Pradhanmantri Pakoda Rozgar Yojna

[Bali78]

How is US dealing with it? Is it not policy that created Ivy League even when the students are not so bright at primary level? Yeah talent across the globe do add to reputation but majority is still US students. I think it is well established that Indian kids are better at primary level than US counterpart even after a fcked up system. How come they lose it after having a head start?

I think the answer is at primary level there is ample of guidance and monitoring but at higher levels neither there is much guidance due to lack of faculty and infrastructure nor does a proper monitoring of how they are doing. Where they are lack, what do they need. Total indifference, live or die, this indifference kills what could have been a talent pool if nurtured. I think there is only one institution that can monitor it no matter how much you deny. Just because few exemplary students are making it at own doesn't give licence to govt to give up every responsibility and leave it all ram bharose.

US has a secret tool. That's called H1B. It simply sucks out all the talent available anywhere in the world. Who says Indians don't do well? Come to Silicon Valley and see for yourself. At engineering level, finding an American is a matter of luck in many companies. Even if you meet a white guy, there is a pretty good chance that he might be European

 

[vstol Jockey]

Ofcourse, Just like girls are responsible for rape unemployed are responsible for decreasing jobs. Atta boy!

Some replies on this thread tell us that logic, reason, rationality and objectivity all goes out of the window as soon as people get a slightest of chance to show the loyalty or sometimes sycophancy.

if you have give an example, please find better ones. How can you equate rape and jobs? How is it that another student who passes from the same class gets a job and other does not? No one appoints anyone based on just a degree? I do detailed interviews and also talk to previous employer before hiring a person. Armed forces are short of officers, why are these guys not trying there? reason is simple, a sub standard guy can't aspire to get a job when he is way below par.
I will blame our education policy on this. we get graduates on subjects which have no practical value for a job. I wud like to know why we dole out over 40K/mnth to JNU senior research scholars from public money? What use has been their research to our nation? And what kind of a job can they look forward to after doing such research? I know of IITians who have gone into farming using latest technology and are millionaires today. A job is about earning a lively hood based on what suits a persons qualifications or his skills. Why must we just concentrate on educational qualifications and not on skills? Today we are blaming this PM for Pakoda remark, do you guys remember the advertisements of Congress and AAP about giving licences to street vendors and thelawallas? what kind of white collar job were these people going to do on a thela or as street vendors?
We had another thread here about varna system. Why must we look down upon people who provide us service? I can't go to the wholesale vegetable market to buy vegetables but I rely on these street vendors for it. when I was in 10th standard in 1981, we had a subject called SUPW-socially useful productive work. We earned money by painting houses of people or fixing their broken furniture to make us respect dignity of labour. A thelawalla is a 100% owner of his business. Please do not compare him with a jobless B.Tech who does not respect dignity of labour and considers a white collar job his right after earning a B. tech degree. The person who repairs my laptop and other such appliances in my house is also a B.tech in computer science and employs about 20 guys under him. he makes house visits and earns over 10 lakhs every month from this. He did not wait for a white collar job and blame government? The difference between losers and winners is just one- winners create opportunities for themselves and do not wait on the roadside for opportunities to come to them.
Finally, if you have to respond to my comments, please use better examples. I take offence to Rape being used as an example.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

if you have give an example, please find better ones. How can you equate rape and jobs? How is it that another student who passes from the same class gets a job and other does not? No one appoints anyone based on just a degree? I do detailed interviews and also talk to previous employer before hiring a person. Armed forces are short of officers, why are these guys not trying there? reason is simple, a sub standard guy can't aspire to get a job when he is way below par.
I will blame our education policy on this. we get graduates on subjects which have no practical value for a job. I wud like to know why we dole out over 40K/mnth to JNU senior research scholars from public money? What use has been their research to our nation? And what kind of a job can they look forward to after doing such research? I know of IITians who have gone into farming using latest technology and are millionaires today. A job is about earning a lively hood based on what suits a persons qualifications or his skills. Why must we just concentrate on educational qualifications and not on skills? Today we are blaming this PM for Pakoda remark, do you guys remember the advertisements of Congress and AAP about giving licences to street vendors and thelawallas? what kind of white collar job were these people going to do on a thela or as street vendors?
We had another thread here about varna system. Why must we look down upon people who provide us service? I can't go to the wholesale vegetable market to buy vegetables but I rely on these street vendors for it. when I was in 10th standard in 1981, we had a subject called SUPW-socially useful productive work. We earned money by painting houses of people or fixing their broken furniture to make us respect dignity of labour. A thelawalla is a 100% owner of his business. Please do not compare him with a jobless B.Tech who does not respect dignity of labour and considers a white collar job his right after earning a B. tech degree. The person who repairs my laptop and other such appliances in my house is also a B.tech in computer science and employs about 20 guys under him. he makes house visits and earns over 10 lakhs every month from this. He did not wait for a white collar job and blame government? The difference between losers and winners is just one- winners create opportunities for themselves and do not wait on the roadside for opportunities to come to them.
Finally, if you have to respond to my comments, please use better examples. I take offence to Rape being used as an example.

My apologies sir, I deleted my post myself as I find it in bad taste and not at par.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Why the laughter? The food's good. I've tasted it, and ballooned from 85 kgs to 105.

There's a dearth of good restaurants in the business districts in Cal.Hence , officegoers in Cal have no choice but to hit the nearest Street food joint. Not so in bby . However , in terms of value for money and taste , little to beat the street food in Cal . Bby is a different kettle of fish altogether - both in terms of affordability , portions& taste be it the street food or a restaurant.

 

[vstol Jockey]

When I was in IN, one of our fav food joint was a thela of Pav-Bhaji opposite Ritz Hotel in Mumbai. We called it Hotel Ritz extension. many times when we were embarked on Viraat, we wud have these drinking and binging sessions which meant that by the time we finished drinking, the wardroom used to close so no food onboard. we used to drive down to this thela and gorge on pav-Bhaji as our dinner. And mind you, that guy had waiting time for his customers and some of the best people of south Mumbai came down to have his Pav-Bhaji in swankiest of cars.

 

[Bali78]

if you have give an example, please find better ones. How can you equate rape and jobs? How is it that another student who passes from the same class gets a job and other does not? No one appoints anyone based on just a degree? I do detailed interviews and also talk to previous employer before hiring a person. Armed forces are short of officers, why are these guys not trying there? reason is simple, a sub standard guy can't aspire to get a job when he is way below par.
I will blame our education policy on this. we get graduates on subjects which have no practical value for a job. I wud like to know why we dole out over 40K/mnth to JNU senior research scholars from public money? What use has been their research to our nation? And what kind of a job can they look forward to after doing such research? I know of IITians who have gone into farming using latest technology and are millionaires today. A job is about earning a lively hood based on what suits a persons qualifications or his skills. Why must we just concentrate on educational qualifications and not on skills? Today we are blaming this PM for Pakoda remark, do you guys remember the advertisements of Congress and AAP about giving licences to street vendors and thelawallas? what kind of white collar job were these people going to do on a thela or as street vendors?
We had another thread here about varna system. Why must we look down upon people who provide us service? I can't go to the wholesale vegetable market to buy vegetables but I rely on these street vendors for it. when I was in 10th standard in 1981, we had a subject called SUPW-socially useful productive work. We earned money by painting houses of people or fixing their broken furniture to make us respect dignity of labour. A thelawalla is a 100% owner of his business. Please do not compare him with a jobless B.Tech who does not respect dignity of labour and considers a white collar job his right after earning a B. tech degree. The person who repairs my laptop and other such appliances in my house is also a B.tech in computer science and employs about 20 guys under him. he makes house visits and earns over 10 lakhs every month from this. He did not wait for a white collar job and blame government? The difference between losers and winners is just one- winners create opportunities for themselves and do not wait on the roadside for opportunities to come to them.
Finally, if you have to respond to my comments, please use better examples. I take offence to Rape being used as an example.

Well said Sir. Couple of years back I met a moroccan cab driver in Austin, Texas. During our long drive to airport, we started discussing on various topics. I was little surprised to find this guy extremely tech savvy. After some more chatting he revealed that he is a PhD in computer science from UT, Austin and heads a stealth mode startup, trying to secure funding. Till he gets funding, he is driving cab to pay his bills. I heard about such stories earlier, but this one was shocking for me.
Unless we develop dignity of labour, we will keep waiting for handouts from government, paid by hard working honest tax payers!!

 

[vstol Jockey]

Well said Sir. Couple of years back I met a moroccan cab driver in Austin, Texas. During our long drive to airport, we started discussing on various topics. I was little surprised to find this guy extremely tech savvy. After some more chatting he revealed that he is a PhD in computer science from UT, Austin and heads a stealth mode startup, trying to secure funding. Till he gets funding, he is driving cab to pay his bills. I heard about such stories earlier, but this one was shocking for me.
Unless we develop dignity of labour, we will keep waiting for handouts from government, paid by hard working honest tax payers!!

You nailed it.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I focussed on services sector, since it generates approx 54% of India's GDP while employing only 31% of population. I don't see any future regarding agriculture. I come from a family of farmers and understand the ground level issues reasonably well.

The best way to help farmers is to provide them jobs in service sector and if possible, in manufacturing. Establishing manufacturing plants take time and it's a medium term solution. It will take at least 10 years for manufacturing sector to increase any significant number of employment. BTW we have not missed the bus. Yes we missed the bus of 90s and then again in 2000s. But China is getting expensive and Asian countries are grabbing some of the opportunities in this segment. See how Bangadesh is number one garment exporter now!! If government can solve logistics, taxation, finance and labor issues, India can still be competitive. Current government is working on first three issues. I hope they bring reforms in labor laws as well.

I don't think one can afford to be dismissive about the agricultural sector given the dependence of a vast no of our populace on it . This , when we've yet to have come to grips with manufacturing in terms of an alternative to both agriculture and the services sector . Apart from ensuring food security and generating employment , it ought to be sustainable to as great an extent as possible . One reason why our services sector dominates the other two is lack of enough opportunities in manufacturing and sustainable income from agriculture . Unfortunately , it seems as if the executive of the Union of India have collectively washed their hands off agriculture . It's nothing but a disaster in the making .

 

[Bali78]

I don't think one can afford to be dismissive about the agricultural sector given the dependence of a vast no of our populace on it . This , when we've yet to have come to grips with manufacturing in terms of an alternative to both agriculture and the services sector . Apart from ensuring food security and generating employment , it ought to be sustainable to as great an extent as possible . One reason why our services sector dominates the other two is lack of enough opportunities in manufacturing and sustainable income from agriculture . Unfortunately , it seems as if the executive of the Union of India have collectively washed their hands off agriculture . It's nothing but a disaster in the making .

I am not dismissing agriculture sector. But it simply cannot support 50% of India's population. At best 10-15% people can be dependent on it. Rest need to move to either manufacturing or services. If you take a look at developed countries, only 3-4% are dependent on agriculture and even they are finding it difficult to sustain.
I am noway suggesting to ignore agriculture. Government must do whatever it takes to safe guard country's food security. But we must understand the limitations of this sector as well.

 

[Shajida Khan]

So when I read your post, I nearly wept. As a race, we come out last in TShirt sloganeering; compared to other Indians, we cannot Keep Calm and Whatever; genetically, it is a proven fact that we cannot keep calm. I am no exception, and that is why I felt utterly defeated. Don't get me wrong; your posts are generally sensible and well-crafted. But if you take a 360 deg. view of the forum, do you feel that there is no reason to burst into tears? I have twelve on my ignore list, having just substituted a quarrelsome and utterly dense woman for a cynical, wise-cracking, smart-talking shallow fribble, who is still at least readable. But on this thread and another, there are enough bigots and crude, bad-smelling, bad-thinking, badly equipped mountain trolls picking snot out and tasting it to sicken any sensitised observer.

I have felt the same emotion to weep when I see masses in my community who follow likes of Owasi; not caring anything of their own welfare. However, this is the basic inference I have drawn: You have to own-up your own future; you -- and NOT some arbitrary politician -- build it with your own hands; and finally tell the same to whoever cares to listen.

That said I am sorry if I come out as a quarrelsome dense woman who is now wise-cracking, cynical, smart-talking friable. I find the threads like this to be very antithesis of the principles I live by and as you have said, I cannot control my wise-cracking mouth --or rather hand-- at that point.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Modi: Positive omen for PM Modi: This report reveals Modi's biggest challenge might soften - The Economic Times

 

[Shajida Khan]

You are not paying attention to the most important aspect of industrialization: natural resource, especially petroleum oil. USA controls world oil supply by having dollar as international currency. USA itself also has massive oil reserves an in 1900 its reserves matched Saudi Arabia. The natural resource is what propelled USA. USA also gave away its resource to Korea, Japan as a result of which they became manufacturing hubs. Europe also grew by riding on USA marshall plan. USSR also had huge natural resource and was once a superpower. But, USA took the support of Arabs and pumped oil supply at record levels bankrupting USSR and resulting in its collapse.

It is because of natural resource, especially petroleum oil, that the west is so dominant. IVY league etc are a result of this resource boom.

I could have agreed to you if it was only US. However, these small countries like Japan, Singapore, South Korea make me think it is otherwise. None of the Asian Tigers were anyway particularly rich in resources. For that matter India is not too much poor in natural resources as it does a piss-poor job at operationalizing them for her benefit.

We knew we had a hell lot of thorium for quite sometime now. Yet the speed at which our thorium energy plan has been carried out has been rather slow. Meanwhile, in the US, they conducted an experiment on MSR design in '50s or '60s which could have been the spring board we needed. They abandoned it because they didn't need it; we could have bargained on the knowledge transfer for that or hired the key scientists responsible for it. Thorium was and is our moonshot for energy, but I have a feeling we are not moving fast enough on it.

 

[Nilgiri]

Demand/supply of market is always the most relevant force when we are discussing these topics.

The mismatch from govt intervention/insulation (bad feedback loop for white collar aspirers, subsidy/loan for degrees that mean nothing later etc) is somewhat of a worldwide problem right now given the increasing complexity of today's economy (and the continued perceived thought inertia from before). India is extra complicated because it is also going through massive structural change in composition of its economic activity at the same time.

The answer is to have better churning of the data as to where the jobs are (and will be) using far more tools that are now at our disposal (internet, large stat compilation etc) and far less govt intervention on the issue (govt should only be active in maintaining standards for social good). If the govt drives toward that goal , there will be long term steady flow of unbiased information like for any realm of human activity and thus appropriate short and long term organic correction to the highest degree possible in the environment at hand. This is crucial because tax payer money (extracted liquidity) + public debt is a premium asset, esp for a developing country with little developed seigniorage on its currency.

This govt has started some process (gathering more + better + relevant data to steer policy better)...which is already significantly better than past administrations....but there is much scope for improvement on implementation esp (but overall its ok to wait for bigger and better data streams which are arriving this year).

When we see quality and output of better numbers regarding actual in demand jobs like in vocational environment + STEM (both of which there is a significant paucity in India, holding back actual structural investment) as opposed to over-intervention/supply of govt+ignorance distorted white collar jobs (which are making a huge bulk of this current threads discussion understandably given the monikers being used)....we will see a better transition of the economy into solid middle income territory.

Free market supply side economics has to be allowed to deal with whatever employment requirements are over and beyond this number wise in the raw demographic pressures (i.e all the service providers/wallahs distributed around the formal salaried spearheading).....govt intervention here (from world experience, not just India) is always bad given its basically laundering (for short term votes) quality capital deployment (higher up the chain) into largely bad, chaotic capital that often needs a cacophony of legislation that saddles the economy negatively long term (not to mention the dependencies/insulations) and just passes the buck of a perceived problem continually (which is good for politics, but not for economics). Govt role here should be to carefully remove extraction totally for a long enough period of time and create zones where investment is deployed in relation to both what type of human capital India can offer in large number but get a productivity upgrade and high intensity job creation. India has experimented/tinkered with it to some degree (manufacturing wise), but its not going full into it because of the viability of other political votebanking and also the aforementioned structural over-intervention/legislations. The coastal SEZ plan under mr. prabhu and other capable ministers will be something I will watch take shape now (the concept so far is promising) and give commentary later....probably will be a term 2 thing for the modi team.

Thus, using existing bad data and sampling and some notion of "white collar jobs" coming under pressure solely (or whatever large degree you decide to personally allocate with little to no evidence) because of a new administration is frankly simplistic and often stupid depending how far you want to go down that route....esp if you want to completely remove how bad the last administration was in regards to the capex cycles (NPA generation, over price-subsidy reliance and what not)....and not starting an iota on effective referencing and tieing/targetting policy to that (be it something as simple as DBT based on push for bank account expansion among the specific beneficiaries....and taking that concept to as many places as possible govt wise...be it education, health, jobs, housing etc).

India needs far better references to understand the larger trends of whats going on....and the policy fixes (from the govt end) must rely on minimalism + focus....and have a good natural churn in the bureaucracy to long term benefit those that can deploy results and get rid of the ones that cannot. These do not come overnight, but this govt has done better on it compared to previous ones, it must be commended. The UNICEF report last year sampling about 10,000 households on swach bharat ODF was quite telling on the results being generated when you aren't being consumed by whatever MSM headline is outputted by whatever side.

 

[smestarz]

It seems you really have nothing important or viable to add, so might be nice if you keep out of debate that you cannot contribute to..

Mistake 1: I'm not his pal, and I'm not your pal. Every other member of the forum remains a suspect quantity unless he (or she) is talking real facts and making analyses that are logical.
Mistake 2: If you were not so completely unaware of the ground realities, if you were not just a talking head indulging in mental self-abuse, you would know that 13 million is the number coming on to the job market, not the number graduating.
Mistake 3: Not picking up that it is precisely usable skills that is the factor missing in the 13 million; that it is the job of the education system, a responsibility of the government, to inculcate these skills in the young. And the old.



Indeed, UNFORTUNATELY, we are the land of graduates. Look at this post, full of sound and fury, and without a single usable suggestion.

 

[smestarz]

Let us see some other countries, China also has land bigger than India and also population, They also churn out a lot of Graduates., surely govt does not give jobs to all Chinese graduates,. Most do not wait for the govt to give them a job, they turn to some career courses like Diploma or certificate in foreign trade etc.

Since there was talk of food, there is a small article that I might put here

Three Squirrels: How A Nuts Business in China Became Internet Sensation And A Magnet For Private Equity
Three Squirrels: How A Nuts Business in China Became Internet Sensation And A Magnet For Private Equity

 

[smestarz]

2,500 young Italians compete for one job
2,500 young Italians compete for one job

Around a third of young Italians are out of work.

For some, going the distance in their job search means taking a special bus up and down the country to reach interviews.

They're all competing for the same job – and only one of them will succeed.

Not related to india per se, but you see what happens in the world

 

[Kshithij Sharma]

I could have agreed to you if it was only US. However, these small countries like Japan, Singapore, South Korea make me think it is otherwise. None of the Asian Tigers were anyway particularly rich in resources. For that matter India is not too much poor in natural resources as it does a piss-poor job at operationalizing them for her benefit.

We knew we had a hell lot of thorium for quite sometime now. Yet the speed at which our thorium energy plan has been carried out has been rather slow. Meanwhile, in the US, they conducted an experiment on MSR design in '50s or '60s which could have been the spring board we needed. They abandoned it because they didn't need it; we could have bargained on the knowledge transfer for that or hired the key scientists responsible for it. Thorium was and is our moonshot for energy, but I have a feeling we are not moving fast enough on it.

The so called Asian tigers are slaves of USA. Japan, ROK, Taiwan are hosting USA military, have constitution drafted by USA and even the administration is filled with agents of USA. These countries act as buffer zones for USA in controlling inflation, maintaining standard of living of USA citizens by tweaking the manufacturing activity and currency of these countries. These countries also hold USA dollars as foreign reserves, ensuring that USA debt is within reach of USA government, unlike reserves of China/Saudi Arabia, which it can use to threaten USA.

Indian resources are far poorer compared to the massive population. The Thorium, for example is only a namesake resource. Thorium is no better than Uranium 238 (which forms 99.28% of natural Uranium). The U238 is actually more abundant and easier to extract than thorium. The U235 is also an important component and extracting U238 as byproduct is more economical than extracting Th232. Nevertheless, India has large amounts of coal at 300 billion tons, of which 200 billion tons are extractable. This is the source of energy for India and even liquid fuel in this century.

Even other resources like Petroleum oil, Phosphate, Potassium, Natural Gas are scarce in India. The natural gas can be extracted from coal gasification and potassium extracted from feldspar and diesel/kerosene from coal liquefaction but at much higher difficulty which makes it practically difficult to scale up. So, the natural resources of india are scarce compared to the needs. The inefficiency of Indian government can't be ruled out, but one has to understand that till 1990, the world was not as globalised as today and countries were alligned in blocs making the free supply of raw materials difficult. It was the fall of USSR and rise of China with massive extraction of natural resource, that gave rise to this globalisation in such large scale

 

[bonobashi]

I have felt the same emotion to weep when I see masses in my community who follow likes of Owasi; not caring anything of their own welfare. However, this is the basic inference I have drawn: You have to own-up your own future; you -- and NOT some arbitrary politician -- build it with your own hands; and finally tell the same to whoever cares to listen.

That said I am sorry if I come out as a quarrelsome dense woman who is now wise-cracking, cynical, smart-talking friable. I find the threads like this to be very antithesis of the principles I live by and as you have said, I cannot control my wise-cracking mouth --or rather hand-- at that point.

LOL.

Don't be silly; you were not the quarrelsome, dense woman on my list. Nor were you the wise-cracking, cynical, smart-talking fribble. Not at all.

 

[smestarz]

some more innovations of simple indians who rather than stand in queue for a job actually became a job creator

 

[smestarz]

Your place might be closed for the construction of Mumbai metro (Colaba - seepz route)

When I was in IN, one of our fav food joint was a thela of Pav-Bhaji opposite Ritz Hotel in Mumbai. We called it Hotel Ritz extension. many times when we were embarked on Viraat, we wud have these drinking and binging sessions which meant that by the time we finished drinking, the wardroom used to close so no food onboard. we used to drive down to this thela and gorge on pav-Bhaji as our dinner. And mind you, that guy had waiting time for his customers and some of the best people of south Mumbai came down to have his Pav-Bhaji in swankiest of cars.