Rafale RB of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

STEPHEN COHEN

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Well we could have bought the tornadoes sadly we never did. The mig 27 were truly junk. Jaguar is quite a good aircraft though. It's superior to the su25 and the Nanchang q5 and can use American and western munitions. On top of that it can do DPS,Anti armour missions as well as anti-ship roles which the former aircrafts can't.. On top of that it can do dedicated CAS missions like the a-10,frogfoot and the Q5. The adour engines are still reliable and cheap to maintain. If DRDO and HAL can they should redesign and modernise the airframe and produce a newer variant of Jaguar than can be used by the airforce to give air support..A cheap aircraft with similar flight characteristics of the Jaguar with more advanced electronics and better manufacturing processes. It will be an export hit too for countries in SEA,Africa and South America. Who need a good ground attack aircraft with decent air to air capability. But the Tejas can also do those things..

Can the Tejas Match the Jaguar in low level flights
 

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Don't know honestly. But tejas is superior in A2G missions if the gagan shakti news is true. But low level flying must be much worse because of its delta wing design..

We should design hawk replacement / cas aircraft.. Only if it's started now.. In 15 years time it ll be ready
 
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We should design hawk replacement / cas aircraft.. Only if it's started now.. In 15 years time it ll be ready
An entirely indian aircraft using an uprated htfe 25. With stealth shaping so it can act as fifth gen trainer but can also be used as a dedicated CAS with similar levels of carrying capacity to the Jaguar. Would make great sense for us. And can become a case study for testing systems of AMCA on it.. And if we use our time correctly we can replace and indigenise a lot of aircrafts..
It could single-handedly replace the Jaguar,AJT hawk and a bunch of of outdated trainers we have. But the Jaguar flight characteristics and its ruggedness should be replicated..
 
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An entirely indian aircraft using an uprated htfe 25. With stealth shaping so it can act as fifth gen trainer but can also be used as a dedicated CAS with similar levels of carrying capacity to the Jaguar. Would make great sense for us. And can become a case study for testing systems of AMCA on it.. And if we use our time correctly we can replace and indigenise a lot of aircrafts..
It could single-handedly replace the Jaguar,AJT hawk and a bunch of of outdated trainers we have. But the Jaguar flight characteristics and its ruggedness should be replicated..

Young team of HTT 40 would be free I suppose..
And with already making Hawk and upgrading to i hawk .. I think we already have many bits of building blocks and production tools..
 

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As an indian defense enthusiast, its disgusting to see Jaguars still serving with IAF. Countries like Oman, which doesn't have any threat from other countries already retired Jaguars ling time ago.

Apart from weight & thickness reduction, what will be the operational advantages? Any improvement in LPI or tracking range?
a 360° coverage. or at least 270° instead of 140.
 
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36th Rafale to have all India specific enhancements, arrives Jan 2022


Such is the fighting capability of French Rafale that its one squadron of 18 aircraft is equivalent to 2.5 squadrons (45 fighters) of Su-30 MKI in terms of turn-around and maintenance.


A fully-loaded Rafale fighter jet is seen in this photo. (File Photo)

France will deliver three Rafale fighters per month for the next three months with the last of the 36 contracted omni-role fighters carrying all 13 India specific enhancements to be delivered in January 2022. While 26 4.5 generation Rafale fighters are already operational from Ambala in the western sector and Hashimara in the eastern sector, three more Dassault manufactured fighters will be landing at Jamnagar base with the help of close ally UAE mid-air refueller on October 13. Three more are expected to be delivered in November and another three joining the Indian Air Force (IAF) in December.

However, it is the 36th Rafale fighter that will be equipped with all India specific enhancements to make the platform more lethal. Already India specific enhancements have been included in Hammer air to ground, SCALP land attack and Meteor air to air missiles used by Rafale with more range, more height and more accuracy. It is only after the 36th fighter has landed after testing all India specific enhancements with some technologies having Israeli origins that the previous 35 fighters will be fitted with all the enhancements.

While the India specific enhancements remain classified, they are understood to be pertaining to more powerful radio altimeter, radar warning receiver, low band jammer, flight data recorder, high-altitude engine start-up, synthetic aperture radar, ground moving target indicator and tracking, infra-red search and track, helmet-mounted display, missile approach warning systems and very high-frequency range decoys.

France, one of India’s closest strategic allies, has already sent the enhanced missiles and ammunition for Rafale to IAF. While the Meteor missile is best in its category in the Indian subcontinent, the Hammer and SCALP have pinpointed accuracy with last-minute target adjustment capability and radar avoidance. These weapon systems have multiple guidance facilities so that the enemy has no chance of jamming the missile either in the air to air or land-attack mode and can be used in stand-off mode for land targets over 70 kilometres away.

While the Indian Navy is also examining the option of Rafale-Maritime fighter for its indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, to be launched next August, the IAF has been asked to rationalize its fighter squadron strength due to the enhanced capability of Rafale. It is understood that one squadron of Rafale is equivalent to 2.5 squadrons of Russian Su-30 MKI in terms of turnaround and maintenance. The IAF’s capability will further be multiplied with the addition of the S-400 air defence system to the Indian fighting capability.
 
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Here is a Finnish article on Rafale and HX:


I try to add a direct link to a google translation, let's see if it works: