The striking similarity of some Chinese and Pakistani solid fuel missiles

[Ashwin]

It can not be denied, that the Pakistani solid fuel rockets Ghaznavi and Shaheen-1 are similar to the Chinese DF-11 missile type. On photos is recognizable, that the Chinese DF-11 and DF-11A by set of some solid fuel segments are built. The DF-11 uses two segments.For the DF-11A is a third segment added. For the Pakistani Shaheen-1 is a further half segment added. All rocket types have the same diameter of 0.88 m. The Shaheen-1 have however a striking extended skirt in the nozzle area, because the missile has another control system and a larger nozzle (?).
On photos is clearly recognizable, that also the Chinese DF-15 and DF-15A by set of several short solid fuel segments are built. Four segments uses the DF-15, and the extended DF-15A uses five segments.All rockets have a diameter of ~1.10 m. The DF-15 missile type is obviously not exported.
Unknown are the Chinese rocket variants M-9 and M-18. They are referred as export variants. So is suspected that the Pakistani Shaheen-1 corresponds to the M-9. The M-18 probably corresponds to the Pakistani Shaheen-2. The Chinese M-18 was allegedly shown at the 1987 Beijing air show. Now I have found Photos of the M-18 missile ! (see below).
The Shaheen-2 is totally different to the DF-11 and DF-15 missile types. The diameter is significantly 1.40 m. China Hexi Chemical & Mechanical Company presents solid motors for first stages with the name L-SpaB.Very capable for the Shaheen-2 is L-SpaB-140B with 1.40 m in diameter and a length of 7.15 m. For the second stage is a shorter solid motor SpaB-140 capable. A candidate for the M-18 is the completely unknown DF-25.

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[MS Sandhu]

These missiles are 1980s era designs.Even Ababeel is not that advanced ( a good effort though)
However, SPD has gained a lot of experience in Air vehicles by working on Cruise Missiles, Drones, etc.so a solid Aero-Design expertise there.
Hopefully our next BM designs will be more compact.
But Rocket Motor technology is holding our BM program back.
Now the focus is towards Cruise Missile Engines so Rocket Motor technology will be on back-burner for some more time.

 

[FalconSlayers]

We developed S2 , S3 by our own efforts , Ababeel too , reduced the weight of the Ghauri to make a second version of it , Made the S1A and tested diff versions of it and a RV which was a testbed for the Ababeel RV .

I mean don't you guys find it ironic that you claim to make all sorts of fancy alienware tech on your own yet import trucks for TELs for them from china?



Painting imported stuff green makes the average guy across the border think they are industrially and technologically capable enough to pull this off like the big boys country club, but trust me, you've no idea just how extremely backwards economically, industrially and technologically pakistan is both in terms of capability and scale in front of India. Based on energy consumption, pakistani industry is ~30 times smaller than India by output, and unlike India most of your industry is limited to textiles (that too thanks to EU's GSP+ quota for being an LDC). That should give you a rough idea of where ya'll actually stand.

To develop a missile you need vast network of labs for R&D works, testing of the airframe, it's subsystems as well as testing infra facilities for validating the navigation, testing the warhead, terminal ballistics, rocket motors/propulsion, heat shield, apart from a vast supplier base to supply said components and subsystems. This is an oversimplification.

 

[Kimjongun]

I mean don't you guys find it ironic that you claim to make all sorts of fancy alienware tech on your own yet import trucks for TELs for them from china?
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Painting imported stuff green makes the average guy across the border think they are industrially and technologically capable enough to pull this off like the big boys country club, but trust me, you've no idea just how extremely backwards economically, industrially and technologically pakistan is both in terms of capability and scale in front of India. Based on energy consumption, pakistani industry is ~30 times smaller than India by output, and unlike India most of your industry is limited to textiles (that too thanks to EU's GSP+ quota for being an LDC). That should give you a rough idea of where ya'll actually stand.

To develop a missile you need vast network of labs for R&D works, testing of the airframe, it's subsystems as well as testing infra facilities for validating the navigation, testing the warhead, terminal ballistics, rocket motors/propulsion, heat shield, apart from a vast supplier base to supply said components and subsystems. This is an oversimplification.

We dont import the whole as TELs , they are made at NDC .
Sanctions were imposed on the belarusian TEL maker and Washan(afaik) for sharing knowhow with us , TELs are not that difficult to make .

"how extremely backwards economically, industrially and technologically pakistan is both in terms of capability and scale in front of India"
Ik how extremely bad our industrial capacity is and cash strapped we are and one reason for that is due to how much investment has been made in those sectors . which is why i think the missile side of things is somewhat better then the other country due to how much money we have thrown at it .
PA knows the only thing giving them deterrence against a bigger enemy like india is its nukes (yall can debate on it for however you want idc)
so they are throwing money at these things since the 70s .

Yes , no doubt we import complex components from abroad and the simple reason for most of it will be that you need industry for them to make at home , which we dont have so just import . for eg Ring laser gyros . Acc to wiki leaks we bouhgt some of them from a russian defence firm during the 2000s . there are even broachers for them online . and China is a known partner.

Also we know about the M9/M11 deals and nodong , these missiles gave us the early know how of manufacturing motors , mixing fuels , writing programs etc . Ac to FAS the ghaznavi production line had stopped in 2011 or 15 .

If the iranians can make missiles and subsystems you think the we cant with more money to put into it , less questions by the population , a nuke to put , a bigger enemy to fight against and having countries like china to provide componentss .

Baat rahi labs ki so there are a lot , not every site you see on sat is for storage , also i dont think shaheen 2 matches with the d5-25 as most chinese LR misssiles have Flex nozzles and no grid fins . diff re entry vehicles and needs .

Our missile production is very less probably compared to countries like u . this topic has been discussed to death , i think till we see a new missile popup we should agree to disagree.