Subs are for weak nations,it won't bring you victory
Twin-Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF)
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You think India will fight an offensive war? yeah good luck with that idea.
These carriers are small , range is limited they are not even nuke powered which literally means they will loiter in Indian ocean at the max not far from home base.
Nuke subs with long range missiles will give us more deterrence for the amount we spend on these carriers. Another good thing is that these will be more or less made in India which totally removes any dependence on foreign component. There is a good reason why china has more subs & missiles, they are more bang for buck with lesser complexity.
It should still meet IN requirements though. And it's unknown if Rafale can actually fly to its full range within Stobar constraints with optimum weapons loadout.
Drones will give us the extra range anyway. I'd give the drone advantage to the US.
We need 50+ jets, so that's feasible with a 2023 contract.
After the war, plus CCP forum, more orders may come out of SE Asia, like Malaysia may also choose the SH over the Rafale. They already operate Hornets and even they need commonality with the IN and USN.
The seas are where they are expected to create trouble for us, not just for us but for everyone.
For 2019-20, the IN's capital budget was 23k Cr. Today it's 47k Cr. It's effectively doubled in 3 years. Otoh, IA's has only increased by 3k Cr, but they have brought in greater value via indigenisation, whereas the IAF's has only increased by 16k Cr. So we know where the priority has shifted too. There was a time when the IAF's budget was double that of the IN's. But now, at 57k Cr, there's only a difference of 10k Cr.
I have pointed this out quite a few times already over the years now, that the IAF's budget will slowly stagnate after 2027-30, but the IN's budget will keep growing for another decade or more. So I won't be surprised if the IN's budget surpasses the IAF's within 2025, if not 2030. Hell, it could even happen next year.
What's interesting to note is most of the IN's stuff has mostly already been paid for. Their new destroyers and frigates are almost in the water, so they have a lot of new contracts to sign over the next 2-3 years, not including a further hike in their capital budget.
Anyway, the submarines are of higher priority. We could see both the SSN and SSK contracts signed next year, well before the third carrier.
Why not?
An indigenous deck-based drone is under the planning stage currently. The US is bound to be ahead of both India and France. Especially with their LHDs in operation, which is harder.
The Brits want Stobar drones too, under Project Vixen.
Our carriers can carry 24 fighters. With just 26 being ordered, we can assume 16 will be usable on carriers. So that leaves space worth 8 fighters for the drones. So we could see as many as 8-12 drones on carriers.
Twin engine carrier-based fighter for Navy could be inducted by 2031-32
Clearance by Cabinet Committee on Security is expected mid-2023 and it would take another 1.5-2 years for the prototype, says Project Director
Nothing much.
Just promising timelines.
We all know, timeline is decided only when money gets sanctioned for the project.
CCS will sit on it for a while.
They won't get CCS approval until they complete CDR.Twin engine carrier-based fighter for Navy could be inducted by 2031-32
Clearance by Cabinet Committee on Security is expected mid-2023 and it would take another 1.5-2 years for the prototype, says Project Directorwww.thehindu.com
Nothing much.
Just promising timelines.
We all know, timeline is decided only when money gets sanctioned for the project.
CCS will sit on it for a while.
Starting of the project is after feasibility studies and preliminary designs are done. Which is yet to be done.
Power games: Navy awaits budget for deck-based fighters
Make in IndiaNavy awaits budget for deck-based fighters The Ministry of Defence is likely to clear a budget of over Rs 14,000 crore for the development of four
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Nothing to confirm but few handles claim that PDR is almost complete and CDR is aimed at 2024 end.The Ministry of Defence is likely to clear a budget of over Rs 14,000 crore for the development of four prototypes of the twin-engine deck-based fighters. The design for the naval fighter has been completed by Aeronautical Development Agency under the Department of Defence Research and Development, Government of India. This design will be used by the public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd to produce the prototypes. The Navy has projected a requirement of about 60 aircraft. These naval fighters will be deployed on the recently-inducted INS Vikrant aircraft carrier. Sources said once the budget for the development of the prototypes is cleared, an order will be given to Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd for the development of the prototypes. The single-engine naval LCA developed earlier was not found suitable as its thrust-to-weight ratio was not enough for takeoff with a full load from an aircraft carrier. With this push for Make in India by going in for indigenously developed fighter aircraft, the government is unlikely to place the order to purchase Rafale marine fighter aircraft anytime soon. Talks for purchasing these aircraft have been going on for some time.Power games: Navy awaits budget for deck-based fighters
Make in IndiaNavy awaits budget for deck-based fighters The Ministry of Defence is likely to clear a budget of over Rs 14,000 crore for the development of fourwww.google.com
Take it with a mug of salt atleast.
It will get stuck in CCS just like amca.The Ministry of Defence is likely to clear a budget of over Rs 14,000 crore for the development of four prototypes of the twin-engine deck-based fighters. The design for the naval fighter has been completed by Aeronautical Development Agency under the Department of Defence Research and Development, Government of India. This design will be used by the public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd to produce the prototypes. The Navy has projected a requirement of about 60 aircraft. These naval fighters will be deployed on the recently-inducted INS Vikrant aircraft carrier. Sources said once the budget for the development of the prototypes is cleared, an order will be given to Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd for the development of the prototypes. The single-engine naval LCA developed earlier was not found suitable as its thrust-to-weight ratio was not enough for takeoff with a full load from an aircraft carrier. With this push for Make in India by going in for indigenously developed fighter aircraft, the government is unlikely to place the order to purchase Rafale marine fighter aircraft anytime soon. Talks for purchasing these aircraft have been going on for some time.Power games: Navy awaits budget for deck-based fighters
Make in IndiaNavy awaits budget for deck-based fighters The Ministry of Defence is likely to clear a budget of over Rs 14,000 crore for the development of fourwww.google.com
AMCA isn't stuck. The CDR is taking time. Let's see.
The issue is we need to pump in more resources for RnD so that PDR/CDR is completed quicker.
Rest all other countries clear the funding before CDR only we are following this stupid and outdated approach.
Don't let terms fool you. South Korea funded almost a billion USD each year starting 2010 till 2020 for R&D on fighter jet development. It's that 10 years which is helping them this quick rollout.
For Turks, they get a free pass at technology and engineers from fellow NATO nations. Something we don't.