Pralay and Shaurya: Conventional Strike Surface-to-Surface Missiles

Here OSINT works. There is at least 1 satellite image of K4 missile being loaded on a nuclear submarine, which confirms its presence....
Is this confirmed ? I ask coz PKS has been claiming to whomsoever is willing to listen that the K-4 / K-5 haven't been test fired off a sub but only pontoons . This sort of makes sense since we've not announced any of the tests of the K-4 or its successors from subs but pontoons.

It's sort of counter intuitive given its the complete opposite of what deterrence is supposed to mean. If you've carried out such tests you do announce it publically so that those whom it is aimed at get the message. That's how deterrence works. Unless we haven't carried out such tests which means PKS is stating facts. Btw his stories about our N sub series is probably the best information we can get from any OSINT source.


Moreover he also claims that the S2 series is actually an SSGN series with no provision whatsoever to fire BMs except K-15 .

The definitive SSBN will be the Avinash series.
 
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If they are of the same dimensions then that opens up the possibility of having the Pralay on a naval platform. I don't know why but I really want to see a Shaurya derivative on a surface ship. 😛

Weight won't matter much as they can use different gas cannisters for cold launch. As far as cost goes you have a liquid fueled ramjet vs solid fueled motor. With in the same category of missiles Solid fuel will be cheaper always.

That means we can expand the anti sub defense bubble by having SMART in ships.

When Ships are launching Dhanush, can't it launch SMART?
If not VLS, atleast inclined launcher?
 
When Ships are launching Dhanush, can't it launch SMART?
If not VLS, atleast inclined launcher?
That is not the right approach. You can launch the largest of our strategic ballistic missiles from surface ships once the ships have been modified. The problem is that this sort of deployment limits your flexibility. When only certain ships can carry certain missiles not the other ships of the fleet, those ships become a big target.

But we are trying to develop a universal VLS, we should try to adopt most out new missiles to that UVLS. That gives you more options of weapons that can be used from your vessels. For example having the ability to launch the Pralay from the Brahmos' VLS gives our fleet a new missile for land attack role. They can keep the Brahmos exclusively for anti ship roles. Right now the Brahmos is used for both land attack & anti-ship roles.
 
Is this confirmed ? I ask coz PKS has been claiming to whomsoever is willing to listen that the K-4 / K-5 haven't been test fired off a sub but only pontoons . This sort of makes sense since we've not announced any of the tests of the K-4 or its successors from subs but pontoons.

It's sort of counter intuitive given its the complete opposite of what deterrence is supposed to mean. If you've carried out such tests you do announce it publically so that those whom it is aimed at get the message. That's how deterrence works. Unless we haven't carried out such tests which means PKS is stating facts. Btw his stories about our N sub series is probably the best information we can get from any OSINT source.


Moreover he also claims that the S2 series is actually an SSGN series with no provision whatsoever to fire BMs except K-15 .

The definitive SSBN will be the Avinash series.
Current INS Arihant class nuclear submarines are mini ssbn with 4 vls tubes and can carry 12 K15 or just 4 K4 missiles (they can't carry K5) which will be converted into dedicated ssgn once Avinash class with 12-16 vls which will be able to carry 12-16 K6 missiles with MIRV starts getting inducted in late 2020s or early 2030s. But till then 2 INS Arihant/Arighat class and 2 Aridhaman with 8 vls tubes which can carry 8 K5 missiles with 5000kms range will hold the fort for India...

 
Current INS Arihant class nuclear submarines are mini ssbn with 4 vls tubes and can carry 12 K15 or just 4 K4 missiles (they can't carry K5) which will be converted into dedicated ssgn once Avinash class with 12-16 vls which will be able to carry 12-16 K6 missiles with MIRV starts getting inducted in late 2020s or early 2030s. But till then 2 INS Arihant/Arighat class and 2 Aridhaman with 8 vls tubes which can carry 8 K5 missiles with 5000kms range will hold the fort for India...

I get the rest but frankly that tweet & the pic in it is flimsy evidence.
 
I get the rest but frankly that tweet & the pic in it is flimsy evidence.
Yes, you may call it flimsy but that's how OSINT works which could also be selective leaks to warn/confuse adversaries to stop them from taking foolish over confident decisions leading to destruction of both...
 
Indian forces acquiring 'Pralay' ballistic missile for striking targets at 150-500 Km

New Delhi [India], December 20 (ANI): Amid the ongoing conflict
with China, the Indian armed forces are now going to acquire
the [17]'Pralay' ballistic missile which can hit targets from
150 to 500 Kms.
The proposal moved by the Indian defence forces is at an
advanced stage and is scheduled to be taken up for clearance
during a high-level meeting this week, defence sources told
ANI.
The proposal is also important as it comes at a time when the
Indian forces are working on the creation of a rocket force
which has been in discussion at the highest levels in the
[18]Defence Ministry.
Recently, Navy chief Admiral R Hari Kumar stated that the late
Gen Bipin Rawat was working on the creation of a rocket force
to counter enemies on the border.
The missile was successfully tested twice on two consecutive
days last year in December and since then, the forces are
working towards its acquisition and induction.
With a range of 150 to 500 km, [19]'Pralay' is powered with
solid propellant rocket motor and other new technologies.
The missile guidance system includes state-of-the-art
navigation and integrated avionics. "Pralay' is a
[20]quasi-ballistic surface-to-surface missile. The advanced
missile has been developed in a way to able to defeat
interceptor missiles. It has the ability to change its path
after covering a certain range midair," sources said.
Sources said that such missiles give a tremendous capability to
own troops to completely destroy or take out enemy air defence
sites or similar high-value targets.
The Pralay missiles along with the [21]BrahMos supersonic
cruise missiles would be the longest-range tactical weapon
system in the defence forces as the long-range strategic
weapons are controlled by the strategic forces command.

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Pralay has been in ToT absorption phase for production for some time

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In a major decision, India has approved the acquisition & deployment of Pralay tactical ballistic missiles for the armed forces. Around 120 missiles cleared in first procurement by the Defence Ministry

In a major decision, the Defence Ministry has cleared the procurement of around 120 Pralay ballistic missiles for the Indian armed forces that will deploy them along the borders with China and Pakistan.
At present, the Pralay ballistic missiles can take out targets from 150 to 500 kms and are extremely difficult to intercept for the enemy through interceptor missiles.
"A high-level meeting of the Defence Ministry cleared the acquisition of around 120 missiles for the armed forces and their deployment along the borders," senior defence sources told ANI here.
The acquisition of these ballistic missiles is being seen as a big development for the country which now has a policy that allows the use of ballistic missiles in tactical roles. Both China and Pakistan have ballistic missiles which are for tactical roles.
The missile developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation is being further developed and its range can be extended significantly if the forces want it, the sources said.
The missile system started getting development around 2015 and the development of such a capability was given a push by the late Gen Bipin Rawat as Chief of Army Staff.
The missile was successfully tested twice on consecutive days last year on December 21 and December 22.
'Pralay' is a quasi-ballistic surface-to-surface missile. The advanced missile has been developed in a way to be able to defeat interceptor missiles. It has the ability to change its path after covering a certain range in midair.
'Pralay' is powered by a solid propellant rocket motor and other new technologies. The missile guidance system includes state-of-the-art navigation and integrated avionics.
The missile would be first inducted into the Indian Air Force likely to be followed by the Indian Army.
The proposal has been cleared at the Defence Ministry level and has paved the way for manufacturing and induction into the armed forces.
Defence watchers say such a missile system can be used for taking out long-range enemy air defence systems and also other high-value installations and weaponry.
The proposal to induct these missiles has been cleared at a time when the defence forces are working towards creating a dedicated rocket force which can take out enemy targets from long range. The Chinese military already has a dedicated rocket force. (ANI)


 
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In a major decision, India has approved the acquisition & deployment of Pralay tactical ballistic missiles for the armed forces. Around 120 missiles cleared in first procurement by the Defence Ministry





Number seems to too low??

Russia is using almost 100 missiles / day ..
 
Number seems to too low??

Russia is using almost 100 missiles / day ..
That's a full scale war on plain land, ours is high mountain & currently in disengagement. This seems in similar numbers to Nirbhay deployment.
Though I think they will never disclose exact numbers, no forces do that.
 
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Russians might have like 500 Iskanders at most.
And that's a production run of 12 years

Since we face 2 enemies, with advanced China on one side, More likely we ll be successful in striking targets with missiles.
Being the low range missile, it should be our mainstay for striking targets right?
 
Since we face 2 enemies, with advanced China on one side, More likely we ll be successful in striking targets with missiles.
Being the low range missile, it should be our mainstay for striking targets right?
Not everything will need a ton of warhead. Some will need 50kg, some 300kgs.

A mix of Loitering munitions, CMs and SRBMs along with guided mbrl
 
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Not everything will need a ton of warhead. Some will need 50kg, some 300kgs.

A mix of Loitering munitions, CMs and SRBMs along with guided mbrl
There's another bit of doctrinal stuff we need to sort out . Most of our major cities in the plains are within 4-500 kms of the LAC. However all the major cities of China are located along the west east centre & north east of China , on an average some 2-3000 kms away .

If things get really nasty this needs to be factored in . Ofcourse in that case , it could also go nuclear. However , both India & China have a NFU though nobody's sure if China'd stick to it .

Plenty of dilemmas for the Indian security establishment.
 
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There's another bit of doctrinal stuff we need to sort out . Most of our major cities in the plains are within 4-500 kms of the LAC. However all the major cities of China are located along the west east centre & north east of China , on an average some 2-3000 kms away

Tactical Ballistic missiles are not used for attacking cities.