Pahalgam terror attack: Several tourists feared dead
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Same way as Abhi nandan shot down Pakistani F 16 without being able to fire any of his missiles.
All 4 of his missiles came down with the mig 21, still attached to the wings. Still in PAF custody.
We are learning to lie from the experts in our east.
He is happy because twitter X is banned in Pakistan and not in India.
So Pakistanis can't reply to Indian propaganda, and Indians can post whatever.
Lying is an ingrained trait for you guys, you dont need to learn it.
Didnt your tribe urgently request planes from the Arabs to make up for the numbers lost in 65 and then parade them to dispute IAF's kill claims?
Didnt your print and broadcast media claim victory right upto Dec 14 and then suddenly proclaimed surrender?
Didnt your govt and army call Kargil invaders as Mujahideen and refuse to admit they were soldiers?
Didnt your govt peddle the non state actor BS until Kasab admitted he was a Pakistani?
During Swift Retort didnt your side claim no F-16s's were used, then claim JF-17 fired the AMRAAM and then tried that Tiawan bullcrap?
Yeah, we are happy not to be seeing Pakistani Propaganda. Also, Pakistan is and always has been a pathological liar - your media would spew horse shit about bombing everything during 1971 war - starting from Howrah bridge to our steel plants when reality your jets touched nothing. So whatever you do, please don’t lecture us about this stuff..
Pak Missiles have long since been able to cover all of India. Longer ranges do come at a price of a reduced payload.
This move can be either again flexing and making the Pukes cry. Or the govt anticipates escalation.
The story with f-16 and Abhinandan case is funny. We say we shot it down using an r-73. The r-73 was missing. Then you posted a motor burnout but with a seperated seeker head with no warhead which means there was an impact.
You guys initially claimed that an f-16 shotdown the mig21 then it changed that a jf-17 shot down a mig 21. So you have a pretty consistent case of being inconsistent .
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So using conventional payload on the BMs won’t make sense - it will be a waste of BM. Also, it might risk a nuclear response as probably there is no way to tell if a BM is nuke-tipped or not. I really doubt Pak will be so brain dead to go nuclear, but then again, their actions routinely defy all logic..
There is a misconception here.
We think Pakistan is Batshit crazy. But its far from the truth. Pakistan from day 1 is afraid, really afraid that India hasnt accepted the partition and wants to reclaim the lost lands (not people).
Being stuck in an ideological echo chamber with various external players reinforcing their fears due to vested interests has resulted in a very warped mental state. ( I am not even being nasty here). They tried to rush India in 48 and snatch Kashmir, that scheme failed and would have bounced back badly if Nehru hadnt wanted to play global statesman.
Since then their harebrained schemes 65, 71,84, 99 have had the hall marks of tactical brilliance coupled with absolute strategic retardation.
We think Pak is crazy and will nuke India if India tries military action to punish Pak terror. The reality is far from it. Pakistan Army is a product of low level cunning coupled with corruption that comes from absolute power.
Pak army is not a homogenous structure but a faction riddled organization that strives to play off various powers while maintaining a semblance of order.
There is a professional core - forever threatened and forced to prove its loyalty and competence again and again as it struggles to steer the Army and the nation from one disaster after another.
Then we have the $$$ faction - people who join purely for economic gain. They view Pak army as a means to be a millionaire. This faction's core interest is monetary gain and it aligns with powers which can further it. If its pro peace with India or anti India they dont care. This is the faction you see spread out in the West/UAE sporting designer labels, driving expensive cars, smoking cigars and sipping/chugging scotch. Dont forget the scotch.
Then we have the religious nuts. This faction who were previously derided as fundoos and laughed at are now widespread in Pak Army. This faction believes India vs Pak isnt a political fight or a fight over Kashmir but its an ideological battle - Nazaryati Jung. They truly believe that a Hindu-Muslim war is inevitable and they want to fight while they are still strong compared to India. They know India's economic boom coupled with Pak's decline, if unchecked will make war impossible in just another 15 years
And finally we have outliers like Musharraf, Raheel Sharif who dont fit the exact bill in any of the factions but are driven by an overwhelming hatred for India.
You see them jostling with each other, vying for commands, assignments, prominence and priority. Its not unheard of for a faction to push for a move/action/objective without taking the larger force into confidence. A classic example will be how a rogue faction of Pak Army was supporting the taliban even while the top brass were trying hard to convince the Americans that Pak army was on their side. For those who have been following PA, Musharraf had to elevate Mohammad Aziz Khan to the Joint Chiefs of Staff position - a ceremonial role with no real power to get him out of a Corps Command.
Pak Army's actions sound comical or weird at the top but its all well thought out (from their POV). All these factions agree on one point - Pakistan must survive BUT only under the guidance and control of the Pak army.
This nuclear sabre rattling that we see on an average once every quarter is now an ingrained trait. Kind of like how a trained dolphin will perform tricks when you wave a bait fish. Its the action that has rewarded it since forever.
They possess a cunning but of the low street thug kind.
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But what I don't understand why wasn't this civil defence thing done when Galwan happened that was serious than this. In fact whole mobilization was shown on television.
1. May be neither China nor India were expecting this to happen or wanted deescalation and not war.
2. India has made mind this time, let it be war with Pakistan?
I don't believe this. I mean is Paxtan C̶o̶a̶s̶t̶ G̶u̶a̶r̶d̶ Navy a professional outfit or what ? They've actually released IR footage of a 737 Boeing airliner as if it's a stealth fighter .
Looks like it's for the consumption of baaje & baaje ka bhaijaan jo unke shohar hain awam who'd quite obviously think it's an achievement unable as they are to tell their front from their behind.
And maamu who thinks this is Pee DF posts it here . To what end ? Looks like Siyappa.
Tauba Tauba !
Now now show some respect - PN and its affiliates have a list of achievements
* Number 1 in smuggling on the Gulf - Pak routes
* Number 2 (PAF disputes this) in corner plot allocation in Pakistan.
They want to show world that they are capable of handling both Iran and India, go into good books of NATO and get some dollars. The whole issue seems to be related with Iran. Whatever happened in Pahalgam seems to have some link with crisis in West Asia.
By in that sense, your PAF has showcased a S-300, falcon rocket, arma tank footage, a italian CGI satellites as thier own, in Thier video,
Should we consider that's how it is,
Why can't you guys just stick to one story,
@vstol Jockey is correct when he talks about Sindh and Balochistan strategically more important at the current stage than POK. The whole issue surely has to do with the sea routs, oil, gas and Iran! India has been pulled into this via kashmir issue.
To ALL folks asking why and when of attack, please read this.
This is not some joker of social media but a Subedar Major (SM). His points are very pertinent.
- We will drag our feet and dry Pakistan out waiting for an attack in an heightened alert state.
- THERE WILL BE A RETALIATION.
This is not some joker of social media but a Subedar Major (SM). His points are very pertinent.
- We will drag our feet and dry Pakistan out waiting for an attack in an heightened alert state.
- THERE WILL BE A RETALIATION.
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