Just like the American Military Industry Complex ..show the quality of desi weapons to the world in live war and world will automatically help you update the Indian defence exports numbers
Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed
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Here is how India must act against Pakistan
1. Kill Munir and destroy Army HQ and its network/bases across the country
2. Kill ISI chief and its HQ and other related establishments
3. Immobilize and/or destroy all of its medium/long range attack missile sites
4. Destroy its airfields and airplanes as well as defense anti-aircraft/missiles infrastructure
5. Destroy its communications/radars
6. Destroy its petroleum reserves and supplies, electricity grid, power generation stations, hydro dams
7. Destroy its Ordinance and military equipment factories
8. Activate Border/LOC
9. Support BLA, Afghan and Pashtun fighters and Sindh Liberation Force to achieve their goals
10. Install India-supporting government in POK; make them to cleanse POK of Pakistani Punjabi Army related migrants
11. Activate dis-information campaign 5G warfare
End result
1. Balochistan, Pashtuns and Sindh can declare their independent states without any resistance from Pakistan military forces
2. POK will walk into India's fold without any resistance on ground following Indian Constitution as part of Ladakh
3. Causalities on Indian side and its allies will be minimum
jai hind
1. Kill Munir and destroy Army HQ and its network/bases across the country
2. Kill ISI chief and its HQ and other related establishments
3. Immobilize and/or destroy all of its medium/long range attack missile sites
4. Destroy its airfields and airplanes as well as defense anti-aircraft/missiles infrastructure
5. Destroy its communications/radars
6. Destroy its petroleum reserves and supplies, electricity grid, power generation stations, hydro dams
7. Destroy its Ordinance and military equipment factories
8. Activate Border/LOC
9. Support BLA, Afghan and Pashtun fighters and Sindh Liberation Force to achieve their goals
10. Install India-supporting government in POK; make them to cleanse POK of Pakistani Punjabi Army related migrants
11. Activate dis-information campaign 5G warfare
End result
1. Balochistan, Pashtuns and Sindh can declare their independent states without any resistance from Pakistan military forces
2. POK will walk into India's fold without any resistance on ground following Indian Constitution as part of Ladakh
3. Causalities on Indian side and its allies will be minimum
jai hind
We are using it for VVIPs. It's our best helicopter today.
I'm referring to the stopgap 60, not 197 with production.
Akash is for defense of static sites, so that was never in question. But SPYDER and QRSAM are meant for the protection of mobile units.
QRSAM started in 2016 and DRDO promised to deliver the first unit from 2019 onwards. In the meantime, IA proposed they would take 3 SPYDER regiments out of the 8 necessary to plug operational gaps, while the remaining 5 would be QRSAM. Originally all 8 would have been SPYDER. We are in 2025 and not even 1 has been delivered. So the army now has to go to war with outdated protection with SAMs bought in the 80s.
Incorrect. ATHOS was rejected after negotiations were complete. It was found to be the best towed gun available. It still remains more advanced than even ATAGS. And it's also the cheapest gun of the lot, essentially half the cost of ATAGS, and came with 100% ToT.
Yesterday some terrorist leader killed
What could be the message....
M2000 as well. Neither Rafale nor M2000 are troubled by longer ranged missiles due to the tactics they employ. The French use Meteor against HVTs like AWACS, and MICA against fighters, hence the need for better low-altitude performance. M2000 can operate in the Rafale's sensor-shooter loop too.
As for MKI, we should simply accept as fact that some ERs have been bought and they never told us about it. We do not know how many ROCKS and Rampage we bought either. Almost all the emergency purchases for munitions we made after Galwan have been carried out with great secrecy. We don't know what else we bought. Maybe the Pakistanis will find out first.
It is said that we have supplied lots of ammunition to European countries during Russia Ukraine war. The good thing is that we have local companies which can maintain supply.
That is true but what Rafale or Tejas MK1 can offer is first see capability. First see and first shoot. All the Pakistanis and Chinese planes except J20 can be first seen by Rafale and meteor can be fired. Rafale can see J10, JF17 and F16 from much longer distance than these planes can see Rafale. Rafale has world's best EW and BVR. So argument ends there. You can shoot down enemy plane without collateral damage. In MKI, risk of collateral always remains. Even Tejas MK1 A can be proved batter in BVR combat with Astra Mk1 Combination. F16, JF 17 and J10 with RCS in range of 2 to 3 Sq meter can be seen by Tejas from 150 k,m. None of Pakistani plane can see Tejas from beyond 80 to 100 K.M. Distance. This gives Tejas an extra 50 to 70 k.m to shoot Astra Mk1. Tejas has a very good radar. In that case longer range missiles can be really useful to exploit the full capability of its potent radar.
Can somebody verify this.
its happening , Chenab water flow entering pakistan at marala has dropped by nearly half. Data from pakistan gov site.
15982 cusecs few days ago to 6529 today.
interestingly ravi river is still flowing, but also dropped.
no change for jhelum at 20,000 cusecs.
its happening , Chenab water flow entering pakistan at marala has dropped by nearly half. Data from pakistan gov site.
15982 cusecs few days ago to 6529 today.
interestingly ravi river is still flowing, but also dropped.
no change for jhelum at 20,000 cusecs.
And Bipin Rawat ji Died in this Chopper crash only.
Its local production was planned. However, it turned out to be too costly than outright purchase. Ultimately, after long discussion, plan to purchase was dropped in favor of Desi LUH.
Akash can definitely support moving convoy.
I told you what I heard from a top military general in talk with Nitin Gokhle. If I find the video, I will post it here.
Yes, if you do not have sufficiently long range missile, the full capability of Radar can not be exploited.
That would be over simplifying it. You're assuming that a Rafale/Tejas loaded with 6 BVRs and 2 EFTs to have 0.1m2 RCS?? No mate, in that configuaration both would be around 1.5m2 - 2m2. Secondly you're assuming that MKI or Chinese J-16 to have same RCS of Su-27, i.e , 10-12m2??
Let me tell you something and I've posted it in the MKI thread too. Russians way back in early 2000s reduced Su-27M's(MKI's forefather) RCS from 12m2(fully loaded with 12 BVRs) to just 4m2 using novel RAM paint. MKI of today uses RAM that is several times more effective than that Russian RAM. So with 6 BVRs, its RCS could be around 3m2(conservatively) or even far lower(optismistically). Plus MKI houses a monster of a radar named BARS. Chinese J-16 uses an AESA radar with around 1800 TRMs compared to 900/1000 TRM count of Rafale/Tejas. So a Chinese J-16 with say 6 PL-15s has a frontal RCS of 3m2 with that monster of a radar against Rafale/Tejas with 6 BVRs and puny air-to-air radar with 1000 TRMs. There is no way Rafale/Tejas will get first look or first shot. Either J-16 detects them first or both detect each other at the same time. For air dominance you need RCS that is several magnitude lower like -40dBsm of F-22 or -30dBsm of J-20 along with a monster AESA radar that has over 2000 TRMs. Until then, it's just a stalemate and would come down to tactics more than just tech. And in that area, IAF prevails over all.
So there is no way any of our fighter has any BVR advantage over Chinese jets. Whatever it's, it is because of Meteor. Remove Meteor and even J-10CE with PL-15E would force our Rafale with MICA-RF back.
Never underestimate your enemy. Treat them as equal or even better to devise such strategy to vanquish them. Our only saving grace is METEOR at the moment. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Of course, but for that we need to move our S-400s forward to push back their AEW&Cs. Erieye would get the track of even low flying M-2000 in their normal operating environment. However, the good thing is the new EW that we've put in M-2000. It's 'almost' as capable as Rafale, so extremely formidable. Hence it could play 'hide n seek' better with PAF jets than most of our other jets sans Rafale. However, I wouldn't send my M-2000 in an OCA or DCA against J-10CE armed with PL-15E. Remember that PL-15E has an AESA RF seeker so thanks to its innate ECCM, EW may not work on it. Only candidate to take on J-10CE + PL-15E combo has to be Rafale with Meteor. Without Meteor, it'll be the same dance of 2019 with AIM-120C5 & MKI replaced with PL-15E & Rafale respectively.
In the end of the day, these 36 Rafales with Meteor are our ONLY saving grace in air-to-air regime(against J-10 armed with PL-15).
Last time we're trying to integrate Derby with MKI, the Russians went batshit. So yes, we might have done it covertly, otherwise MKI again would have to dance against PL-15E. And PL-15E with dua-pulse motor and an AESA seeker would make escape much harder even using kinematics or EW.As for MKI, we should simply accept as fact that some ERs have been bought and they never told us about it. We do not know how many ROCKS and Rampage we bought either. Almost all the emergency purchases for munitions we made after Galwan have been carried out with great secrecy. We don't know what else we bought. Maybe the Pakistanis will find out first.
I hope IAF is fully cognant of this threat and plan accordingly.
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We are only obsessing about Planes and Radars and Air to Air Missiles
The real damage would be done by Missiles such as Brahmos and Pralay and Prithvis if still remaining in stocks
Without destroying Ground based Radars and SAMs , there is no point in sending Fighter planes
The real damage would be done by Missiles such as Brahmos and Pralay and Prithvis if still remaining in stocks
Without destroying Ground based Radars and SAMs , there is no point in sending Fighter planes
The Rafael X-Guard towed decoys we acquired for the Rafale (and reportedly planned for MKI UPG) are platform agnostic. Theoretically, they can be fitted to any combat ac type in the inventory with MIL 1553B databus. The IAF will take due precautions since the J-10C is an unknown animal. After all, Pak is the first export customer for the type.
I-Derby-ER doesn't bring anything new (compared to Astra MK1/MK2) to the table. If we're to spend money stockpiling Israeli weapons, better to spend it on the ones we don't have a suitable alternative of.
Important point is support for hunting down the terrorists?
With Astra2 on the anvil, it's indeed not needed. But Astra 2 hasn't hit its serial production yet(still in LSP mode, IIRC) and the war is now upon us. We've already integrated Derby with MKI covertly despite Russian objection, so integrating Derby ER fleet wise during emergency is not out of realms. Look at this old picture(pardon the poor quality):
Anyways, I wouldn't want to continue this topic as our enemies are reading this forum too(@safriz & his brethren). So no more from me on this topic, as @randomradio said let Pakistanis find it first hand
Russia issues advisory against visiting Pakistan for time being.
You can't ever exclude PAF and IAF out of any Indo-Pak war. Discussion about enemies' recent BVR that has got an AESA seeker and dual-pulse rocket motor is of great importance for us. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer
You can't ever exclude PAF and IAF out of any Indo-Pak war. Discussion about enemies recent BVR that has got an AESA seeker and dual-pulse rocket motor is of great importance for us. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer
I am not saying that we exclude IAF
I want a Tri service operation
But it should produce some good results
And for that we need Missile Salvos
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