Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed
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Based on the nature of India's *existing* infrastructure on the Western Rivers (Indus, Jhelum, Chenab), the percentage of water India could stop flowing into Pakistan *using only current projects* would be **relatively small**. Here's why:
* **IWT Constraints:** The Indus Waters Treaty specifically restricted India from building large storage dams on the Western Rivers. Most existing projects are "run-of-the-river" hydroelectric plants (like Baglihar, Salal, Uri, Dul Hasti) or have very limited storage capacity (pondage) designed primarily for power generation, not large-scale water retention or diversion for irrigation.
* **Run-of-the-River Design:** These projects use the river's natural flow and elevation drop. They can cause temporary fluctuations but are not designed to halt or store the majority of the river's volume.
* **Limited Storage:** While projects like Kishanganga involve some diversion and storage, and others have small reservoirs, their combined capacity is minor compared to the massive total annual flow of the Indus, Jhelum, and Chenab rivers.
* **Undeveloped Potential:** India has asserted that it has not fully utilized the water permitted under the IWT from the Western Rivers for irrigation and hydropower. Some projects are planned or underway (like Ratle, Pakal Dul, Shahpurkandi) that aim to utilize this permitted share more fully, but these are largely not yet fully operational or part of the *existing, completed* infrastructure in a way that could stop large volumes *today*.
**Conclusion:**
While India could potentially manipulate flows to maximize storage within the *limited capacity* of its existing dams on the Western Rivers (causing temporary reductions downstream), it **lacks the large-scale storage infrastructure** required to stop a significant percentage of the *total annual flow* of the Indus, Jhelum, and Chenab rivers.
Therefore, the approximate percentage of *total annual water* from the Western Rivers that India could realistically stop *purely with existing infrastructure* if the IWT were suspended is likely **very low**, probably in the low single digits at most, and certainly not a strategically crippling amount in terms of the overall annual volume reaching Pakistan. Building *new*, large storage dams would be necessary to significantly alter this capability, but that falls outside the scope of "existing infrastructure."
* **IWT Constraints:** The Indus Waters Treaty specifically restricted India from building large storage dams on the Western Rivers. Most existing projects are "run-of-the-river" hydroelectric plants (like Baglihar, Salal, Uri, Dul Hasti) or have very limited storage capacity (pondage) designed primarily for power generation, not large-scale water retention or diversion for irrigation.
* **Run-of-the-River Design:** These projects use the river's natural flow and elevation drop. They can cause temporary fluctuations but are not designed to halt or store the majority of the river's volume.
* **Limited Storage:** While projects like Kishanganga involve some diversion and storage, and others have small reservoirs, their combined capacity is minor compared to the massive total annual flow of the Indus, Jhelum, and Chenab rivers.
* **Undeveloped Potential:** India has asserted that it has not fully utilized the water permitted under the IWT from the Western Rivers for irrigation and hydropower. Some projects are planned or underway (like Ratle, Pakal Dul, Shahpurkandi) that aim to utilize this permitted share more fully, but these are largely not yet fully operational or part of the *existing, completed* infrastructure in a way that could stop large volumes *today*.
**Conclusion:**
While India could potentially manipulate flows to maximize storage within the *limited capacity* of its existing dams on the Western Rivers (causing temporary reductions downstream), it **lacks the large-scale storage infrastructure** required to stop a significant percentage of the *total annual flow* of the Indus, Jhelum, and Chenab rivers.
Therefore, the approximate percentage of *total annual water* from the Western Rivers that India could realistically stop *purely with existing infrastructure* if the IWT were suspended is likely **very low**, probably in the low single digits at most, and certainly not a strategically crippling amount in terms of the overall annual volume reaching Pakistan. Building *new*, large storage dams would be necessary to significantly alter this capability, but that falls outside the scope of "existing infrastructure."
I don't think suspension of indus treaty has any impact on pak & india. Those rivers they using are all originated in pok. Our action will give leverage for Chinese to do nonsense in Brahmaputra.
The following will explain how the SAARC visa exemption scheme suspension will have negligible impact as it was not being used by general pakistani awaam.
Again a lip service by mudi.
Okay, here is the list of the 24 categories of persons generally entitled under the SAARC Visa Exemption Scheme, based on official SAARC documentation found in previous searches:
**Group A: Dignitaries, Government Officials, participants of SAARC meetings and officials of the Secretariat and its Regional Centres**
1. Heads of State and Government, former Heads of State or Government, former Foreign Ministers, former Ministers of State for Foreign Affairs and former Foreign Secretaries.
2. All Central Government Ministers/Ministers of State/Advisers of equivalent rank, Deputy Ministers/Assistant Ministers in Member States.
3. Serving and retired Supreme Court Judges; serving Judges of the Provincial High Courts and Attorney(s) Generals.
4. Governors, Chief Ministers, Speakers and Deputy Speakers of Provinces/States.
5. Members of National Parliament, Secretaries-General/Secretaries of Lower and Upper Houses of Parliament.
6. All serving Heads/Secretaries of Federal/Central Governments.
7. Governors of the Central Banks.
8. Ambassadors/High Commissioners of SAARC countries accredited to the SAARC Member States.
9. Officers in the Ministries of Foreign/External Affairs in SAARC Divisions as well as those handling SAARC matters.
10. Current and former SAARC Secretary(s) General; Directors, Consultants/Professionals and GSS Category-I officials of the SAARC Secretariat.
11. SAARC Regional Centres personnel:
* (a) Governing Board Members
* (b) Directors
* (c) Professionals
* (d) Consultants
12. Vice-Chancellors of the Public Universities; Heads of National Academies and Institutions in the field of Art and Culture and National Museums including the Heads of National Academic Institutions.
13. Executive Heads of the National Planning Commission/ Organization.
14. Inspectors General of Police/Heads of the National Police Forces or the Officers so designated to attend the SAARC Conference on Police Matters.
15. Controllers or Heads of Department of Immigration and Emigration.
16. President, Vice President, Office bearers of SAARC Apex Bodies; and Heads of SAARC Recognized Bodies.
17. Chairperson, Managing Directors of National Airlines, Civil Aviation Authorities, National Tourism Organizations.
18. The Members of the SAARC Development Fund (SDF):
* (a) Governing Board
* (b) Officers and Staff
19. Participants to SAARC meetings, seminars, workshops, study tours, and all other approved SAARC activities (with validity as per requirement).
**Group B: General/public categories including businessmen, journalists, sportsmen, etc.**
20. Presidents of National Chambers of Commerce and Industry including Members of the Executive Committee of the National Federation of Chamber of Commerce and Industry.
21. Designated leading businessmen and industrialists from each Member Country (e.g., up to 200) recommended by the SAARC Chamber of Commerce and Industry.
22. Heads of National Sports Authorities and Federations; designated eminent sportspersons (e.g., up to 25) on recommendation by National Sports bodies.
23. Designated accredited journalists of required standing (e.g., up to 150), recommended by relevant Ministries.
24. Experts, Managers and others associated with agreed SAARC projects.
*Note: Eligibility for dependents (spouse, children under 18) varies by category, primarily applying to those in Group A.*
This list is based on the SAARC Chamber of Commerce documentation available [here](https://saarcchamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/List_of_categories_of_entitled_persons_under_the_saarc_visa_exemption_scheme.pdf).
Again a lip service by mudi.
Okay, here is the list of the 24 categories of persons generally entitled under the SAARC Visa Exemption Scheme, based on official SAARC documentation found in previous searches:
**Group A: Dignitaries, Government Officials, participants of SAARC meetings and officials of the Secretariat and its Regional Centres**
1. Heads of State and Government, former Heads of State or Government, former Foreign Ministers, former Ministers of State for Foreign Affairs and former Foreign Secretaries.
2. All Central Government Ministers/Ministers of State/Advisers of equivalent rank, Deputy Ministers/Assistant Ministers in Member States.
3. Serving and retired Supreme Court Judges; serving Judges of the Provincial High Courts and Attorney(s) Generals.
4. Governors, Chief Ministers, Speakers and Deputy Speakers of Provinces/States.
5. Members of National Parliament, Secretaries-General/Secretaries of Lower and Upper Houses of Parliament.
6. All serving Heads/Secretaries of Federal/Central Governments.
7. Governors of the Central Banks.
8. Ambassadors/High Commissioners of SAARC countries accredited to the SAARC Member States.
9. Officers in the Ministries of Foreign/External Affairs in SAARC Divisions as well as those handling SAARC matters.
10. Current and former SAARC Secretary(s) General; Directors, Consultants/Professionals and GSS Category-I officials of the SAARC Secretariat.
11. SAARC Regional Centres personnel:
* (a) Governing Board Members
* (b) Directors
* (c) Professionals
* (d) Consultants
12. Vice-Chancellors of the Public Universities; Heads of National Academies and Institutions in the field of Art and Culture and National Museums including the Heads of National Academic Institutions.
13. Executive Heads of the National Planning Commission/ Organization.
14. Inspectors General of Police/Heads of the National Police Forces or the Officers so designated to attend the SAARC Conference on Police Matters.
15. Controllers or Heads of Department of Immigration and Emigration.
16. President, Vice President, Office bearers of SAARC Apex Bodies; and Heads of SAARC Recognized Bodies.
17. Chairperson, Managing Directors of National Airlines, Civil Aviation Authorities, National Tourism Organizations.
18. The Members of the SAARC Development Fund (SDF):
* (a) Governing Board
* (b) Officers and Staff
19. Participants to SAARC meetings, seminars, workshops, study tours, and all other approved SAARC activities (with validity as per requirement).
**Group B: General/public categories including businessmen, journalists, sportsmen, etc.**
20. Presidents of National Chambers of Commerce and Industry including Members of the Executive Committee of the National Federation of Chamber of Commerce and Industry.
21. Designated leading businessmen and industrialists from each Member Country (e.g., up to 200) recommended by the SAARC Chamber of Commerce and Industry.
22. Heads of National Sports Authorities and Federations; designated eminent sportspersons (e.g., up to 25) on recommendation by National Sports bodies.
23. Designated accredited journalists of required standing (e.g., up to 150), recommended by relevant Ministries.
24. Experts, Managers and others associated with agreed SAARC projects.
*Note: Eligibility for dependents (spouse, children under 18) varies by category, primarily applying to those in Group A.*
This list is based on the SAARC Chamber of Commerce documentation available [here](https://saarcchamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/List_of_categories_of_entitled_persons_under_the_saarc_visa_exemption_scheme.pdf).
This suspension will cause damage to Pakistan if we keep this suspension on till atleast 2030 and start building dams and stuff like crazy.
India does not have enough capacity to store excess water, or any existing lines to divert the Pak rivers under IWT.
The impact of this move will be more psychological as the summer temps rise. Even a marginal reduction in the water flow will get Pak's attention.
PakJab is still largely agricultural. Water is a no go for them. This move will have them shouting from the roofs.
The impact of this move will be more psychological as the summer temps rise. Even a marginal reduction in the water flow will get Pak's attention.
PakJab is still largely agricultural. Water is a no go for them. This move will have them shouting from the roofs.
Looks like my prayers have been answered by GOI and how! The suspension of IWT is the overt declaration of our intent and purpose. Quite obviously now in the eyes of GOI, Hindu blood has spilled enough. Now it's the time to finish our enemy once and for all.
P O R K I E S, Get ready........
P O R K I E S, Get ready........
Now Build dams & water diversion like crazy baby 
Pakistanis have already said in the past that suspension or cancellation of IWT would be declaration of war. Now GOI just did that, por kies should send their F-16s & J-10CE right away and we'll be waitingNow Build dams & water diversion like crazy baby
PS: Those worrying about boots on ground don't know the exact might of our armed forces. We've enough firepower to pound them relentlessly from far away. Boots on ground would mean two things:
1. Retaking of POK along with GB.
2. Complete decapitation of this fake nation into several smaller parts, ruled under our security umbrella.
We don't need to reduce our diplmatic presence in Pakistan. Need to increase RAW and IB personnel there.
Its temporary suspension though..... It's basically kadi ninda bureaucracy style to pressurePakistanis have already said in the past that suspension or cancellation of IWT would be declaration of war. Now GOI just did that, por kies should send their F-16s & J-10CE right away and we'll be waiting
PS: Those worrying about boots on ground don't know the exact might of our armed forces. We've enough firepower to pound them relentlessly from far away. Boots on ground would mean two things:
1. Retaking of POK along with GB.
2. Complete decapitation of this fake nation into several smaller parts, ruled under our security umbrella.
-okistan to come to table.... Look like Indian establishment doesn't want mulla Munir to consolidate more power by giving him reasons like Indian military strikes to rally inbred -orki awam.
Keeping the IWT in abeyance means we don't consult either the Paxtanis or WB on any new project coming up on the ENTIRE Indus River System .
Those are first shots fired.
I'm hoping this isn't the end of it since neither the MEA nor Army HQ has announced the revocation of the Cease Fire else this could be the extent of our retaliation with the keeping in abeyance of the IWT as a dare to Fauji Foundation to take the first step since they've been shooting off their mouths non stop about how any changes to the IWT constitutes a red line drawing heavy retaliation from Paxtan.Pakistanis have already said in the past that suspension or cancellation of IWT would be declaration of war. Now GOI just did that, por kies should send their F-16s & J-10CE right away and we'll be waiting
PS: Those worrying about boots on ground don't know the exact might of our armed forces. We've enough firepower to pound them relentlessly from far away. Boots on ground would mean two things:
1. Retaking of POK along with GB.
2. Complete decapitation of this fake nation into several smaller parts, ruled under our security umbrella.
Add to this the storm brewing in Sind over the Green Pakistan Initiative where Fauji Foundation is planning corporate farming on lakhs of hectares in the Cholistan Desert by constructing 2 canals there - Greater & Smaller Cholistan Canal Project under which they propose to divert Indus waters meant for Sind & we're looking at water wars breaking out in Paxtan sooner rather than later.
Alhamdulillah !
Ukranians poked the Bear and paid for it dearly by losing vital parts of their country now by the looks of it, the pigs have poked the LION too much and should be ready for full consequences.Its temporary suspension though..... It's basically kadi ninda bureaucracy style to pressure
The terrotists gave a message to Modi, Modi ji has heeded it and now Tandav is going to start over Pak. Just wait n watch. Munir's plan is about to backfire and is going to take his country down with him.
End is just the beginning
That part of Kashmir is Mirpur - the population there is rabid and hostile even by average Pakistani standards.
The prize is GB as it gives opportunity to cutoff CPEC and join up with Afghanistan - alas too large an area to capture with our current strategic approach.
I expect some sort of rapid move to reduce water as much as possible to give them summer grief.
This is a political move - You poke my red line, I poke yours
I feel the idea at our end is to keep them guessing and buy time while we decide if we want to go kinetic.
Pak will NOT go for an overt war. They bored me to death with their rants on 370. Even called a midnight press conference !!
Then showed a ppt made with a 2008 vintage PowerPoint Clipart and went to bed. Say what you want I miss the old Jernails - they could be counted on to wage wars they couldnt win. This present crop only wages wars on the golf course grass and DHA plot allocations.
They are hoping the bogeyman of Modi will unite the country like it did to some extent in 2019.
Only thing I can feel is certain, Pak is going to face an existential water crisis this summer.
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