Wait, why is turkey selling the S400 and do they have technology transfer for it from Russia? I'm not quite unfamiliar with the recent developments related to it.
Lol if we get turkish S400s i wouldn;t mind at all. The only issue is intellgience sharing from turkey to pakistan about this system. They might not have done so in the past keeping in mind they had it in active service but they will certainly do so now.
But its a lot more likely for these to go to saudi arabia or UAE
But its a lot more likely for these to go to saudi arabia or UAE
Which scenario is it?
- Russia really needs the funds.
- Russia needs India to get around sanctions.
- The funds are for the "development" of the generals yacht.
Either way, doubt India will be given anything substantial to do.
How is it progressing with our bmd phase 2 program? considering it may likely engage similar threats to S500?
S-500 was already being deployed around Moscow last time I checked. There's nothing to be 'developed' here. Besides, this is a strategic ABM tied to the Russian early warning system.
We'd essentially be hosting Russian ABM interceptors on our soil, much like THAAD/land-based SM-3 batteries in SoKo, Eastern Europe, etc. This will create problems with the US and EU at a time when we can ill-afford it. Bad idea.
We'd essentially be hosting Russian ABM interceptors on our soil, much like THAAD/land-based SM-3 batteries in SoKo, Eastern Europe, etc. This will create problems with the US and EU at a time when we can ill-afford it. Bad idea.
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S-500 interceptors are much more advance than what India has or probably will have. This is a great opportunity & we should take it.
Better extremely high energetic booster, probably the most advance in world allowing S-500 interceptors to reach much higher speeds at significantly reduce response time even within atmosphere when ICBM warheads are moving fast during their terminal phase where reaction time is extremely limited. Indian interceptors are way to slow to intercept such high speed target period.
Asking it again, got any documented, factual proof with numbers to backup your claims?
S500 uses a similar interceptor to the one used in S300V (9M82), presumably with a larger booster and newer electronics/seeker . The design of the missile looked in the s500 test vid looked similar to the 9M82 .
A high energy booster does not always means a better AD system , it depends on your tracking ability too look at LSAM of SK , not that quick but still one of the best in the world. Taiwanese ABM system also is somewhat slow .
PDV may look slow in the ascent but after shading the first stage, it reaches 100km+ and AD-2 nearly twice as high. It has already been proven at ICBM level closing speeds.
Speed is a decisive factor in low altitude scenarios but you'll detect an ICBM from over thousands of km away, plenty of time to get interceptors in the air. We have seen the level of miniaturisation Indian ABM systems have achieved in AD-2.
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DRDO is also working on hypersonic interceptors which will likely feature a faster boost phase + high G maneouvering. Between that and BMD P1/2, all our interceptor needs are covered, imo.
We are asking the Russians for help with long range phased array BMD radars like Voronezh, discussions on which happened last year, iirc.
You can't use it effectively at terminal or lower altitudes, where speed & response time are critical. AD-2 is relatively slow as well. If the enemy degrades or disables early warning systems at the outset of a conflict, it could be game over. In Indo-Pak scenario, speed is the essence & unlike United States, which benefits from two oceans providing strategic depth, India does not have that luxury. This is one reason why Russia employs very high speed ABM systems with powerful boosters, in contrast to U.S. interceptors that accelerate more gradually. The trade off, however, is higher cost & a smaller number of interceptors that can be fielded at any given time.
The fear of degraded early warning systems is a vulnerability, not a specific flaw of the AD-2. Without redundant sensor networks, even the fastest Russian style interceptors are completely blind. While India might lack strategic depth, adopting Russia's doctrine of fielding a limited number of ultra-fast, expensive interceptors would be.....disastrous against the high volume saturation attacks expected in an IND-Pak conflict or war. There are always certain pros and cons associated with any system.
Just because such type of interceptors are expensive doesn't mean you can't have as many. Enemy can't field unlimited number of Ballistic missiles either.
I recognise those facts. However, look at the inventory and economics of interceptions. Interceptors are inherently more expensive because they must execute complex manoeuvres, essentially try to take out the BM before it hits a target. It would make sense to reduce the cost of production within a certain tolerances and compromise on certain aspects, If you want to maintain a level headed CBA (Cost Benefit Analysis), which you will have to do, you'll need to cap inventory at some point. So, it makes sense to go for certain interceptors that are less expensive and produced within your own SCO.
Coming to the expensive lot, it will be difficult to field such interceptors in a 1:1 ratio if that is what you desire. The BM traditionally has been less expensive and more of them can be fielded. The point I am making sees the issue from a economics/production complexity stand point.
I am not against the concept of the faster Russian doctrine. However, it has its limits as well and works on the basis of a trade-off like all IADS.