Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

[Saaho]

In fact, your point of view is very simple. You are not prepared for China to join the war. You tell me that if China joins the war, you will use nuclear weapons.

My point of view is very simple. If the Indians completely defeat Pakistan, their second step will be to attack Tibet, which we absolutely cannot allow, so China will definitely join the war.

We are simple people, we have simple taste.
We see Pakees, we shoot to kill.
We see *censored* *censored*, we nuke.

Its not that hard to understand, well?

So, @LX1111, convince Xi to send Armies to Pakistan and I will convince Modi to give a go ahead of nuking the shit out of China. Since sending armies that far takes time, I recommend you start right now. I will wait for *censored* *censored* armies to show up in Pakistan. Since we just have to press buttons and missiles will be away in minutes, you need to start right now or China will miss the opportunity.

As you said, once we are done with demons of Pakistan, we will round 'em up those dirty Hans in Tibet.

 

[jk007]

In fact, your point of view is very simple. You are not prepared for China to join the war. You tell me that if China joins the war, you will use nuclear weapons.

My point of view is very simple. If the Indians completely defeat Pakistan, their second step will be to attack Tibet, which we absolutely cannot allow, so China will definitely join the war.

I always thought p-a-k-i-s are stupid, but Chinese are cold calculating. Looks like I am wrong about chinese.

There is no huge defeat for Pakistan and there is no war with China. Now, please use your imagination elsewhere.

Tell me, what did China get by trampling all agreements with india and doing galwan stuff?

 

[CATS @hunter]

Oh, silly child, don't you know that Pakistan was the earliest foreign user of HQ9? As for the S400, well, this is rather difficult. However, the architecture of the HQ9 and S400 is similar, and the training time for these won't be too long either
Or rather, if a large scale war breaks out between India and Pakistan, China will 100% send army to Pakistan to participate in the war

Dude training on system takes time, even if the architecture is same or not, you need highly qualified personnel to operate SAM systems,

Then what's stopping the Americans to jump in the war, they get to killed two bird's in one stone,
And why would china do that at the time when they are in tussle with America on global war on tariffs,

 

[Gautam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915754087745757481

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915823477765911028

 

[safriz]

Buddy there's a big organisation called indian railways, who also have large rail networks, how do you think that logistics take place in this country, so does indian army fighting in every terrain,
If they had learned their lessons from previous major terror ops form the past, they wouldn't have been taking many causalities nor the terrorist groups running checkpoints in highways,

Yes the terror check post s, very unfortunate situation and results of negligence by many organizations and politicians.
But we been there multiple times, and got out of this somehow.
This too shall pass.

 

[safriz]

we are worrying is Pakistan's army. Pakistan's army is large but very bloated. FPV is a revolutionary weapon. It caused 50% of personnel losses and 70% of equipment losses on the Russian-Ukrainian battlefield, but Pakistan does not seem to attach importance to it. It did not even equip the tank troops mobilized to the border with protective nets.

GIDS produces kamikaze drones in Pakistan.. These have been displayed in multiple exhibitions

 

[safriz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915754087745757481

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915823477765911028

Just water blockage won't have much or any effect.
India has been blocking Pakistans water for quite sometime and agriculture has moved away from relying on canal water.
Plus this move will backfire as this may send Pakistan into so or die mindset, as water is a necessity of life.
If India cranks up this blocking, the only way out for Pakistan will be a full blown war.
Out of the two options, die thirsty because India is blocking our water, and die fighting with the aggressor who's intentions are to starve us , I rather take the later option.
The national security council of Pakistan has already called blockage of water and act of war.
But at the moment it's not doing much bad to Pakistans water situation.
If it does, we won't have much to lose anyway and best option will be to go full ape shi* on India.

Cruise missiles fired on dams shall do the job, if the need arises.

 

[nair]

I'm sure you've seen videos circulating online that seem to show individuals engaging in provocative acts supporting adversarial narratives. These are likely part of an information warfare campaign—often referred to as the '0.5 front.' It's important not to amplify such content. Our role is to counter this internal front effectively, so that the Indian Armed Forces can stay focused on the two conventional fronts they are tasked with.

 

[Gautam]

India has been blocking Pakistans water for quite sometime and agriculture has moved away from relying on canal water.

Can you name these canals? What is the source of the canal water? I am assuming one of the rivers of the Indus River system.

Plus this move will backfire as this may send Pakistan into so or die mindset, as water is a necessity of life.

I thought do or die is Pakistan's default mindset. If not, how would you describe your current mindset & how is it different from do-or-die?

If it does, we won't have much to lose anyway and best option will be to go full ape shi* on India.

Again, I thought "full apesh*t" is Pakistan's default mindset.

Cruise missiles fired on dams shall do the job, if the need arises.

Let's say these strikes are successful. How would Pakistan deal with the resultant flooding? It is my understanding that Pakistan doesn't have the infra to store even 20% of the nominal flows of the rivers. I don't see how your infra will hold up against a flash flood.

Pakistan's current water storage capacity is 16-18 BCM excluding the sedimentation losses. Total discharge of all rivers from India to Pakistan is ~105-120 BCM. Even if Pakistan were to release all their dams simultaneously & let the water drain into the sea, flooding is inevitable.

Unsurprisingly the Indus River basin has a very high correlation with the most productive agriculture regions of Pakistan. The regions that will most likely get flooded are the most agriculturally productive regions of Pakistan.

A similar thing happened to Bangladesh recently. Brahmaputra was flooded due to excess rain, pumping an additional ~20 BCM of water into Bangladesh. This caused major crop failures across the country. Few months back they had to buy grains from us.

Now this was caused by excess rains. A much slower process than a flash flood. Flash floods are usually a whole lot worse.

 

[randomradio]

Pakistan Army's armored forces are equally desperate. They bought a lot of advanced tanks, T80UD, MBT2000, VT4, they are very advanced, but what about infantry fighting vehicles? Only M113. In the Russian-Ukrainian battlefield, we have seen that the importance of M2A3 is far greater than M1.
Although India is also poor in this regard, with only 1,700 BMP2s, the BMP 2 at least has a 30mm 2A42 gun, while the M113 is just a thin-skinned aluminum can.

They can't afford their military.

We have more BMP-2s than that.

 

[randomradio]

There is a limit for Pakistan to stay in alert mode, they also know they can't continue this for so long and that's why they are worried.

They are doing everything they can to prevent war. LeT has backtracked on them having taken responsibility too, claimed India hacked their computers.

 

[randomradio]

No, no. Things are not as simple as you think.
If India really intends to launch an attack in the Kashmir region, I think this is a good opportunity. The PLA can directly launch an attack in the direction of Leh and Srinagar, which can directly solve our troubles in the southwest direction. After all, after 2017 and 2020, The temperature between China and India has dropped to freezing point.

You do realize if war goes nuclear, China will be attacked too?

There's zero chance of China help Pakistan. The opposite can be true.

Anyway, unless things go wrong, this war is unlikely to see the destruction of Pakistan.

At this time, providing weapons directly is actually the simplest thing.

So why couldn't the West do the same thing in Ukraine? It took them 2 years to train pilots and supply fighter jets too.

And what about communications? Will you be able to replace Chinese systems with Pakistani in a few days? Have you readied systems with translations into English? Or will you teach Pakistanis Mandarin in a few days?

Any assistance you are willing to provide beyond dumb ammo will take at least 2-3 years to arrive. I have no clue how you do not understand that.

Ukraine was provided older NATO systems and even that took time. Are you willing to compromise all of your comms and networking systems in just a few days? Everything you have in all your theaters will have to be replaced.

And most importantly, how are you going to supply Pakistan? You think the IAF won't destroy your transports? You can't just fly in or ship in anything until the war is over.

As for India being able to defeat Pakistan within a few days, well, I admire the confidence of the Indians

I think there's a translation problem. I said the attack will commence in a few days or within a week.

 

[randomradio]

Russia. Oh, my goodness! We no longer need any of Russia's military technologies now, including nuclear submarines.

Yes, you do not need Russian tech, and now neither do we. That does not change the situation. All your SAMs are still catching up. Yes, you may use better tech than what's in the S-400, but the system design of the S-400 still remains unrivaled. We know this 'cause our forces have studied Western SAMs too. What others need multiple systems, multiple teams to achieve with varying degrees of success, the S-400 can do all functions with just one crew.

All an S-400 battery needs now is a BMD radar and exo-atmospheric interceptor missiles and a CUAS system organically connected to it.

If India really defeats Pakistan, then a war between China and India is inevitable. In that case, attacking the Kashmir region from both sides with Pakistan is a rare opportunity
Don't forget that it's almost May now and the ice and snow in the Aksechin region have melted.

If Pakistan is taken out, the opposite will happen, China will be forced to back out. India as a land power threat will become too great for China to handle. We can reduce the size of our army drastically and still double our offensive manpower against China. And we can go about creating dedicated marine and air corps. Knowing all that, China will be forced to become more peaceful in the Himalayas.

Anyway there's nothing China can do to India without dealing with the US first.

Also, China could have attacked India in 2020 itself. India was a lot weaker back then. If you didn't back then, why would you do that now? Pakistan could have also helped out. Instead you allowed India to rearm. Some of our offensive capabilities have increased by at least 10 times since then.

 

[randomradio]

don't forget that China and Pakistan's nuclear weapons combined are about 3 to 4 times that of India.

We have way more than what's been reported. The fact that we are currently building 8 SSBNs should tell you that already.

China also has hydrogen bomb, India does not

India does too. At least publicly since 2019.

India has the 'mother of nuclear bombs': PM Modi on calling Pak's nuclear bluff

"Do whatever you want to do, we will retaliate"

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The reason why China joined the war was very simple. If India defeated Pakistan and gained absolute dominance in South Asia, then India would definitely launch a new attack on Tibet.

No, we want to grow our economy peacefully. Why will we attack China when we are at an obvious disadvantage in the air and sea? The US has to deal with you first. Then we can think about it.

 

[Zer0end]

Total War is not possible. Ajit Doval and jaishankar decide everything. Both of them including central government don't have that attitude and personality.

Mini War Duration:- min 1 month, max 1 year
We will fight in POK. But will not touch Karakorum highway to avoid confrontation with china. China will help Pakistan with equipment but it will not send its army, China will not participate in war. We will capture the marked area on the map( pir panjal range). Missile attack on terrorist camp. Once we get Haji pir. Our mini war would end. General Election would take place by the end of 2026-april 2027(BJP absolute majority). Also Pakistan New government would be elected. Cyber warfare Air force and drones would help us achieve our target.

We are waiting for Pakistan to attack first. Pakistan will attack on first or second week of May.

 

[Saaho]

India has been blocking Pakistans water for quite sometime and agriculture has moved away from relying on canal water.

Jesus H Fukken Christ man! India does not even use its treaty given 20% share of water and you are talking about blocking Pakistan's water?
If this was blocking then Pakistan will have some serious trouble once India starts blocking even 10% more than what it is doing right now.

 

[Defc0n]

Been seeing this “China has hydrogen bomb” thing and a discussion around that since quite some time.

AFAIK, during Pokhran test, there were two devices that were detonated. The second one was a thermo-nuclear device. I vaguely recall Santhanam’s interview about this when some one said that the Hydrogen device had fizzled… That test was 26 years ago, folks seriously think that we don’t possess that capability right now?

 

[Saaho]

LeT has backtracked on them having taken responsibility too, claimed India hacked their computers.

Where???????

I mean source of this juicy bite?

Been seeing this “China has hydrogen bomb” thing and a discussion around that since quite some time.

AFAIK, during Pokhran test, there were two devices that were detonated. The second one was a thermo-nuclear device. I vaguely recall Santhanam’s interview about this when some one said that the Hydrogen device had fizzled… That test was 26 years ago, folks seriously think that we don’t possess that capability right now?

It does not really matter man. Even with fusion boosted bomb India can easily make 150 KT bomb which weighs less than 500 KG. That means 3-5 war heads in Agni-V MIRV. Enough to do all the damage required.

In fact, one thing that India has been working tirelessly has been increasing the accuracy of the missiles. A well placed 15KT bomb will do more damage than a 50 KT bomb which misses target by several hundred of meters.

3 100 KT bombs = Shanghai gone. 1 100 KT bomb = 3 gorges dam gone.

 

[randomradio]

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Your threats are ridiculous to me. In 1962, when famine broke out in China, we were still able to launch a large-scale attack on India. Do you think we are afraid of death?

Unfortunately, it is unlikely that India will be able to break through China's anti-missile network attack, China's cities or the Three Gorges Dam.

In the past decade, China's HQ19, HQ26 and HQ29 have frequently conducted mid-course anti-missile and terminal high-altitude anti-missile interception experiments and achieved great success

HQ-26 is irrelevant, no sea between India and China. HQ-19 and HQ-26 are old designs, like India's Phase 1 BMD, they can't stop our more modern IRBMs. Your BMD is not sufficient.

@Saaho's point is valid. China has 70% urbanization versus India's 35%. Any nuclear exchange between the two will not be equal.

And yes, you are afraid of death. At least Xi is. Mao didn't care about Chinese civilians, so tens of millions dying did not concern him in 1962. Deng is your real hero.

 

[Saaho]

HQ-26 is irrelevant, no sea between India and China. HQ-19 and HQ-26 are old designs, like India's Phase 1 BMD, they can't stop our more modern IRBMs. Your BMD is not sufficient.

@Saaho's point is valid. China has 70% urbanization versus India's 35%. Any nuclear exchange between the two will not be equal.

And yes, you are afraid of death. At least Xi is. Mao didn't care about Chinese civilians, so tens of millions dying did not concern him in 1962. Deng is your real hero.

You are talking too much sense to someone who is talking non-sense. Don't do that. Let him convince Xi to send PLA into Indo-Pak war and we will then persuade Modi to launch all nuke missiles. Given it will take quite a bit of time to travel to Pakistan en-masses, he should start .... yesterday!