the former being the case, China would have never been able to master Space flight -- indigenous or by 'copying' -- and rocketery before mastering jet engine technology.
Lastly, I guess you are confusing 'mastering' with 'inventing'. The reason why you are so held up is because you think 'indigenous' effort means inventing. Not necessarily. If Space flight was invented after Jet engine then it does not mean a country will necessarily master Jet engines before rockets. BTW, UK, will not be inventing Space flights but will be mastering or try mastering the same.
Basically, you are inducing dependency in fields which may or may not have dependency. If A comes after B then B does not necessarily depends completely on A. Thats not hard to understand, right?
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You have shown absolutely no understanding of vital concept of scale in engineering.
You have confused inventing with mastering.
You are confusing sequence of events with dependency among them.
I won't be too sure of your understanding of even basic principles of engineering.
Lastly, you don't own any Indian or India. Not anymore after '47. I advise you to come out of this 'colonial' thinking.
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Just because you find things hard, it doesn't mean everyone does.
No Indians were owned, in that sense, before '47 either since 1833.
Depends what they attempted to copy first. The Soviets copied the jet engine in the late '40s.
Nope. With all indigenous efforts, the jet engine comes before space flight. China is probably the worst example you could possibly use for anything 'indigenous'.
Well if you're arguing that the jet engine is harder to master, then space rockets should be easy for the UK because we master jet engines ages ago.
I have no respect for those who copy.
That's what all the thickos say.
There is such thing as copyright and intellectual property, although your part of the world seems too not understand this.
Only in the same way that the Germans copied 13th century Chinese fireworks. A V2 is to a Saturn V what a 13th Century Chinese gunpowder rocket is to a V2. Everything from the propellant, to the gyro, to the guidance and control is completely different. It's a step change.
Britain hasn't tried since around the time the microchip went into operation. You're still using foreign jet engines for your 'indigenous' fighter. Jet engines that we invented 80 years ago. And as I remarked to M Khan, it's very strange that you somehow developed space launch vehicles before jet engines, very strange indeed.Is that the reason Britain finds it hard to have a space program while we are launching missions to mars