Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

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folks in this thread still thinks that Infia will strike with military power? I am asking to the personals from both sides.

200% sure. Time and scope is unknown, but something will be done and it'll be bigger than '16 and '19 as well. I have a strong hunch regarding this coming week but can't say for sure - game plan seems to be to keep them on tenterhooks and drain their resources/ability to stay alert and prepared.
 
200% sure. Time and scope is unknown, but something will be done and it'll be bigger than '16 and '19 as well. I have a strong hunch regarding this coming week but can't say for sure - game plan seems to be to keep them on tenterhooks and drain their resources/ability to stay alert and prepared.
Its already late, they are well prepared now. They have their men at border, and i didn't see any report in any media that we have done similar movement of troops. So if we did anything like Balakot, they can thrust in to our territory easily. Imagine loss of control of our own territory.
NB: Brahmos or Rafale or MKI cannot do kuch if we dont have any ground troops to handle Pakistani ground troops.
 
Its already late, they are well prepared now. They have their men at border, and i didn't see any report in any media that we have done similar movement of troops. So if we did anything like Balakot, they can thrust in to our territory easily. Imagine loss of control of our own territory.
NB: Brahmos or Rafale or MKI cannot do kuch if we dont have any ground troops to handle Pakistani ground troops.

It's a double edged sword, they may think they're "prepared," but they've also shown a lot of their cards and are more fixed in place now; and all of this is putting an unbearable cost on their logistics, reserves and economy - which will give us the advantage if and when things move towards an all-out conflict. I seriously doubt that our "troops haven't moved" - they usually move even during less tense situations than this, and just because you haven't seen anything in the media doesn't mean anything; more likely the Government has pressed the media not to report/give away important information, just like people were told not to record/photograph and post any movements of men or material.

There have been more than enough signs lately - which were missing in '16 and '19 - like urging farmers to harvest crops prematurely, prepping the civilian emergency bunkers, requisitioning more hospital beds and blood in the North, completely cancelling all leaves for ordinance factory workers with immediate effect, most opposition leaders suddenly and quietly toeing the line as if they've been given a tap on the shoulder, Blackout preparation exercises in Punjab, steady and systematic snapping of all sorts of ties w/ Pak, and a wave of veterans mobilizing public opinion in preparation for conflict and call-ups of reservists. And I'm pretty sure I'm still actually missing a few other things I noticed previously as well.

There will be a hit, and this time the Government seems ready to go all the way to a war if that's what Pakistan wants. I don't know when it'll happen, but I stand by the fact that it eventually will.
 
Its already late, they are well prepared now. They have their men at border, and i didn't see any report in any media that we have done similar movement of troops. So if we did anything like Balakot, they can thrust in to our territory easily. Imagine loss of control of our own territory.
NB: Brahmos or Rafale or MKI cannot do kuch if we dont have any ground troops to handle Pakistani ground troops.
Just the way you have become unsure about Our Response to Pak, similarly even Pak armed forces will become unsure after a bit more time and go into a lesser stage of alert. It is after that the strike will happen.
 
I don't want to start blame game etc. I think danger is averted. I don't want to blame india and Pakistan. I think root cause is always Kashmir. terrorism, jehad, struggle, freedom fighters etc, they are all just terms. If we sort out this issue, we will sort out everything.

These are just manifestation of 2 root causes. Islam and vote bank politics. When you allow free hands to Islamic radicals to openly exercise their filthy ideas, promote radicalism freely and your political system does not take any action in lust of votes, this happens invariably. In these conditions, you have to take arm and retaliate, which coward Pundits didn't do.

So far as Pakistan is concern, I do not want to comment much. It is beyond the repair. It is a nation of Mentally ill population. It is heading towards total disaster. However, my issue is with my government which failed to protect Hindus. In case Hindus are killed, their revenge should be taken in most brutal way with treacherous Kashmiris and Pakistan. That is not happening and that is mp problem.

There is only one solution of Kashmir. India should recapture POK and change the demography with the settlement of Martial Hindus races there. Demolition of all mosques and Madrasa. Brutal handling of Islamist and anti national. 1:10 killing of terrorist and Islamist for one Hindu killing. Baluchistan, Sindh and Pashtunistan becoming independent nations and Pukjab is pounded to rubbles. That is the only solution this problem have.
 
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You don't understand the situation then my dear. "Common people" in Pakistan do not own anything or any power, never had. Right now you do not even have a government answering to common people. It's not the common people of Pakistan that India is dealing with. It's the state of Pakistan, more specifically its armed forces that are an independent power in Pakistan with almost zero civilian control.

Unfortunately, the common people in Pakistan are forced to feed and support its forces via taxes. So, that makes, them a necessary target to destroy. Both Armed forces because they are existential threat to India and common people's economy in Pakistan because that is what feeds Pakistan military establishment, even if unwillingly.

And you are absolutely wrong to think that this "issue" will stop at Kashmir. For Pakistan's military establishment to thrive, it will need an enemy. Remember, what Munir said in his speech just before this incidence? "we are different from Hindus". Nothing stops at Kashmir. Nothing. Because for Pakistan's military to exist, it needs to justify its existence. If "Muslims are different from Hindus" as Munir said next will be Hyderabad. West Bengal. Mumbai.

So there is no option for India but to destroy Pakistan's military's war fighting capabilities. By destroying Pakistan's economy via Indus water redirection so that Pakistan's army looses financial inputs needed to secure weapons and equipment. And destroy Pakistan military by direct fighting or by covert means. Unfortunately, there is no other option left here.

In short, like Ajit Doval had said, make it unmanageable for Pakistan. You do one Mumbai, you lose Baluchistan. Unfortunately, it has not happened.
 
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Its already late, they are well prepared now. They have their men at border, and i didn't see any report in any media that we have done similar movement of troops. So if we did anything like Balakot, they can thrust in to our territory easily. Imagine loss of control of our own territory.
NB: Brahmos or Rafale or MKI cannot do kuch if we dont have any ground troops to handle Pakistani ground troops.
You must understand one thing. Every military action has an objective. Modi government has been a bit more strategic in their nature of actions. Their last action was to push Pakistan's red-line ie to dispel the myth that India will not carry out military action in Pakistan's proper territory. It did. Its success or failure is debatable. But that red-line was crossed. After that second red-line was crossed by properly making J&K an Indian state/union territory. So all of that paid off in allowing J&K to have relative peace.

Now the current massacre is Asim Munir's attempt to justify his job. For India the current object seems to be water and a strategic leverage over Pakistan. Path to those is now clear. From here on, it is now a game of dare again and again. India will build canals and dams and reservoirs. Pakistan will be dared to respond by attacking those. Typically Pakistan has been pretty weak in that kind of game. India built a lot of infrastructure in Kashmir lately and has been busy even changing its demographics.

The last item is to punish Pakistan militarily. That does not have a deadline per-say. Why? Well look at China. It objected strongly to India's changing of status of Ladakh. But it only did a military encroachment in 2020, many months later. Even if Indian government waits, prepares ground and then acts, it is not an issue at all. But sure as hell it will act. Because it needs to implement integration of Kashmir in India. This attack is a threat and a challenge to that.
 
Just the way you have become unsure about Our Response to Pak, similarly even Pak armed forces will become unsure after a bit more time and go into a lesser stage of alert. It is after that the strike will happen.
Its called attacker's advantage. Attacker chooses its time.

I remember watching a movie on operation Barbarosa. Russia was preparing for German invasion. there were many many many false alerts but finally on 22 june 1941. It was anticipated to happen first in jan 40. then in aug 40. then in oct. then in march 41. Lots of false information. Finally Germany attacked in june 41.
 

India starts work on hydro projects after suspending Indus Waters treaty with Pakistan: Sources​

India has begun work to boost reservoir holding capacity at two hydroelectric projects in the Himalayan region of Kashmir, sources with knowledge of the matter said, after fresh tension with Pakistan led it to suspend a water-sharing pact.

A "reservoir flushing" process to remove sediment began on Thursday, carried out by India's biggest hydropower company, state-run NHPC Ltd, and authorities in the federal territory of Jammu and Kashmir, the three sources said.

The work may not immediately threaten supply to Pakistan, which depends on rivers flowing through India for much of its irrigation and hydropower generation, but it could eventually be affected if other projects launch similar efforts.

There are more than half a dozen such projects in the region.

India did not inform Pakistan about the work at the Salal and Baglihar projects, which is being done for the first time since they were built in 1987 and 2008/09, respectively, as the treaty had blocked such work, the sources added.
 
Mosque and madrassa, both places has children everytime. I think nothing will happen now.

Trust is necessary that's why i want indian government to open diplomatic channels. Let's talk. Eat biryani. Talk to each other with respect.

Repeating same act again and again but expecting different result every time is foolishness. There is an English Proverb meaning something like that.

Sinking the PN is of little use at this point in time, their replacements are more capable and arriving by the end of the decade.

You are saying as if a rifle is to be replaced. New warships will keep coming whether old are operational or not. Pakistan has ordered Chinese Frigates. They are not for replacements. They are for the enhancement of existing fleet. If we do not sink old warships, in future wars old and new warship together will fight against us. You can not harm Pakistan more than sinking warship (in terms of Money) with minimum collateral damage.
 
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knightly order lol........this guys certainly a lahori porkisstani.
The pilots of the Pakistan Air Force are obviously a knightly order composed of young aristocratic officers. Their combat capability is obviously stronger than that of other services. In their contacts with the PLAAF, Pakistan is like a knight lord, commanding ground crew to serve them.It seems that these ground crew are like their servants and serfs
Isn't it normal for there to be a few hundred capable young nobles among hundreds of millions of people?
 
Kinghtly order just ask them Why Thier air Marshal is getting jailed right now, no proper trials no civil defence lawyers lol, knightly elite nobles have dropped more bombs on Thier civilians rather on the enemy
After you joined the forum, how did you haven't got any news of Pakistan & Afghanistan having border conflict every month, iran bombing Pakistan for terrorism, now Taliban meeting with Indian diplomats in Kabul, where you been buddy looks like you missed out amazing moments, if Pakistan is good guy then how come they have conflicts with other's in the area, so called good guy's did a good genocide lol
This is Pakistan's problem, not ours. We have good relations with Iran and Afghanistan, and we are even in a kind of alliance. The war will eventually become a war between China and India.
 
Its already late, they are well prepared now. They have their men at border, and i didn't see any report in any media that we have done similar movement of troops.

The mobilization is huge but no one is taking photo, this time every one is serious. Even US has issued advisory to avoid border areas. BJP has to act practically, no one has voted them to do dhando pani only. They lost in Ayodhya because they neglected local Hindus. People are very serious.
 
Oh, and is that why Russia's gone back to its brigade-division structure after actually fighting a modern war? And the Russians don't have just a division (12000), but they have an even larger unit called Army Corps (20000).

And oh, look, even the Americans are switching to divisions.
Another stupid thing, the purpose of the US and Russia to rebuild the division is not that the synthesis is bad, but that the brigade is too small, their division is a larger brigade. With more synthetic battalions (regiments). And build more support units at the division level.
Indian divisions are different. Their regiments are single-arms. Tank regiments only have tanks. If you want to organize an attack, you need to draw tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, artillery, engineers, electronic warfare and air defense units from different regiments.
 
This is Pakistan's problem, not ours. We have good relations with Iran and Afghanistan, and we are even in a kind of alliance. The war will eventually become a war between China and India.
No country jumps into someone else's wars, they only profit off of it. China will get nothing by fighting a war which has no meaning to them and will only lead to death of several soldiers. It will only supply weapons for more than usual price and make money
When things turned out just as those pages predicted, we couldn't convince ourselves that they were false.
The Indian system doesn't have any demotions, you only get suspensions or your further promotions will be stalled indefinitely. If things get very critical you'll see a strip off, you'll never see demotions. This is true for several militaries afaik. There have been several cases in the past by several people but they have only gotten suspensions.
 
What are you talking about? Every armored division in India is supported by 2 infantry divisions. And every infantry division also has a regiment of tanks. And every armored division (plus two inf divisions) is also supported by an artillery division. But artillery, air support, EW etc are assigned as per need. There are also large independent units ready to merge with the divisions when necessary. Even RAPIDs are available as support.
What a stupid idea. If you have seen the offensive footage of the Russian-Ukrainian war, you will not have such a stupid idea. Whether it is Russia or Ukraine, their main offensive mode is 3 or 4 tanks, about 10 infantry fighting vehicles, and support from artillery and reconnaissance troops. If the Indians want to organize such an attack, they need a tank regiment, an infantry regiment, an artillery division, and reconnaissance and electronic warfare troops that may only be available at the army level.
If it is China, a combined battalion can solve all problems. That is why the Indian Army is so bloated and inefficient.
 
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