Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

You mentioned the missile wreckage. That reminded me of something. The Indians launched a 40N6 missile using the S400 system, but it was intercepted by a Chinese HQ9 missile. This must be the first recorded instance in human history where an anti-aircraft missile intercepted another anti-aircraft missile. This is the first time we have seen the real appearance of the 40N6 missile.
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A very simple question: Why didn't the Indians launch meteors?
Dear comrade I also asked you a simple question: can your HQ26 match American GMD instead you sent me an article written by a Chinese man on a
@LX1111 just answer one simple question why your air defense system failed?
Dear comrade also answer you kept boasting you can intercept Agni 5, do you still hold such thoughts? But don't worry though I am sure if your amazing HQ26 fails then maybe your J20 can fire a PL15 at an Agni 5 and it will stop it dead on its track!
 
So, why ceasefire? If we are dominating them, why give chance to them to fix their mistakes, loopholes?
We are good with any status, continue or stop. Why we stop... since Pakistan can be a proxy of China like Ukraine was a proxy of the USA. Pakistan is a rogue state with no future and zero thought about its people, whereas India is a democratic country. We need to see the share market and bring people outside of poverty, XYZ.
Modi and Trump also have a very good relationship. If Trump is talking with Modi and asking for something, Modi will take the same favor in future deals. Remember, Modi also knows the business very well.
We already hit them hard... though Pakistanis in the forum deny this. Pakistani people who have some wealth saw the devastation by Indian bombing. All is well. We could have done more in a few more days, but it's over now .
 
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We are good with any status, continue or stop. Why we stop... since Pakistan can be a proxy of China like Ukraine was a proxy of the USA? Pakistan is a rogue state with no future and zero thought about its people, whereas India is a democratic country. We need to see the share market and bring people outside of poverty, XYZ.
Modi and Trump also have a very good relationship. If Trump is talking with Modi and asking for something, Modi will take the same favor in future deals. Remember, Modi also knows the business very well.
We already hit them hard... though Pakistanis in the forum deny this. Pakistani people who have some wealth saw the devastation by Indian bombing. All is well. We could have done more in a few more days, but it's over now .
The truth is, the Pakistani leadership ie their Army knows they got pummeled hard and they also know 2016 and 2019 was nothing compared to the banging they got this time. They also know that any future attack on Indian civilians or Indian troops in a mass scale will see a response which will make even Operation Sindhoor look like a picnic. Hence, they will make an attempt to reign in and stop any mass attacks on Indian civilians and soldiers. But Pakistan will continue to infiltrate small teams of SSG and terrorists to kill our soldiers in small numbers. In the past few years we mourned such losses and went about as if nothing happened shortly afterwards. This must change now. Even if they kill 1 soldier, start shelling across IB and LoC as well. Make our snipers take 5 of their soldiers. We must make them bleed slowly for every transgression while we also make them die of thirst in the next few years.
 

I wanted to say more but this comes as a surprise.

"...Operations are still ongoing..."

My guess is, they remain in a heightened alert state and ISR assets are still at work to check for more possible ceasefire violations after India retaliated with drone strikes for last night's CFV.

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Anyway, just to get our thoughts in order as we begin the phase of analyzing how the air operations unfolded, I think one of the aspects that we need to pay particular attention to is the use of AESA-based seekers on the PL-15s, and how they must have affected the equation with SPECTRA's ability to jam/spoof incoming active-guidance threats.

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We know that evading AIM-120C-5s with regular pulse-doppler seekers was not a problem for our aircraft even back in 2019, thanks in part to externally carried jammers like EL/L-8222. The internally carried SPECTRA suite was meant to provide a similar capability to the Rafale - but the advent of AESA seekers make matters complicated, as I had previously predicted:


"...But even that will become difficult as missiles with 60+ TRM AESA seekers will become commonplace in the next decade. Unlike FCRs where the TRMs have to conduct multiple roles, an AAM seeker has only one job: maintain lock on the target no matter what. So they will be tailored with ECCMs of such frequency-agility that it becomes impossible to spoof them with a smaller transmitter with fewer TRMs (meaning less frequency-agility of your own, even if you somehow figure out their algorithm).

At that point, a lot of current-gen integrated SPJs (including Rafale's emitters) will become obsolete and aircraft that rely on them for self-protection will no longer be considered survivable as frontline fighters unless flying inside the bubble of a podded escort jammer. The key will be to evade detection entirely and obtain look-first/shoot-first so that the problem of dealing with these next-gen AAMs is for the enemy to figure out..."


Admittedly, at the time I was writing that, I had no idea that the PL-15 already had an AESA seeker. I thought the Chinese were yet to operationalize that technology. So I was off the mark on that part - they won't become a problem next decade, they've already become a problem NOW.

Now we need to see how this informs IAF decisions going forward. First, let's see what they disclose after winding up the operation.
 

I wanted to say more but this comes as a surprise.

"...Operations are still ongoing..."

My guess is, they remain in a heightened alert state and ISR assets are still at work to check for more possible ceasefire violations after India retaliated with drone strikes for last night's CFV.

====

Anyway, just to get our thoughts in order as we begin the phase of analyzing how the air operations unfolded, I think one of the aspects that we need to pay particular attention to is the use of AESA-based seekers on the PL-15s, and how they must have affected the equation with SPECTRA's ability to jam/spoof incoming active-guidance threats.

images


We know that evading AIM-120C-5s with regular pulse-doppler seekers was not a problem for our aircraft even back in 2019, thanks in part to externally carried jammers like EL/L-8222. The internally carried SPECTRA suite was meant to provide a similar capability to the Rafale - but the advent of AESA seekers make matters complicated, as I had previously predicted:


"...But even that will become difficult as missiles with 60+ TRM AESA seekers will become commonplace in the next decade. Unlike FCRs where the TRMs have to conduct multiple roles, an AAM seeker has only one job: maintain lock on the target no matter what. So they will be tailored with ECCMs of such frequency-agility that it becomes impossible to spoof them with a smaller transmitter with fewer TRMs (meaning less frequency-agility of your own, even if you somehow figure out their algorithm).

At that point, a lot of current-gen integrated SPJs (including Rafale's emitters) will become obsolete and aircraft that rely on them for self-protection will no longer be considered survivable as frontline fighters unless flying inside the bubble of a podded escort jammer. The key will be to evade detection entirely and obtain look-first/shoot-first so that the problem of dealing with these next-gen AAMs is for the enemy to figure out..."


Admittedly, at the time I was writing that, I had no idea that the PL-15 already had an AESA seeker. I thought the Chinese were yet to operationalize that technology. So I was off the mark on that part - they won't become a problem next decade, they've already become a problem NOW.

Now we need to see how this informs IAF decisions going forward. First, let's see what they disclose after winding up the operation.
We will have Astra mk2 with AESA seeker as well but big problem is range. With only 160 km range it is still outgunned by PL15. We need Gandiva with AESA seeker by 2030 desperately at least in LSP. Another issue is awacs. What's the possibility of Chinese ZDK Awacs guiding the PL15s they launched at us? If this possibility cannot be discounted we also need to expedite Netra Mk1a awacs as well so that it can guide our Astra mk2 and Gandiva in air to air combat while staying at a safe distance to evade enemy BVRM. Current Netra AWACS with 240 km tracking range is very vulnerable if Pakistan indeed has non export PL15s.
 
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We will have Astra mk2 with AESA seeker as well but big problem is range. With only 160 km range it is still outgunned by PL15. We need Gandiva with AESA seeker by 2030 desperately at least in LSP. Another issue is awacs. What's the possibility of Chinese ZDK Awacs guiding the PL15s they launched at us? If this possibility cannot be discounted we also need to expedite Netra Mk1a awacs as well so that it can guide our Astra mk2 and Gandiva in air to air combat while staying at a safe distance to evade enemy BVRM. Current Netra AWACS with 240 km tracking range is very vulnerable if Pakistan indeed has non export PL15s.

Yes - lack of sufficient numbers of AEW aircraft is another critical vulnerability of the IAF. The price of this will be very heavy to pay.

However, my post was especially addressed at the possible reasons why our Rafale may have failed to defend itself from incoming AAMs -- provided the downing is true -- and what we can do to fix this problem.

We may have to look at augmenting SPECTRA with an additional layer of offensive/defensive jamming capability - externally carried.

P.S. - This is, after all, the world's first combat engagement involving BVR missiles with AESA seekers. There'll be many lessons to draw from operators of all similar 4.5 gen fighters.
 
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We will have Astra mk2 with AESA seeker as well but big problem is range. With only 160 km range it is still outgunned by PL15. We need Gandiva with AESA seeker by 2030 desperately at least in LSP. Another issue is awacs. What's the possibility of Chinese ZDK Awacs guiding the PL15s they launched at us? If this possibility cannot be discounted we also need to expedite Netra Mk1a awacs as well so that it can guide our Astra mk2 and Gandiva in air to air combat while staying at a safe distance to evade enemy BVRM. Current Netra AWACS with 240 km tracking range is very vulnerable if Pakistan indeed has non export PL15s.
No it isn't.... Chinese PL 15 has 90 Mile Range but Chinese claim the domestic version has 124 Milie range... I say BS + claimed range & actual range of Astra Mk2 in all likely is miles apart 😜.....Chinese AWACS performance is sub par according to Porkee themselves..... Astra Mk2 & Gandiva is on a completely different league all together 🙂
 
Tbh wtr to AD if we mass induct our new Project Kusha and protect our main cities with AAD and PAD I think we can shoot down any Pakistani asset or missile or at least a good majority of them. Kusha and deployed AAD and PAD along with S400 and Barak 8, Akash and L70 is a very robust air defence capability. And also we need to induct Akash NG with 70 km range as well. As for air to air we need Super Sukhoi with 2400 TRM monster GaN AESA coupled with Astra Mk3. Astra Mk3 on Tejas Mk2 and Sukhoi MKI UPG will absolutely maul Pakistani 4th gen fighters and could probably confront J35 is it is roughly the same level as F15EX. But I don't think we can make MKI UPG deployed in mass numbers by 2030.
Kusha is good. But we need to increase the density of our AD. Also we need iron dome. The artillery strikes in poonch and loss of civilians needs to be an eyeopener. We need tech that can intercept 155mm artillery shells and PGM's. The Pakistanis get desperate and will shift at killing our civilians. We need to get David' sling and arrow 3 too from the Israelis. Indian AD needs to be made extremely extremely dense now. The Pakistanis will find new ways to enter and overwhelm our airspace. Also now I won't be surprised that there entire strategy becomes of infiltrating and sabotaging our military positions and assets from within. Need to start investing in our surveillance and SIGINT,HUMINT,ELINT capabilities too.
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No it isn't.... Chinese PL 15 has 90 Mile Range but Chinese claim the domestic version has 124 Milie range... I say BS + claimed range & actual range of Astra Mk2 in all likely is miles apart 😜.....Chinese AWACS performance is sub par according to Porkee themselves..... Astra Mk2 & Gandiva is on a completely different league all together 🙂
According to Bharat Karnad the erieyes have been datalinked with the j-10C's and jf-17.
 
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We will have Astra mk2 with AESA seeker as well but big problem is range. With only 160 km range it is still outgunned by PL15. We need Gandiva with AESA seeker by 2030 desperately at least in LSP. Another issue is awacs. What's the possibility of Chinese ZDK Awacs guiding the PL15s they launched at us? If this possibility cannot be discounted we also need to expedite Netra Mk1a awacs as well so that it can guide our Astra mk2 and Gandiva in air to air combat while staying at a safe distance to evade enemy BVRM. Current Netra AWACS with 240 km tracking range is very vulnerable if Pakistan indeed has non export PL15s.
Astra MK2 won't have any less operational range versus PL-15. Gandiva would be in a league of its own when it comes to range.

PS: IAF saying that OP still ongoing simply means that next time Pakistanis gather those terrorists for infiltration, they would be blown by BrahMos-A without any warning. IAF is now fully authorized for it.
 
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I wanted to say more but this comes as a surprise.

"...Operations are still ongoing..."

My guess is, they remain in a heightened alert state and ISR assets are still at work to check for more possible ceasefire violations after India retaliated with drone strikes for last night's CFV.

====

Anyway, just to get our thoughts in order as we begin the phase of analyzing how the air operations unfolded, I think one of the aspects that we need to pay particular attention to is the use of AESA-based seekers on the PL-15s, and how they must have affected the equation with SPECTRA's ability to jam/spoof incoming active-guidance threats.

images


We know that evading AIM-120C-5s with regular pulse-doppler seekers was not a problem for our aircraft even back in 2019, thanks in part to externally carried jammers like EL/L-8222. The internally carried SPECTRA suite was meant to provide a similar capability to the Rafale - but the advent of AESA seekers make matters complicated, as I had previously predicted:


"...But even that will become difficult as missiles with 60+ TRM AESA seekers will become commonplace in the next decade. Unlike FCRs where the TRMs have to conduct multiple roles, an AAM seeker has only one job: maintain lock on the target no matter what. So they will be tailored with ECCMs of such frequency-agility that it becomes impossible to spoof them with a smaller transmitter with fewer TRMs (meaning less frequency-agility of your own, even if you somehow figure out their algorithm).

At that point, a lot of current-gen integrated SPJs (including Rafale's emitters) will become obsolete and aircraft that rely on them for self-protection will no longer be considered survivable as frontline fighters unless flying inside the bubble of a podded escort jammer. The key will be to evade detection entirely and obtain look-first/shoot-first so that the problem of dealing with these next-gen AAMs is for the enemy to figure out..."


Admittedly, at the time I was writing that, I had no idea that the PL-15 already had an AESA seeker. I thought the Chinese were yet to operationalize that technology. So I was off the mark on that part - they won't become a problem next decade, they've already become a problem NOW.

Now we need to see how this informs IAF decisions going forward. First, let's see what they disclose after winding up the operation.
And when I said this(last para) way back in 2022, people here laughed me off as Optimist part 2 and much, lol.

But as always, I was 100% correct:

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I wanted to say more but this comes as a surprise.

"...Operations are still ongoing..."

My guess is, they remain in a heightened alert state and ISR assets are still at work to check for more possible ceasefire violations after India retaliated with drone strikes for last night's CFV.

====

Anyway, just to get our thoughts in order as we begin the phase of analyzing how the air operations unfolded, I think one of the aspects that we need to pay particular attention to is the use of AESA-based seekers on the PL-15s, and how they must have affected the equation with SPECTRA's ability to jam/spoof incoming active-guidance threats.

images


We know that evading AIM-120C-5s with regular pulse-doppler seekers was not a problem for our aircraft even back in 2019, thanks in part to externally carried jammers like EL/L-8222. The internally carried SPECTRA suite was meant to provide a similar capability to the Rafale - but the advent of AESA seekers make matters complicated, as I had previously predicted:


"...But even that will become difficult as missiles with 60+ TRM AESA seekers will become commonplace in the next decade. Unlike FCRs where the TRMs have to conduct multiple roles, an AAM seeker has only one job: maintain lock on the target no matter what. So they will be tailored with ECCMs of such frequency-agility that it becomes impossible to spoof them with a smaller transmitter with fewer TRMs (meaning less frequency-agility of your own, even if you somehow figure out their algorithm).

At that point, a lot of current-gen integrated SPJs (including Rafale's emitters) will become obsolete and aircraft that rely on them for self-protection will no longer be considered survivable as frontline fighters unless flying inside the bubble of a podded escort jammer. The key will be to evade detection entirely and obtain look-first/shoot-first so that the problem of dealing with these next-gen AAMs is for the enemy to figure out..."


Admittedly, at the time I was writing that, I had no idea that the PL-15 already had an AESA seeker. I thought the Chinese were yet to operationalize that technology. So I was off the mark on that part - they won't become a problem next decade, they've already become a problem NOW.

Now we need to see how this informs IAF decisions going forward. First, let's see what they disclose after winding up the operation.

Made in 2015.
 
Astra MK2 won't have any less operational range versus PL-15. Gandiva would be in a league of its own when it comes to range.

PS: IAF saying that OP still ongoing simply means that next time Pakistanis gather those terrorists for infiltration, they would be blown by BrahMos-A without any warning. IAF is now fully authorized for it.
I strongly think the bats have given them the real deal PL15 which does outgun our Astra Mk2. And its likely been datalinked with their AWACS for guidance.
 
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